Re: kde-baseapps split up

2016-11-07 Thread David Faure 
On lundi 7 novembre 2016 00:50:10 CET Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> I mean it's still an app people can use form the command line, but ok.

Yes, but for command line usage you can use `passwd` instead :-)

When did anyone ever use kdepasswd directly?

Changing one's password is a rather rare activity, which is already covered
for GUI users by user-manager, and for command-line users by `passwd`.
I don't see a valid enough use case for "running a GUI tool from the command 
line to change one's passwd" for the maintenance of kdepasswd to be worth it.

-- 
David Faure, fa...@kde.org, http://www.davidfaure.fr
Working on KDE Frameworks 5

Re: kde-baseapps split up

2016-11-06 Thread Albert Astals Cid 
El dilluns, 7 de novembre de 2016, a les 0:18:59 CET, David Faure va escriure:
> On lundi 7 novembre 2016 00:07:57 CET Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> > What happens with kdepasswd then?
> 
> Dead.
> 
> > We stop releasing it?
> 
> Yes.
> 
> > Where was this discussed?
> 
> plasma-devel, because I suggested moving it next to the useraccount KCM (the
> only user of kdepasswd), and the reply was "that KCM is dead, it's not even
> compiled in, user-manager replaced it".
> So kdepasswd is now completely unused.

I mean it's still an app people can use form the command line, but ok.

https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=sysadmin%2Frelease-tools.git=commit=7f0c50781f26b9dec2ba6fd6399d7dcc29df3168

Cheers,
  Albert

Re: Re: kde-baseapps split up

2016-11-06 Thread Andreas Sturmlechner 
On Monday, 7 November 2016 at 00:07, Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> What happens with kdepasswd then? We stop releasing it? Where was this 
> discussed?

*Some* discussion appears to have happened here: https://mail.kde.org/
pipermail/plasma-devel/2016-October/061215.html

If I understand it correctly, the last user of kdepasswd would have been a 
dead Plasma kcm.

Regards,
Andreas

Re: kde-baseapps split up

2016-11-06 Thread David Faure 
On lundi 7 novembre 2016 00:07:57 CET Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> What happens with kdepasswd then?

Dead.

> We stop releasing it? 

Yes.

> Where was this discussed?

plasma-devel, because I suggested moving it next to the useraccount KCM (the 
only user of kdepasswd), and the reply was "that KCM is dead, it's not even 
compiled in, user-manager replaced it".
So kdepasswd is now completely unused.

-- 
David Faure, fa...@kde.org, http://www.davidfaure.fr
Working on KDE Frameworks 5

Re: kde-baseapps split up

2016-11-06 Thread Albert Astals Cid 
El diumenge, 6 de novembre de 2016, a les 23:25:48 CET, David Faure va 
escriure:
> On dimanche 6 novembre 2016 22:47:18 CET Aleix Pol wrote:
> > On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 1:36 PM, David Faure  wrote:
> > > On dimanche 6 novembre 2016 12:42:10 CET Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> > >> El dissabte, 5 de novembre de 2016, a les 15:59:39 CET, David Faure va
> > >> 
> > >> escriure:
> > >> > I have split up kde-baseapps into four repos:
> > >> > 
> > >> > kdialog
> > >> > keditbookmarks
> > >> > kfind
> > >> > konqueror
> > >> 
> > >> But the kde-baseapps repo still has those contents too?
> > > 
> > > It's dead.
> > > 
> > >> Should the kde-baseapps repo be released at all?
> > > 
> > > No.
> > > 
> > >> Should we move it to unmaintained?
> > > 
> > > Well, technically all of its contents are still maintained, except for
> > > kdepasswd.
> > > unmaintained is for stuff that can be resurrected/picked-up,
> > > which makes no sense for soon-old
> > > kdialog|keditbookmarks|kfind|konqueror.
> > > 
> > > How was it done for kdepim?
> > 
> > Moving to unmaintained could work, I wouldn't remove it because git
> > history preservation.
> 
> OK, kdepimlibs was moved to unmaintained, with the same reasoning I suppose.
> I'll request that kde-baseapps has the same fate.

Please only after KDE Applications 16.08.3 this week.

Cheers,
  Albert

> 
> I certainly wasn't advocating removal, but you made me realize that moving
> to unmaintained is the only other option.

Re: kde-baseapps split up

2016-11-06 Thread Albert Astals Cid 
El diumenge, 6 de novembre de 2016, a les 13:36:07 CET, David Faure va 
escriure:
> On dimanche 6 novembre 2016 12:42:10 CET Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> > El dissabte, 5 de novembre de 2016, a les 15:59:39 CET, David Faure va
> > 
> > escriure:
> > > I have split up kde-baseapps into four repos:
> > > 
> > > kdialog
> > > keditbookmarks
> > > kfind
> > > konqueror
> > 
> > But the kde-baseapps repo still has those contents too?
> 
> It's dead.
> 
> > Should the kde-baseapps repo be released at all?
> 
> No.
> 
> > Should we move it to unmaintained?
> 
> Well, technically all of its contents are still maintained, except for
> kdepasswd.

What happens with kdepasswd then? We stop releasing it? Where was this 
discussed?

