RE: Michigan Muslim decision

2004-10-12 Thread marc stern
Douglas Laycock Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 9:51 AM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: Michigan Muslim decision   The old ordinance apparently prohibited "any excessive, unnecessary or unusually loud noise, or any noise which either annoys or disturbs.&q

Re: Michigan Muslim decision

2004-05-14 Thread Steven Jamar
let's use technology to solve the problem - have pagers go off instead of church bells and shouted calls to prayer. :) Steve On Friday, May 14, 2004, at 10:51 AM, Douglas Laycock wrote: The old ordinance apparently prohibited "any excessive, unnecessary or unusually loud noise, or any

RE: Michigan Muslim decision

2004-05-14 Thread lweinberg
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Derek Gaubatz Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 11:16 AM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: Michigan Muslim decision Sounds like the slippery slope consequences you imagine would simply result in more speech.  Hardly troubling

RE: Michigan Muslim decision

2004-05-14 Thread lweinberg
CTED] Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 12:23 AM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: Michigan Muslim decision Thanks.  But suppose the permission to the muezzins was indeed an exemption from the noise ordinance, and suppose some  mean old atheists, out of sheer spitefulness, in retal

Re: Michigan Muslim decision

2004-05-14 Thread Roman Storzer
ECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Fri May 14 12:19:04 2004 Subject: RE: Michigan Muslim decision Quality of life-whatever the phrase means- is an interest of the h

RE: Michigan Muslim decision

2004-05-14 Thread AJCONGRESS
: Re: Michigan Muslim decision   Many cities have decibel limit ordinances, and that would seem to be the most neutral approach.  Having said that, I do think that quality of life especially in a residential neighborhood is a compelling interest (and I say this completely distinct from any RLUIPA

Re: Michigan Muslim decision

2004-05-14 Thread David E. Guinn
: Friday, May 14, 2004 11:16 AMTo: Law & Religion issues for Law AcademicsSubject: RE: Michigan Muslim decision Sounds like the slippery slope consequences you imagine would simply result in more speech.  Hardly troubling, unless one has something to fear from hearing diffe

Re: Michigan Muslim decision

2004-05-14 Thread Hamilton02
Many cities have decibel limit ordinances, and that would seem to be the most neutral approach.  Having said that, I do think that quality of life especially in a residential neighborhood is a compelling interest (and I say this completely distinct from any RLUIPA issue).  The difficulty is in find

RE: Michigan Muslim decision

2004-05-14 Thread Eastman, John
versity School of Law Director, The Claremont Institute Center for Constitutional Jurisprudence -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Leigh Armstrong Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 8:15 AM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re:

RE: Michigan Muslim decision

2004-05-14 Thread Menard, Richard H.
EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Derek GaubatzSent: Friday, May 14, 2004 11:16 AMTo: Law & Religion issues for Law AcademicsSubject: RE: Michigan Muslim decision Sounds like the slippery slope consequences you imagine would simply result in more speech

RE: Michigan Muslim decision

2004-05-14 Thread Derek Gaubatz
., Suite 605 Washington D.C. 20036 202 955-0095 phone 202 955-0090 fax From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 12:23 AMTo: Law & Religion issues for Law AcademicsSubject: Re: Michigan Muslim decision Thanks.  But suppose

Re: Michigan Muslim decision

2004-05-14 Thread Alan Leigh Armstrong
How about an ordnance that prohibited noise above 65 dba (or any other number) at the property line? Generally applicable and can be measured irrespective of content. I think Glendora CA had a similar ordnance. Alan Law Office of Alan Leigh Armstrong Serving the Family & Small Business Since 198

Re: Michigan Muslim decision

2004-05-14 Thread Douglas Laycock
The old ordinance apparently prohibited "any excessive, unnecessary or unusually loud noise, or any noise which either annoys or disturbs."   Easy to see why the imam thought he wasn't violating that, and why sensitive neighbors thought he was.  This is hardly a neutral ordinance; it is re

Re: Michigan Muslim decision

2004-05-14 Thread lweinberg
Thanks.  But suppose the permission to the muezzins was indeed an exemption from the noise ordinance, and suppose some  mean old atheists, out of sheer spitefulness, in retaliation for the loss of peace and quiet, insisted on an exemption from the noise ordinance for chanted calls to reason, enlig

Re: Michigan Muslim decision

2004-05-13 Thread ArtSpitzer
The ACLU of Michigan put out the following press release on April 30: Press Statement Regarding "Call to Prayer" in Hamtramck Kary Moss, Executive Director April 30, 2004 In the past week, the ACLU of Michigan has received hundreds of call and emails from around the country from people asking ou

Re: Michigan Muslim decision

2004-05-13 Thread Douglas Laycock
This is private speech; failure to regulate is not establishment. The imam at least claims this is not even an exemption from some noise ordinance or the like; the loudspeaker was already legal and the amendment is clarifying. If he is wrong about that and it is an exemption, of cours

Re: Michigan Muslim decision

2004-05-13 Thread lweinberg
I find the below message somewhat disturbing.  The thought of having amplified Muezzins five times a day calling to prayers in my own residential community is disturbing. My neighbors and I would be forced repeatedly to talk over or stop our ears against intrusive chanted messages from a faith we