RLUIPA Unanimously Upheld in Cutter

2005-05-31 Thread Marty Lederman
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Re: RLUIPA Unanimously Upheld in Cutter

2005-05-31 Thread Marty Lederman
Justice Ginsburg wrote the opinion. There's a separate Thomas concurrence. More to follow. - Original Message - From: Marty Lederman To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 10:05 AM Subject: RLUIPA Unanimously Upheld in Cutter

Re: RLUIPA Unanimously Upheld in Cutter

2005-05-31 Thread RJLipkin
The funny thing about "compelling interest with deference" is that it has been present since at leastKorematsu. Bobby In a message dated 5/31/2005 11:21:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One might also note we now have another area of law (in addition to

Re: RLUIPA Unanimously Upheld in Cutter

2005-05-31 Thread Mark Graber
Agreed. But on my reading of Korematsu, Black seems to be saying "even though we decide for the government in this case, the vast/overwhelming majority of discriminations are likely to be declared unconstitutional." Is it a fair reading of Ginsburg to think that her opinion says, "even

Re: RLUIPA Unanimously Upheld in Cutter

2005-05-31 Thread Steven Jamar
As a bit of an aside, perhaps, the "compelling interest" standard of Korematsu, or as Bobby appropriately labeled it, "compelling interest with deference," is the standard we use rather than anything directly from Brown v. Board.  Brown v. Board changed the country and indeed the law, but it

Re: RLUIPA Unanimously Upheld in Cutter

2005-05-31 Thread Marty Lederman
Well, this has been the paradox in Free Exercise Clause law all along, hasn't it?: That the Court articulated a strict scrutiny test in Sherbert/Yoder, but never came anywhere close to applying such a test in the free-exercise context: The government virtually always won, by hook or by

Re: RLUIPA Unanimously Upheld in Cutter

2005-05-31 Thread Hamilton02
Actually, what is most striking is that the Court reads RLUIPA as requiring deference to prison officials despite the least restrictive means requirement. The latter does seem to be read out of the statute. Marci ___ To post, send message to

Re: RLUIPA Unanimously Upheld in Cutter

2005-05-31 Thread Steven Jamar
This very paradox -- and the problems of the limits of logic and language in the law -- was the main impetus for an article I wrote some years back about how RFRA could not be interpreted or applied in a literal way.  Instead, there is an inherent sliding scale of compellingness of the interest

Re: RLUIPA Unanimously Upheld in Cutter

2005-05-31 Thread Steven Jamar
Time for another AALS panel writing the obit for Lemon?  :)SteveOn May 31, 2005, at 12:12 PM, Stuart BUCK wrote:So has the Lemon test been interred, or not?  Compare footnote 6 of the majority ("We resolve this case on other grounds."), with Thomas's footnote 1 ("The Court properly declines to

Re: RLUIPA Unanimously Upheld in Cutter

2005-05-31 Thread RJLipkin
Indeed, I recall reading that Thurgood Marshall used the Korematsu test in oral argument, and I also seem to recall thatstrict scrutiny was used inMarshall's brief.If that's so, it's even more astounding that Chief Justice Warren did not include such an analysis in his opinion. I seem to

RE: RLUIPA Unanimously Upheld in Cutter

2005-05-31 Thread Douglas Laycock
I see no interment. They have ignored it before, and then returned to it when they thought it helpful. This opinion relies on Amos, and Amos marches through the Lemon test, so it may just be that they have more specific doctrine to work with on this issue. Douglas Laycock University of

Re: RLUIPA Unanimously Upheld in Cutter

2005-05-31 Thread Marty Lederman
My SCOTUSblog post on the decision. I welcome suggestions -- and encourage responses in the "Comments" section of theblog. http://www.scotusblog.com/movabletype/archives/2005/05/cutter_v_wilkin.html Cutter v. Wilkinson 11:54 AM | Marty Lederman | Comments (0) | TrackBack (0) In Cutter

RE: RLUIPA Unanimously Upheld in Cutter

2005-05-31 Thread Anthony Picarello
I agree that the true test on the meaning of strict scrutiny under RLUIPA or RFRA will come with the UDV case next term. But I'd add that I don't see a meaningful dilution of "strict scrutiny" in this decision. Instead, the Court just reaffirmedtwo unremarkable propositions: (1) that

Whither Lemon?

2005-05-31 Thread Marty Lederman
I think it's been clear for a long while that when the Court cites theLemon test, it's almost an afterthought -- a pro forma doctrinal appendage or a fig leaf. (This was especially true in Amos, I think.)That's why many folks who brief these cases to the Court -- Doug and I included --

Re: RLUIPA Unanimously Upheld in Cutter

2005-05-31 Thread Marty Lederman
I didn't intend to suggest anything otherwise -- I believe we're in agreement, and apologize for any confusion. Where we might disagree is on the question of whether "strict" scrutiny was ever all-that-strict in Free Exercise/RFRA/RLUIPA law. - Original Message - From:

RE: RLUIPA Unanimously Upheld in Cutter

2005-05-31 Thread Douglas Laycock
Well, yes and no, but mostly no. On its facts, Sherbert involved better treatment for a very narrow slice of secular interests than for Sherbert's religious interest. That fact was not noted in the Sherbert opinion, but it was the Court's basis for preserving the result in Smith.