RE: Federal RFRA in Davis-Like Situation?

2015-09-16 Thread Doug Laycock
There is a circuit split on that, and the cases holding RFRA inapplicable are clearly wrong. They read “relief against a government” to mean “only against a government,” but the word only does not appear. The drafting history is clear that it means “including against a government;” unfortunatel

Re: Federal RFRA in Davis-Like Situation?

2015-09-16 Thread Marc Stern
But the court decisions refusing to recognize RFRA claims in suits between private parties even where the suit arises under federal statute point the other way-although by analogy to Shelly and NY TImes v Sullivan,a court decision is no less action of government than an enforcement action by a

RE: Federal RFRA in Davis-Like Situation?

2015-09-16 Thread Doug Laycock
I do not think RFRA is off the table, for the reasons you point out. But apart from compelling interest, it is also clear that a statute cannot prevent enforcement of the Constitution, and that a statute that tries to do so is unconstitutional as applied. So it would be essential to devise a RFR

Federal RFRA in Davis-Like Situation?

2015-09-16 Thread Conkle, Daniel O.
I have a conceptual question that I’ve been trying to get my mind around. Could the *federal* RFRA be invoked by someone like Kim Davis (whether or not the state has its own RFRA), arguing that a federal court order—that is, an order that is designed to enforce the 14th Amendment—is action of th

Re: Assessing a Proposed Solution to the KY Case

2015-09-16 Thread Steven Jamar
I didn’t think the complicity argument was plausible until Hobby Lobby said otherwise. > On Sep 16, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Michael Masinter > wrote: > > What plausible reading of religious freedom empowers Ms. Davis to prohibit > her deputies from issuing marriage licenses because of her religious

RE: Assessing a Proposed Solution to the KY Case

2015-09-16 Thread Michael Masinter
What plausible reading of religious freedom empowers Ms. Davis to prohibit her deputies from issuing marriage licenses because of her religious objections to same sex marriage? I am genuinely astonished by the persistent claim that, in the name of religious freedom, we should compel license app

RE: Assessing a Proposed Solution to the KY Case

2015-09-16 Thread Doug Laycock
I don't think anyone understands the clerk's office to be remotely like a judge's office. The judge exercises an expert judgment for which only another judge can be substituted. Even if his staff occasionally signs her name, no one thinks her staff can legitimately decide cases. Issuing marriage l

Re: Assessing a Proposed Solution to the KY Case

2015-09-16 Thread Will Esser
To Kevin's point, a somewhat similar accommodation is playing out in North Carolina.  As readers of this list will recall, North Carolina passed legislation which allows magistrates to opt out of performing any marriages, provided that each county was required to continue to make secular marriag

Re: Assessing a Proposed Solution to the KY Case

2015-09-16 Thread Marty Lederman
I believe this entire discussion has been overtaken by events, hasn't it? Mason is issuing licenses in a form that (apparently) Davis does not object to. That should be the end of the matter (and should have been the beginning, too), at least unless and until any couple receiving such a license co

RE: Assessing a Proposed Solution to the KY Case

2015-09-16 Thread Walsh, Kevin
I agree that only the office holder gets an exemption, not a unit of government. My argument is premised on the office holder getting an exemption, and so is Davis's. Once an office holder is recused, the question becomes who carries out the duties instead. That turns on who has legal authorit