A very interesting discussion.
The Bible, the Old Testament, is largely law, and interpreting it certainly hones our legal skills, so I would argue that this discussion is not off topic.
I observe that the Ten Commandments are mostly phrased in the negative, "Thou shalt not . . ." I woul
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From: Paul Finkelman
Date: 09/02/06 22:41:02
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Mr. Prescott clearly does not understand what polygamy is. It is not
about "she turns 40 trade her in..." That is in fact the modern
American world of what we
Prior to the post by the distinguished list custodian, I had noted yesterday that since the discussion was drifting off topic, it was probably time to move from Biblical interpretation back to law. However, based upon the tone of Professor Finklemans post, I feel compelled to respond. I do know
Mr. Prescott clearly does not understand what polygamy is. It is not
about "she turns 40 trade her in..." That is in fact the modern
American world of what we might call "serial polygamy" (and "serial
polyandry") where people marry, divorce, remarry, divorce, etc. There
was an article some years
I sure wish Moses hadn't dropped that third tablet! I'm sure it was there.Authority: Mel Brooks' History of the WorldOn Sep 1, 2006, at 8:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If mere action without divine condemnation does not count as God's approval, then what does? There is nothing circular
On Sep 1, 2006, at 8:47 PM, Stephen R. Prescott, Esq. wrote:Biblical law of course allows polygamy. I have two objections. Professor Finkleman’s statement quoted (cut and pasted, my typing is not good enough for me to type quotes) is at best, an overstatement. There simply is no Biblical law that s
Ed Brayton wrote:
I don't think it's true to say we can be absolutely certain that God does anything. I would call this evidence of incoherence within the Bible, owing to multiple writers and their own views, not as evidence of what God actually said or did.
Fair enough, this goes to ones pe
Stephen R. Prescott, Esq. wrote:
A valid point, the Bible does condemn certain items, so we do not have
to infer the Biblical view from circumstanial evidence. However, that
cuts both ways. The Bible condemns drunkness. Yet, Noah is in no way
criticized in the Biblical text for his intoxica
r your response. We will probably just have to agree to disagree, but I appreciate you interacting with a non-specialist such as I.
Steve Prescott
From: Ed Brayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Su
On Fri, 1 Sep 2006, Ed Brayton wrote:
You're missing an important distinction here: the Bible DOES condemn murder,
adultery and intoxication. It does not condemn polygamy, anywhere. Thus, it's
a far more reasonable conclusion to draw that condemnation of polygamy was
not a part of that mora
If mere action without divine
condemnation does not count as God's approval, then what does? There is nothing
circular is seeking an independent conception of how one ascertains God's
approval. Must it be a specific statement of approval or disapproval? What
counts as a reasonable in
Stephen R. Prescott, Esq. wrote:
Basically a lurker on this list, wisdom would no doubt be for me to
remain silent. Yet, "fools rush in where angels fail to trod." I
have no idea who Mr. Lofton is or the nature of the group with which
he is associated. However, acknowledging the stellar cre
Philip and the cause of the Protestant Reformation all suffered from this foolish (and if one adopts eccentric interpretation) sinful advice.
It is scary, a professor of Business Law has to supply the Biblical answers.
From: "Paul Finkelman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: Law &a
Title: Re: Recommendation...
There is a good short discussion of polygamy in Jewish law here:
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/judaism/FAQ/04-Observance/section-55.html
Howard Friedman
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Bill WildhackSent: Fri 9/1/2006 2:25 PMTo: Law & Religion issues for
Anywhere you go where you have a computer, you have a Bible - or at
least a Protestant Christian version of one:
http://www.biblegateway.com/
It's better than a paper Bible in some ways, because you can search
for terms, and there are several different available translations,
including translati
Tertullian's "On Monogamy" and related treatises argues against not merely
polygamy, but remarriage.
At 08:58 AM 9/1/06 -0500, you wrote:
Pardon the Friday interruption, but can anyone recommend a scholarly work
examining Judeo-Christian arguments against polygamy?
Thanks in advance,
Chris
Didn't Jacob have two wive and also childern with two "handmaidens" as
they were called? I am not at the office or home, so have no Bible to
check.
Paul Finkelman
Paul Finkelman
President William McKinley Distinguished Professor of Law
and Public Policy
Albany Law School
80 New Scotland Av
Marc Stern wrote:
Jacob had four wives. And see Exodus 21:10; Deut 21:15 all of which
assume polygamy.
In the context of an old testament that provides regulations for
virtually everything, down to what kind of fabrics to wear and what to
eat, it's hardly unreasonable to conclude that the l
Okay, here's one attempt to get back on track...
As I recall, the original request that tripped off this fascinating
diversion into biblical authority was for a scholarly work examining
polygamy in the Judeo-Christian tradition.
Aside from the various arguments that have been raised here about w
er 01, 2006 11:52 AM
Subject: RE: Recommendation...
Not talking abt wht people in Bible DID. Asked for Scripture showing where
God APPROVES of polygamy. Stick to the context here, please. Thank you.
John Lofton, Editor, TheAmericanView.com; Recovering Republican...
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"Accursed is that peace
In a message dated 9/1/2006 12:46:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Using the theological principal of "the law of first
mention," meaning that the first time a principle is mentioned
in Scripture is its meaning throughout, in Genesis 2:21-24 God
created the f
In a message dated 9/1/2006 12:52:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Not
talking abt wht people in Bible DID. Asked for Scripture showing where God
APPROVES of polygamy. Stick to the context here, please.
You can, of course, artificially
restrict the contex
Not talking abt wht people in Bible DID. Asked for Scripture showing where God
APPROVES of polygamy. Stick to the context here, please. Thank you. John
Lofton, Editor, TheAmericanView.com; Recovering Republican...
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"Accursed is that peace of which revolt from God is the bond, and blessed are
Sorry, some of us do not read the Bible in that way.
Marc
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Not tal
Using the theological principal of "the law of first mention," meaning that the first time a principle is mentioned in Scripture is its meaning throughout, in Genesis 2:21-24 God created the first institution - the institution of marriage. One man and one woman; not Adam and Steve, or Adam and Ev
John Lofton writes:
"Quote Scripture, please,
Mr. Finkelman, where God Himself ever APPROVED of polygamy."
How much weight does the
absence of such a quote have in a discussion of what God does or does not
approve of? What counts as God approving of a practice? Must th
ject: Re: Recommendation...
Quote Scripture, please, Mr. Finkelman, where God Himself ever APPROVED
of polygamy. I don't think you can. Thank you, sir. John Lofton, Editor,
TheAmericanView.com; Recovering Republican...
--
"Accursed is that peace of which revolt from God is the bond, a
Quote Scripture, please, Mr. Finkelman, where God Himself ever APPROVED of
polygamy. I don't think you can. Thank you, sir. John Lofton, Editor,
TheAmericanView.com; Recovering Republican...
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"Accursed is that peace of which revolt from God is the bond, and blessed are
those contentions by w
10:54:10 -0400> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu> Subject: Re: Recommendation...> > Biblical law of course allows polygamy. If it was good enough to the> Biblical patriarch and King Solomon, why isn't good enough for people> today?&
Biblical law of course allows polygamy. If it was good enough to the
Biblical patriarch and King Solomon, why isn't good enough for people
today?
Paul FInkelman
Paul Finkelman
President William McKinley Distinguished Professor of Law
and Public Policy
Albany Law School
80 New Scotland Avenu
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