RE: what does the right REALLY think of Roberts?

2005-07-28 Thread Newsom Michael
through the prism of experience. -Original Message- From: Samuel V [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 5:15 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: what does the right REALLY think of Roberts? Well necessary criteria would be that the decision (1

RE: what does the right REALLY think of Roberts?

2005-07-28 Thread Newsom Michael
to protect a whole range of such liberties then you need substantive due process or something very much like it. -Original Message- From: Rick Duncan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 10:38 AM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: what does the right

Re: what does the right REALLY think of Roberts?

2005-07-26 Thread Gene Garman
One very obvious way to understand what the Constitution's religion commandments mean is to ask the primary source individual who helped write them. The words "no religious test shall ever be required" (Art. 6., Sec. 3.) and "no law respecting an establishment of religion" are as

Re: what does the right REALLY think of Roberts?

2005-07-26 Thread RJLipkin
In a message dated 7/25/2005 11:21:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: am a libertarian/social conservative (I like the liberties that are expressed in the Constitution,the ones I have trouble with are the deadly ones theliberals on the Courthave invented), How

RE: what does the right REALLY think of Roberts?

2005-07-26 Thread Marc Stern
Academics Subject: Re: what does the right REALLY think of Roberts? I am a libertarian/social conservative (I like the liberties that are expressed in the Constitution,the ones I have trouble with are the deadly ones theliberals on the Courthave invented),and I think the Roberts nomination

Re: what does the right REALLY think of Roberts?

2005-07-26 Thread Samuel V
On 7/26/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How in the world can a libertarian be a social conservative? Actually, a libertarian view would be very consistent with social conservativism. On what issues do you think they are inconsistent? On homosexuality, most social

Re: what does the right REALLY think of Roberts?

2005-07-26 Thread RJLipkin
In a message dated 7/26/2005 10:06:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On homosexuality, most social conservatives do not favor lawsprohibiting sodomy, but they do resist employment and housing lawswhich require them to "accept" the "lifestyle." Contentions such

Re: what does the right REALLY think of Roberts?

2005-07-26 Thread Rick Duncan
Bobby Lipkin says that I can't be what I say I am, because a "libertarian/social conservative" is an oxymoron (kind of like Subtantive Due Process, maybe?). Almost no one is a 100% libertarian. Lots of liberals who consider themselves libertarian support all sorts of laws restricting economic

Re: what does the right REALLY think of Roberts?

2005-07-26 Thread Ed Brayton
Samuel V wrote: Anybody, not just a libertarian, can contend that the government should support certain liberties, but admit that these liberties are not necessarily protected by the Constitution. So, such a person (if he or she is a strict constructionist) would support Constitutiional

RE: what does the right REALLY think of Roberts?

2005-07-26 Thread Rick Duncan
25, 2005 11:20 PMTo: Law Religion issues for Law AcademicsSubject: Re: what does the right REALLY think of Roberts? I am a libertarian/social conservative (I like the liberties that are expressed in the Constitution,the ones I have trouble with are the deadly ones theliberals on the Courthave

From the list custodian RE: what does the right REALLY think of Roberts?

2005-07-26 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Sorry to be a bother, but please recall that this is a list aimed at the discussion (from an academic perspective) of the law of government and religion. Questions about how Judge Roberts' appointment may affect Religion Clauses doctrine are on-topic; questions about how the nomination

Re: what does the right REALLY think of Roberts?

2005-07-26 Thread RJLipkin
In a message dated 7/26/2005 11:15:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: By the way, most social liberals who consider themselves libertariando not support gun rights, school choice, low taxes, freedom of contract and other economic liberties,etc. So even if I am

From the list custodian RE: what does the right REALLY think of Roberts?

2005-07-26 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 9:02 AMTo: religionlaw@lists.ucla.eduSubject: Re: what does the right REALLY think of Roberts? In a message dated 7/26/2005 11:15:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: By the way, most social liberals who

Re: what does the right REALLY think of Roberts?

2005-07-26 Thread RJLipkin
In a message dated 7/26/2005 10:44:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My sense is that most of the opposition to overruling Bowers was basedon a perception that the Court was acting lawlessly (a peception Idon't necessarily share), and a concern that the

Re: what does the right REALLY think of Roberts?

2005-07-26 Thread Samuel V
In deference to the repeated requests of our moderator, I'll let Professor Lipkin have the last word. I guess I'll just have to run the continued risk that, in my future secret meetings with either the social conservatives or the small l libertarians, I might get thrown out of there. Sam Ventola

John Lofton/Re: what does the right REALLY think of Roberts?

2005-07-25 Thread Jlof
To try and understand what conservatives who are Christians FIRST think about John Roberts, you might want to visit, please, Peroutka2004.com, click on the first story and listen to our radio show on this subject. Thanks. And God bless you all. John Lofton, co-host The American View, syndicated

Re: what does the right REALLY think of Roberts?

2005-07-25 Thread RJLipkin
In a message dated 7/25/2005 4:37:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (Since this is a religion list, what exactly does it mean to "enforce theConstitution as written" when it comes to the religion clauses?) A distinct but equally important question is this.

Re: what does the right REALLY think of Roberts?

2005-07-25 Thread Samuel V
Well necessary criteria would be that the decision (1) is based on the language of the Constitution itself, and the original meaning of those words, (2) does not rely on some extra-Constitutional basis, such as modern social policy or foreign law, unless that policy or law is incorporated by the

Re: what does the right REALLY think of Roberts?

2005-07-25 Thread Gene Garman
Words mean things or the Constitution is nothing more than a blank piece of paper. The wording of the religion commandments of the Constitution are very specific: 1. "No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States" (Art. 6.,

Re: what does the right REALLY think of Roberts?

2005-07-25 Thread Steven Jamar
On Jul 25, 2005, at 6:07 PM, Gene Garman wrote: Words mean things or the Constitution is nothing more than a blank piece of paper. This is a faulty dilemma.  Of course words mean things.  But they are not so hard-edged and clear as to be incapable of multiple meanings and there are always things