Re: what does the right REALLY think of Roberts?

2005-07-25 Thread Rick Duncan
I am a libertarian/social conservative (I like the liberties that are expressed in the Constitution, the ones I have trouble with are the deadly ones the liberals on the Court have invented), and I think the Roberts nomination is a great choice. There is nothing wrong with a Catholic Republican Boy

RE: Is Roberts a "Strict Constructionist"?

2005-07-25 Thread Sanford Levinson
Title: Is Roberts a "Strict Constructionist"? Marty quotes a passage from Roberts's casenote accept the Blaisdell majority's description of the Contracts Clause as one of the Constitution's "general clauses, which afford a broad outline" and therefore require "construction . . . to fill in

Re: what does the right REALLY think of Roberts?

2005-07-25 Thread Steven Jamar
On Jul 25, 2005, at 6:07 PM, Gene Garman wrote: Words mean things or the Constitution is nothing more than a blank piece of paper. This is a faulty dilemma.  Of course words mean things.  But they are not so hard-edged and clear as to be incapable of multiple meanings and there are always things th

Is Roberts a "Strict Constructionist"?

2005-07-25 Thread marty . lederman
"Constitutional protections . . . should not depend merely on a strict construction that may allow 'technicalities of form to dictate consequences of substance.' As the Court remarked in the leading contract clause case of this century [Blasidell], 'where constitutional grants and limitations o

Re: research question

2005-07-25 Thread Gene Garman
Eckenrode's work is dated 1910 and is an invaluable resource as to documented opinions expressed on both sides of the Virginia debate relating to disestablishment of the state church in Virginia. The Writings of John Leland by L.F. Greene should also be read. Gene Garman, M.Div. America's Re

Re: what does the right REALLY think of Roberts?

2005-07-25 Thread Gene Garman
Words mean things or the Constitution is nothing more than a blank piece of paper. The wording of the religion commandments of the Constitution are very specific: 1. "No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States" (Art. 6.,

Re: research question

2005-07-25 Thread Paul Finkelman
Doug is right that Buckley is the best work of history on this subject Paul Finkelman Douglas Laycock wrote: Also Thomas Buckley, Church and State in Revolutionary Virginia 1776-1787 (1977).  Eckenrode is a much older book -- early twentieth century I think.   Douglas Laycock

RE: research question

2005-07-25 Thread Douglas Laycock
Also Thomas Buckley, Church and State in Revolutionary Virginia 1776-1787 (1977).  Eckenrode is a much older book -- early twentieth century I think.   Douglas Laycock University of Texas Law School 727 E. Dean Keeton St. Austin, TX  78705    512-232-1341 (phone)    512-471-6988 (fax)   F

Re: what does the right REALLY think of Roberts?

2005-07-25 Thread Steven Jamar
the original meaning of the copyright clause could not have included: movies records CDs videos webpages TV Radio etc. "Original meaning" is a something to understand, but one cannot be bound by it in a meaningful way. The world has changed. And the Constitution is a living one. This is not

Re: research question

2005-07-25 Thread Gene Garman
You will probably have to ILL it: Separation of Church and State in Virginia, H. J. Eckenrode. Gene Garman, M.Div. America's Real Religion www.americasrealreligion.org Pybas, Kevin M wrote: Before traipsing to the library I would appreciate hearing from list members what you regard as the

Re: John Lofton/"Personal Views"

2005-07-25 Thread Brad M Pardee
John Lofton wrote on 07/25/2005 03:36:28 PM: > One thing I'd like to hear you folks who know a lot more about > everything than I do discuss is this dismissal by many of "personal > views" as irrelevant. Does anybody think it would not matter, and be > relevant, if Roberts, or any such nominee,

Re: what does the right REALLY think of Roberts?

2005-07-25 Thread Samuel V
Well necessary criteria would be that the decision (1) is based on the language of the Constitution itself, and the original meaning of those words, (2) does not rely on some extra-Constitutional basis, such as modern social policy or foreign law, unless that policy or law is incorporated by the Co

Re: what does the right REALLY think of Roberts?

2005-07-25 Thread RJLipkin
In a message dated 7/25/2005 4:37:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (Since this is a religion list, what exactly does it mean to "enforce theConstitution as written" when it comes to the religion clauses?) A distinct but equally important question is thi

Re: what does the right REALLY think of Roberts?

