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From: "Richard Foltin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 4:26 PM
Subject: New Orleans legal system
Tangentially apropos of the interesting but assuredly academic discussion
of
Governor Blanco's call for prayer, here is an e-mail I recei
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Folks: I'm willing to cut people slack in
times of obvious and understandable emotional upset, but it's still
important to note that posts such as those below, though forgivable under
the circumstances, are quite inappropriate. You may have whatever
views you want of fel
Were there penalties in the past, they would have pre-dated the Establishment Clause, and so would not be relevant to EC litigation. Washington's actions are noteworthy, perhaps: Congress sent him (non-binding) resolutions calling for days of prayer or fasting; Washington carefully edited out ref
I don't spend a lot of time worrying about the exact words government
officials use to respond to catastrophes, but Art makes a very legitimate
point here. It's not hard to come up with language that is inclusive.
When we face disasters as a people, and feel the need to speak as a
people, an
What the Establishment Clause in the abstract
means is one thing; whether as a practical matter any body would or should
enforce the maximum possible reading of the clause is something again. I have
often urged on the Jewish community some exercise of judgment over what issues
result in law
I'm not sure there is anything the governor
could have done in the time it took to issue a call to prayer that wasn't
already being done. And in time of crisis, like 9/11 or Hurricane
Katrina or anything else of such a devastating magnitude, there are many
of us who find a call to prayer as recog
Frances Paterson wrote on 09/01/2005 12:48:08 PM:
> Well, I know now what I always suspected. If I cried out to
Jim
> Henderson for succor, he might well help me but one part of his mind
> would be thinking or at least considering if he could use my
> suffering to advance his agenda.
I'm not
One might think that instead of spending time issuing calls for prayer, the
governor would focus on more down-to-earth matters. The call for prayers
also of course raises a different practial question. When I moved to Oklahoma
the state was in the middle of huge drought, with no rain for month
In a message dated 9/1/05 1:48:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well, I know now what I always suspected. If I cried out to Jim Henderson for succor, he might well help me but one part of his mind would be thinking or at least considering if he could use my suffering to advance his agenda. Fran
In Frances Paterson's defense, while this may be the place for the
"noting" that Henderson did, considerations of appropriate time are also
relevant. And just now, when we don't even know how many people have
died, haven't recovered their bodies, haven't even necessarily rescued all
the trapped,
I'm with Frances, in terms of the Establishment Clause
issue that Jim has raised.
In terms of the issue, this to me is just like the latitude
that Bill Marshall has argued should be granted regarding post-9/11 religious
observances.
To quote Bill's article, "The Limits of Secularism: Public
In a message dated 9/1/2005 9:58:58 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This week, as Katrina has worn away at the levee walls in New Orleans, we
have the news that another assault on the wall of separation took place
yesterday, when Louisiana's Governor declared a Day
In a message dated 9/1/05 1:31:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Nor do I think Jim's post was cruelly indifferent to the very real grief and suffering taking place in the Gulf Coast region. Jim noted his horror as the situation turned from the "terrible to the unimaginable."
I'll come to Jim's
defense. I don't think it is inappropriate to note on a religion law list
that the Governor of Louisiana has declared a day of prayer, and that some
people have advocated that such pronouncements violate the EC clause, or that
such a pronouncement if given over a school's
Jim Henderson, you are beyond disgusting. People are dying. They were gasping out their last breaths or cradling a loved one--a child, a mother or father--in distress as you wrote your post. Save your idelogical arguments for another time. I'm sorry, Eugene, but this is too much so don't bother to
The wall is the central metaphor defining the meaning and work of the
Establishment Clause for many commentators including on this list. When
the government "gets away" with some emblematic behavior tinged with religious
connotations, the hue and cry of breach is predictable.
We are all wa
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