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> Eugene
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> Subject: RE: German circumcision
New York Times symposium:
http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/07/10/an-age-of-consent-for-circumcision
Lord Sacks (Chief Rabbi of the UK):
http://www.chiefrabbi.org/2012/07/06/the-jerusalem-post-the-europeans-skewed-view-of-circumcision/
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e to Paul Finkelman’s post – especially
>>> give the longstanding tradition of allowing not just parental decisions
>>> about surgery for children but also parental decisions about beating
>>> children, a tradition that I do not think ought to be given much legal
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ich I think is intriguing and might be correct, is
>> to have such decisions be made by legislatures directly, rather than by
>> judges interpreting general human rights norms. I’d love to hear more
>> thoughts on this institutional question.
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think our system has adopted the mere
> tolerance philosophy, and in fact adopted an entirely different philosophy
> of rights during the Founding era. For evidence one need look only as far
> as the Declaration of Independence.
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> > Eric
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> judges interpreting general human rights norms. I’d love to hear more
> thoughts on this institutional question.
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Subject: RE: German circumcision decision
Sorry for the delay responding – I was traveling M
July 02, 2012 10:58 AM
To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
Subject: Re: German circumcision decision
But isn't saying that you would accept the argument that refusing medical
treatment because it might do more harm than good the same as saying the
medical treatment might
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> Eric
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eclaration of
Independence.
Eric
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On Behalf Of Volokh, Eugene [vol...@law.ucla.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2012 4:24 PM
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Subject: RE: German circumcision decisi
Monday, July 02, 2012 10:58 AM
To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
Subject: Re: German circumcision decision
But isn't saying that you would accept the argument that refusing medical
treatment because it might do more harm than good the same as saying the
medical treatment might not
ious reasons (or other nonmedical reasons).
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From: Finkelman, Paul
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Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 12:43 PM
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Subject: RE: German circumcision decision
there is mixed evidence on circumcision. Some suggesting it helps prevent
cervical cancer in fe
o:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Vance R. Koven
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 9:38 AM
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Subject: Re: German circumcision decision
Isn't there still a substantial body of medical opinion--perhaps not as
prevalent as in decades past
:21 AM
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Subject: Re: German circumcision decision
Actually, I don't think Paul's comment is a "one-liner" -- the fact that this
decision comes from Germany is surely the most striking and disconcerting --
and important -- thing about
This just pushed one of my buttons. My parents apparently thought "let them choose when they grow up" was a sensible way to deal with the issues of a "mixed marriage". (He was an insufferable "cultural" Jew, she a theologically illiterate Protestant.) What really happened on the planet Earth was
ct: RE: German circumcision decision
Any chance we could have some helpful analysis of the decision,
rather than one-liners? The question of the degree to which parents should be
able to permanently alter their children's bodies - for religious reasons or
otherwise - is
nd circumspection by the State.
Eric Treene
(in my personal capacity, of course)
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Subject: Re: German circumcision decision
I'm
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Sent: Sun Jul 01 11:30:02 2012
Subject: Re: German circumcision decision
I posted this before I had a chance to read the decision, which I now see is
about a Muslim case; that undermines
unite.
Sandy
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Sent: Sun Jul 01 11:21:28 2012
Subject: Re: German circumcision decision
Are they also banning parents from piercing the ears of children? In many
cultures it
Article 4 of the German constitution (go here: <
https://www.btg-bestellservice.de/pdf/80201000.pdf>) protects not only
freedom of conscience, but the equivalent of free exercise ("the
undisturbed practice of religion"). The court dealt with this in fairly
summary fashion: "The parents' fundamental
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Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 2:31 PM
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Subject: RE: German circumcision decision
I agree with almost of all of Marty's thoughtful post --
I agree with almost of all of Marty's thoughtful post -- except that I do not
see this as a difficult case. When an attempt was made to place this issue on
the ballot in San Francisco, some people argued medical and health concerns
(although as Marty and Paul point out, the evidence here is inde
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To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
Subject: RE: German circumcision decision
Any chance we could have some helpful analysis of the decision,
rather than one-liners? The question of the degree to which parents should be
able to permanently alter their childr
or Law Academics
Subject: Re: German circumcision decision
Isn't there still a substantial body of medical opinion--perhaps not as
prevalent as in decades past--that recommends circumcision as a preventive
health measure? If the issue is the lack of consent from the subject of the
operation, t
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From: Paul Finkelman
To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2012 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: German circumcision decision
Are they also banning parents from piercing the ears of children? In many
cultures it is common to see infant girls with pierced ears.
Actually, I don't think Paul's comment is a "one-liner" -- the fact that
this decision comes from Germany is surely the most striking and
disconcerting -- and important -- thing about it.
As far as "analysis" is concerned, well, how could there be a "correct"
answer? I think we can all agree that
uot;Volokh, Eugene"
To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2012 11:56 AM
Subject: RE: German circumcision decision
Any chance we could have some helpful analysis of the decision,
rather than one-liners? The question of the degree to whic
Any chance we could have some helpful analysis of the decision,
rather than one-liners? The question of the degree to which parents should be
able to permanently alter their children's bodies - for religious reasons or
otherwise - is not, it seems to me, one that has a completel
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From: Eric Rassbach
To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2012 11:09 AM
Subject: German circumci
100% correct.
On Jul 1, 2012, at 11:09 AM, Eric Rassbach wrote:
>
> I'd be interested to know what the list thinks about the reasoning of the
> recent decision by a state appeals court in Cologne holding that performing a
> circumcision constituted the crime of bodily harm (similar to battery)
I'd be interested to know what the list thinks about the reasoning of the
recent decision by a state appeals court in Cologne holding that performing a
circumcision constituted the crime of bodily harm (similar to battery). You can
find a decent translation of the decision here:
http://adam1co
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