RE: Bible class rules set for Texas schools - Faith- msnbc.com

2008-07-22 Thread Charles Haynes
I agree that much more guidance is needed (along the lines suggested in the consensus guidelines we issued in 2000 -- The Bible and Public Schools: A First Amendment Guide http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/about.aspx?id=6261. What puzzles me, however, is why the State Board fails to mention

RE: Bible class rules set for Texas schools - Faith- msnbc.com

2008-07-22 Thread Gordon James Klingenschmitt
Ed writes about teaching about the Bible (as an optional elective) in public schools, the result is going to be very ugly and very expensive. Yet leading cultural indicators show that since 1960 in America, violent crime has increased by 560 percent, illegitimate birth rates have increased

RE: Bible class rules set for Texas schools - Faith- msnbc.com

2008-07-22 Thread Ed Darrell
Yet leading cultural indicators show that since 1960 in America, violent crime has increased by 560 percent, illegitimate birth rates have increased more than 400 percent, teen suicide is up over 200 percent, the divorce rate has more than doubled, and the percentage of families headed by a

A plea for keeping things precise (and providing citations whenever possible)

2008-07-22 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Folks: Just a quick plug from the list custodian for maximum accuracy. If you want to cite a statistic, please check it and cite the source (plus see whether the big picture is more complex than you describe). For instance, a quick visit to the Bureau of Justice Statistics site

RE: A plea for keeping things precise (and providing citations whenever possible)

2008-07-22 Thread Saperstein, David (RAC)
One could argue that this is a classic example of the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy, if of course, one were inclined to make such arguments. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Volokh, Eugene Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 5:09 PM To:

RE: A plea for keeping things precise (and providing citations whenever possible)

2008-07-22 Thread Gordon James Klingenschmitt
OK, my source was a little old, Bill Bennett, 1994 Index of Leading Cultural Indicators, reprinted in Wall Street Journal article here: http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/arch/usadecline.html I think his typographical error (560%) was actually 460% rise in violent crime, according to the

RE: Bible class rules set for Texas schools - Faith- msnbc.com

2008-07-22 Thread Ed Brayton
This list is for discussion of the legal and constitutional issues, not for the imagined social consequences. I'm afraid you'll have to peddle the myth that the country went to hell when we kicked God out of schools to a different (perhaps less educated) audience. Ed Brayton From: [EMAIL