Re: Use of Religion to Achieve Secular Ends

2006-05-06 Thread Marty Lederman
er, in numerous respects. - Original Message - From: Douglas Laycock To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 3:28 PM Subject: RE: Use of Religion to Achieve Secular Ends These are serious objections, and they may wel

RE: Use of Religion to Achieve Secular Ends

2006-05-06 Thread Alan Brownstein
rdless of the consequences. Alan Brownstein From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Douglas Laycock Sent: Sat 5/6/2006 12:28 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: Use of Religion to Achieve Secular Ends These are serious objections, and th

RE: Use of Religion to Achieve Secular Ends

2006-05-06 Thread Douglas Laycock
ED]Subject: Re: Use of Religion to Achieve Secular Ends But Doug, assume that the state prison decides that "religion works for some people," and therefore creates a program such as the one you describe:  It establishes within the prison a funded series of voluntary rehab programs, som

Re: Use of Religion to Achieve Secular Ends

2006-05-06 Thread Marty Lederman
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marty LedermanSent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 12:37 PMTo: Law & Religion issues for Law AcademicsSubject: Re: Use of Religion to Achieve Secular Ends In the comments section to his post (http://prawfsblawg.blogs.com/prawfsblawg/2006/05/religion_in

RE: Use of Religion to Achieve Secular Ends

2006-05-06 Thread Douglas Laycock
Law AcademicsSubject: Re: Use of Religion to Achieve Secular Ends In the comments section to his post (http://prawfsblawg.blogs.com/prawfsblawg/2006/05/religion_in_pri_1.html#comments), in response to my assertion that the state cannot and must not act on the conclusion that "religious transformation [a

Re: Use of Religion to Achieve Secular Ends

2006-05-06 Thread Marty Lederman
quot; <religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu>; "Law & Religion issues for Law Academics" <religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu>; "Law & Religion issues for Law Academics" <religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 3:30 PM Subject: Use of Religion to Achieve

Re: Use of Religion to Achieve Secular Ends

2006-05-06 Thread Hamilton02
Treating this as a constitutional issue, the answer is that government may not "take, and act on (in non-coercive ways, of course, and > consistent with the freedom of conscience), the view that  "religious transformation [and]  faith" are good (when freely > embraced)," because this is an i

Re: Use of Religion to Achieve Secular Ends

2006-05-06 Thread RJLipkin
It's unclear how the proposition that theological transformation and faith are good when embraced either freely or through coercion is a theological proposition or is only a theological proposition. As a theological proposition it is, in my view, rather uninteresting since one will a

Re: Use of Religion to Achieve Secular Ends

2006-05-06 Thread Mark Tushnet
ced" in the theologically relevant sense after coercion). - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, May 5, 2006 9:30 pm Subject: Use of Religion to Achieve Secular Ends > The other day I posted about the unconstitutionality of the BOP > religious-rehabilitation

RE: Use of Religion to Achieve Secular Ends

2006-05-05 Thread Alan Brownstein
12:31 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics; Law & Religion issues for Law Academics; Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Use of Religion to Achieve Secular Ends The other day I posted about the unconstitutionality of the BOP religious-rehabilitation funding p

Re: Use of Religion to Achieve Secular Ends

2006-05-05 Thread David E. Guinn
; "Law & Religion issues for Law Academics" Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 2:30 PM Subject: Use of Religion to Achieve Secular Ends The other day I posted about the unconstitutionality of the BOP religious-rehabilitation funding program. See http://balkin.blogspot.com/2006/04/blatant

Use of Religion to Achieve Secular Ends

2006-05-05 Thread marty . lederman
The other day I posted about the unconstitutionality of the BOP religious-rehabilitation funding program. See http://balkin.blogspot.com/2006/04/blatantly-unconstitutional-federal.html. FYI, the Freedom from Religion Foundation has now sued to challenge the program: http://ffrf.org/legal/gonza