2005-07-25 Thread Steve Sanders
Well, this "enforce the Constitution as written" vs. "judicial fiat" stuff isn't much help because it's little more than cable TV buzz phrasery. Many of C.J. Rehnquist's shallowly reasoned opinions can easily be labeled "judicial fiat," even though those who like the results he reaches probably

Re: John Lofton/"Personal Views"

2005-07-25 Thread Jlof
One thing I'd like to hear you folks who know a lot more about everything than I do discuss is this dismissal by many of "personal views" as irrelevant. Does anybody think it would not matter, and be relevant, if Roberts, or any such nominee, in his "private, personal" time, was active in a raci

RE: IRS clears Falwell

2005-07-25 Thread Brad M Pardee
Douglas Laycock wrote: > ... But when the pastor > simply says something, about an issue or a candidate, there is no > marginal cost in dollars and no possible way to run his speech through > the political affiliate.  The effect of an absolute ban on endorsements > is simply to censor the speech

RE: IRS clears Falwell

2005-07-25 Thread Douglas Laycock
Ed Brayton wrote: I've been on record as saying that the ban on endorsing candidates should just be done away with because A) it's so easy to get around (everyone knows that churches give de facto endorsements all the time through "voter information guides" and the like) and B) it's so prone to a

Re: what does the right REALLY think of Roberts?

2005-07-25 Thread Samuel V
Well, I guess I might be described as a social and religious conservative, despite some maverick views on a thing or two. Anyway, I think you'll find that social and religious conservatives really don't care about whether Roberts is a social or religious conservative. Instead, they're looking for

John Lofton/Re: what does the right REALLY think of Roberts?

2005-07-25 Thread Jlof
To try and understand what conservatives who are Christians FIRST think about John Roberts, you might want to visit, please, Peroutka2004.com, click on the first story and listen to our radio show on this subject. Thanks. And God bless you all. John Lofton, co-host "The American View," syndicate

what does the right REALLY think of Roberts?

2005-07-25 Thread Steve Sanders
Despite the rally-the-troops messages on websites like the ACLJ and Concerned Women for America, no one can seriously believe John Roberts makes the hearts of religious conservatives beat faster. Social conservative groups are falling into line behind Bush and going through the motions of the b

research question

2005-07-25 Thread Pybas, Kevin M
Before traipsing to the library I would appreciate hearing from list members what you regard as the best sources on the Virginia religious controversy of the 1780s, i.e., on Patrick Henry's A Bill Establishing a Provision for Teachers of the Christian Religion, Madison's Memorial and Remonstranc

Re: IRS clears Falwell

2005-07-25 Thread Ed Brayton
Ed Darrell wrote: Interesting decision. Does anyone have access to the IRS rulings in these cases so we can see the totality of what it says? I wonder if the result differs when the speaker is preaching a sermon rather than simply being an "invited speaker," or when the speaker is the pasto

RE: IRS clears Falwell

2005-07-25 Thread Joel
Sorry.  Comment went to the wrong list.   Joel L. Sogol Attorney at Law 811 21st Ave. Tuscaloosa, Alabama  35401 ph: 205-345-0966 fx:  205-345-0971 email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]     Ben Franklin observed that truth wins a fair fight -- which is why we have evidence rules in U.S. co

RE: IRS clears Falwell

2005-07-25 Thread Brad M Pardee
In regard to the story about the IRS and Jerry Falwell, Joel Sogol wrote: > News of the weird is always welcome here. Just out of curiousity, what makes this fall under the heading of "News of the weird"? Brad___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@l

Re: IRS clears Falwell

2005-07-25 Thread Ed Darrell
Interesting decision.  Does anyone have access to the IRS rulings in these cases so we can see the totality of what it says?   I wonder if the result differs when the speaker is preaching a sermon rather than simply being an "invited speaker," or when the speaker is the pastor of her own congregati

Re: Assaults on the England language

2005-07-25 Thread Gene Garman
The First Congress adopted the wording of the First Amendment which prohibited Congress from establishing religion by law. The states approved that wording because they wanted to make sure the national government had no power in respect to religion. By the very wording of the First Amendment, l

RE: IRS clears Falwell

2005-07-25 Thread Joel Sogol
News of the weird is always welcome here.   J   Joel L. Sogol Attorney at Law 811 21st Avenue Tuscaloosa, Alabama 35401 ph (205) 345-0966 fx (205) 345-0971 [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Ben Franklin observed that truth wins a fair fight -- which is why we have evidence rules in U.S. co

IRS clears Falwell

2005-07-25 Thread Bdaleva
Perhaps you'd be interested in this news story: "The Internal Revenue Service has ruled that the Rev. Jerry Falwell violated no regulations by mentioning his support for the re-election of President George W. Bush in a Texas speech last yearThe Federal Elections Commission dismissed a si

Re: Assaults on the England language

2005-07-25 Thread JMHACLJ
In a message dated 7/25/2005 2:12:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The First Congress separated religion and government by prohibiting Congress from establishing religion by law. But of course the First Congress did not do this.  They proposed to the States tha

Re: Where's the passion in the opposition to Roberts?

2005-07-25 Thread JMHACLJ
In a message dated 7/25/2005 12:53:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does any liberal seriously think this president, with a solid Republican Senate majority, would appoint anyone we could expect more from?  We Democrats and liberals should save the all-out atta