Footnote 8 in Justice Ginsburgs
opinion suggests that the state has no obligation to pay for aninmates
devotional accessories. What does this sentence-which involved no issue
litigated in Cutter mean for the cost of chaplains (especially for minority faiths),for
religious diets, or for
My guesses:On Jun 1, 2005, at 9:30 AM, Marc Stern wrote: Footnote 8 in Justice Ginsburgs opinion suggests that the state has no obligation to pay for aninmates devotional accessories. What does this sentence-which involved no issue litigated in Cutter mean for the cost of chaplains (especially
I have had some experience with this issue in two locations which had
accepted a "reasonable accommodation" model [now probably "exceedingly
burdensome"]. I believe this was referring to special clothing,
devotional objects, and the like. This was [and maybe still is] a
major issue as to
Are you taking the position that RLUIPA places a burden on every prison to
accommodate every religious diet request? I don't see howRLUIPA
creates a requirement that the prison pay for any dietary request. There
are literally hundreds of diet variations amongthe many
religions. No prison
by individual lawmakers--apparently on a rotating and volunteer basis.
http://www.southbendtribune.com/stories/2005/06/01/local.20050601-sbt-LOCL-A1-ICLU_wants_Jesus_out.sto
Dan Conkle
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Daniel O. Conkle
Professor of Law
Indiana University School of Law
In response to Marci's query whethere there is some
limit on what prisons must do, of course there is. No one says the prisoners win every
case; that is herstraw man. Some diet claims are
insincere; some demand that the religious requirements be met in a different
way, although the prison
In addition to what Doug has written, I would
note that many prisons have a common fare diet which satisfies the dietary
restrictions of many faiths. That their might be some dietary claims that could
not be met-the legendary steak and sherry claims of the church of the new song
in the
My observation was not intended to raise a straw man and is quite
sincere.Where is the limit for the prisons under RLUIPA when it
comes to diet? Here's the problem -- in this day and age, a prison could
easily have a mix of Buddhists, Hindus, Orthodox Jews, Nation of Islam members,
and
lawmakers--apparently on a rotating and volunteer basis.
http://www.southbendtribune.com/stories/2005/06/01/local.20050601-sbt-LOCL-A1-ICLU_wants_Jesus_out.sto
Dan Conkle
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Daniel O. Conkle
Professor of Law
Indiana University School of
Law
Bloomington
I'm just curious if anyone in the ivory tower believes that an inmate's
dietary demands, based on religion, can ever be denied under RLUIPA? (And
set aside the games-playing CONS and their steak and sherry-- I am talking about
sincere religious believers making a variety of dietary
It may be a legal
question, but the answer is not necessarily to draw a line somewhere. The
problem has to be managed, and I suspect that standards and balancing tests,
rather than bright-line rules are likely to be the sum and substance of the
answer. You wouldnt say that a functionalist
But see Levitan v. Ashcroft,
281 F.3d 1313 (D.C. Cir. 2002) (finding
issue of material factin claim thatdenial of wine during communion
was substantial burden on
religion).
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In Cutter, the Court starts its analysis by flatly
stating that the Establishment Clause commands a
separation of Church and State.
Given the considerable effort in conservative legal
circles to discredit the separation doctrine,* how
notable do people think it is that Chief Justice
Rehnquist and
The separation myth rejected by many of us is a myth of strict
separationism, in which religion is to be banished from the public square
and religious persons and organizations denied equal treatment with regard
to otherwise available public benefits.
I doubt there is anyone on the list who does
Coyle, Dennis wrote:
If we read separation to forbid a national church, all justices would agree. If we read it to mean no discriminatory treatment in favor of a specific religious group, or no policies specifically designed to advance a particular denomination, the conservatives would still
Prof. Coyle writes that one answer is semantic:
conservatives read 'separation' more narrowly.
It is certainly true that some justices read
separation more narrowly than others. Indeed, even
in Everson, where the Court first embraced the idea
that the Establishment Clause requires a separation
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