Cheers,
  Albert

Re: kde-baseapps split up

2016-11-06 Thread David Faure 
On dimanche 6 novembre 2016 22:47:18 CET Aleix Pol wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 1:36 PM, David Faure  wrote:
> > On dimanche 6 novembre 2016 12:42:10 CET Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> >> El dissabte, 5 de novembre de 2016, a les 15:59:39 CET, David Faure va
> >> 
> >> escriure:
> >> > I have split up kde-baseapps into four repos:
> >> > 
> >> > kdialog
> >> > keditbookmarks
> >> > kfind
> >> > konqueror
> >> 
> >> But the kde-baseapps repo still has those contents too?
> > 
> > It's dead.
> > 
> >> Should the kde-baseapps repo be released at all?
> > 
> > No.
> > 
> >> Should we move it to unmaintained?
> > 
> > Well, technically all of its contents are still maintained, except for
> > kdepasswd.
> > unmaintained is for stuff that can be resurrected/picked-up,
> > which makes no sense for soon-old kdialog|keditbookmarks|kfind|konqueror.
> > 
> > How was it done for kdepim?
> 
> Moving to unmaintained could work, I wouldn't remove it because git
> history preservation.

OK, kdepimlibs was moved to unmaintained, with the same reasoning I suppose.
I'll request that kde-baseapps has the same fate.

I certainly wasn't advocating removal, but you made me realize that moving to
unmaintained is the only other option.

-- 
David Faure, fa...@kde.org, http://www.davidfaure.fr
Working on KDE Frameworks 5

Re: kde-baseapps split up

2016-11-06 Thread Aleix Pol 
On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 1:36 PM, David Faure  wrote:
> On dimanche 6 novembre 2016 12:42:10 CET Albert Astals Cid wrote:
>> El dissabte, 5 de novembre de 2016, a les 15:59:39 CET, David Faure va
>>
>> escriure:
>> > I have split up kde-baseapps into four repos:
>> >
>> > kdialog
>> > keditbookmarks
>> > kfind
>> > konqueror
>>
>> But the kde-baseapps repo still has those contents too?
>
> It's dead.
>
>> Should the kde-baseapps repo be released at all?
>
> No.
>
>> Should we move it to unmaintained?
>
> Well, technically all of its contents are still maintained, except for
> kdepasswd.
> unmaintained is for stuff that can be resurrected/picked-up,
> which makes no sense for soon-old kdialog|keditbookmarks|kfind|konqueror.
>
> How was it done for kdepim?

Moving to unmaintained could work, I wouldn't remove it because git
history preservation.

Aleix

Re: kde-baseapps split up

2016-11-06 Thread David Faure 
On dimanche 6 novembre 2016 12:42:10 CET Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> El dissabte, 5 de novembre de 2016, a les 15:59:39 CET, David Faure va
> 
> escriure:
> > I have split up kde-baseapps into four repos:
> > 
> > kdialog
> > keditbookmarks
> > kfind
> > konqueror
> 
> But the kde-baseapps repo still has those contents too?

It's dead.

> Should the kde-baseapps repo be released at all? 

No.

> Should we move it to unmaintained?

Well, technically all of its contents are still maintained, except for 
kdepasswd.
unmaintained is for stuff that can be resurrected/picked-up,
which makes no sense for soon-old kdialog|keditbookmarks|kfind|konqueror.

How was it done for kdepim?

-- 
David Faure, fa...@kde.org, http://www.davidfaure.fr
Working on KDE Frameworks 5

Re: kde-baseapps split up

2016-11-06 Thread Albert Astals Cid 
El dissabte, 5 de novembre de 2016, a les 15:59:39 CET, David Faure va 
escriure:
> I have split up kde-baseapps into four repos:
> 
> kdialog
> keditbookmarks
> kfind
> konqueror

But the kde-baseapps repo still has those contents too?

Should the kde-baseapps repo be released at all? Should we move it to 
unmaintained?

> 
> Albert, can you include them in the next applications release?
> (I suppose you'll create the Applications/16.12 branch in all repos in one
> go?)

Yes, the branches will be created in the near future in all repos at the same 
time.

Cheers,
  Albert

> 
> 
> The status of these new repos is:
> 
> Done:
> - history cleaned up and pushed
> - file layout reorganized, it all builds (for me at least)
> - added to kde-build-metadata/logical-module-structure
> - added to kdesrc-build files
> 
> Planned:
> - Burkhard Lück will take care of the translations
> - I have asked the sysadmins for CI jobs
> 
> Anything I forgot?

Re: kde-baseapps split up

2016-11-05 Thread Burkhard Lück 
Am Samstag, 5. November 2016, 15:59:39 CET schrieb David Faure:
> I have split up kde-baseapps into four repos:
> 
> kdialog
> keditbookmarks
> kfind
> konqueror
> 
> Albert, can you include them in the next applications release?
> (I suppose you'll create the Applications/16.12 branch in all repos in one
> go?)
> 
> 
> The status of these new repos is:
> 
> Done:
> - history cleaned up and pushed
> - file layout reorganized, it all builds (for me at least)
> - added to kde-build-metadata/logical-module-structure
> - added to kdesrc-build files
> 
> Planned:
> - Burkhard Lück will take care of the translations

Done

-- 
Burkhard Lück