Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE Mastr II PLL vs. Multiplier (crystal) exciter in duplex service.

2004-12-20 Thread Wade Lake
ade - KR7K - Original Message - From: Kevin Custer To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE Mastr II PLL vs. Multiplier (crystal) exciter in duplex service. Hi Wade,I'm sorry, but I have t

Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE Mastr II PLL vs. Multiplier (crystal) exciter in duplex service.

2004-12-20 Thread Joe Montierth
. Wade - KR7K - Original Message - From: Kevin Custer To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE Mastr II PLL vs. Multiplier (crystal) exciter in duplex service. Wade, If the PLL reference from the crystal

Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE Mastr II PLL vs. Multiplier (crystal) exciter in duplex service.

2004-12-20 Thread Kevin Custer
Hi Wade, Kevin, I now realize the mistake I was making in looking at this. I am used toseeing newer PLL's with a much higher reference oscillator frequency and having a divider in the reference side before the Phase Comparator. In that case the stability does improve over

Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE Mastr II PLL vs. Multiplier (crystal) exciter in duplex service.

2004-12-20 Thread Kevin Custer
Joe Montierth wrote: The frequency stability of any transmitter is only as good as it's reference oscillator (be that a PLL or a multiplied crystal)- dividing or multiplying the frequency will not change that constant (in PPM). It doesn't matter if you use a 100KHz, 1MHz, 10MHz or 100MHz

Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE Mastr II PLL vs. Multiplier (crystal) exciter in duplex service.

2004-12-19 Thread Kevin Custer
Hi Matt, Matt wrote: Hi Kevin, Just a quick question regarding your earlier email - I thought crystal oscillators were cleaner (as far as noise sidebands are concerned ) than PLL types. Actually it depends on the circuitry associated with crystal. While some better crystal controlled

Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE Mastr II PLL vs. Multiplier (crystal) exciter in duplex service.

2004-12-19 Thread Matt
Cool, thanks for the reply Kevin! That makes fascinating reading, what a great design. Cheers, Matt - Original Message - From: Kevin Custer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 1:46 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE Mastr II PLL vs

Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE Mastr II PLL vs. Multiplier (crystal) exciter in duplex service.

2004-12-19 Thread Kevin Custer
Hi Wade, I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with your stability theory on the GE Mastr II PLL high-band exciter. If you refer to the PDF manual for the PLL exciter: http://www.repeater-builder.com/ge/lbi-library/lbi-30398n.pdf You will see under the "Description" the exciter utilizes the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE Mastr II PLL vs. Multiplier (crystal) exciter in duplex service.

2004-12-19 Thread Wade Lake
/drift is multiplied. Wade - KR7K - Original Message - From: Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 2:53 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE Mastr II PLL vs. Multiplier (crystal) exciter in duplex service. Cool, thanks

Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE Mastr II PLL vs. Multiplier (crystal) exciter in duplex service.

2004-12-19 Thread Wade Lake
al Message - From: Kevin Custer To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE Mastr II PLL vs. Multiplier (crystal) exciter in duplex service. Hi Wade,I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with your stability theory on the GE Mastr I

Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE Mastr II PLL vs. Multiplier (crystal) exciter in duplex service.

2004-12-19 Thread Wade Lake
2004 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE Mastr II PLL vs. Multiplier (crystal) exciter in duplex service. I standcorrected, in part anyway. In this GE radio the deviation is indeed at a divide by 12 from the output. This is why I said "usually", I am not familiar with theint

Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE Mastr II PLL vs. Multiplier (crystal) exciter in duplex service.

2004-12-19 Thread Kevin Custer
m: Kevin Custer To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE Mastr II PLL vs. Multiplier (crystal) exciter in duplex service. Hi Wade, I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with your stability theory on the GE Ma

Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE Mastr II PLL vs. Multiplier (crystal) exciter in duplex service.

2004-12-19 Thread Kevin Custer
er-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE Mastr II PLL vs. Multiplier (crystal) exciter in duplex service. I standcorrected, in part anyway. In this GE radio the deviation is indeed at a divide by 12 from the output. This is

Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE Mastr II PLL vs. Multiplier (crystal) exciter in duplex service.

2004-12-19 Thread Kevin Custer
Neil McKie wrote: That was several months ago. I don'd remember what frequency we did tune it to ... although I'd want to believe it was the operating channel frequency. After changing the exciter away from the PLL to the crystal/ICOM version, it worked. What I was wondering was