Re: [Repeater-Builder] Digest Number 3698
Sounds good, but you don't understand, first this is an attempt to kill the on going expense we have each month, as well as Nextel is not in our area enough to give coverage. Thanks.Mathew Al Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 01:30:03 - From: "n9lv" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Need Plan info on handheld coverage in Business Band for 60 miles or so We have four stores that is spread over nearly a 60 mile radius. The first store is about 40 air miles from my store, and then from my store to the next store is about 17 air miles, and again from that store is 17 miles or so. From store one to store 4, there is about 60 air miles between them. Locating the repeater here at my home about 100', it will be on UHF. Using mobile radios, they would all be able to reach the repeater, but I would like to enhance it somehow that the handhelds would be able to be used between the stores. Any thoughts on a plan that would work for this. I have to keep cost to minimum. We do have DSL at all 4 stores. Thanks. Mathew N9LVNextel?K0SI Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Need Plan info on handheld coverage in Business Band for 60 miles or so
Cingular's push to talk feature might be a solution. Kevin King SCSA BSCIS ARS KC6OVD GMRS KAG0378 EIEIO 2722 Acworth Georgia -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of n9lv Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 8:30 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Need Plan info on handheld coverage in Business Band for 60 miles or so We have four stores that is spread over nearly a 60 mile radius. The first store is about 40 air miles from my store, and then from my store to the next store is about 17 air miles, and again from that store is 17 miles or so. From store one to store 4, there is about 60 air miles between them. Locating the repeater here at my home about 100', it will be on UHF. Using mobile radios, they would all be able to reach the repeater, but I would like to enhance it somehow that the handhelds would be able to be used between the stores. Any thoughts on a plan that would work for this. I have to keep cost to minimum. We do have DSL at all 4 stores. Thanks. Mathew N9LV Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Motorola Motrac Repeater Conversion HELP!
I have a B94MDB-3106AT-SP13 Motrac Repeater , It is on 463 right now. I am wondering how much work is involved in moving it to 440? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] LMR coax
Recently there were some negative comments about the LMR coax. I have not used it before but was curious what problems others may have encountered while using it. Tim KB2MFS Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Need Plan info on handheld coverage in Business Band for 60 miles or so
Here is an off the wall thought. Install 802.11 throughout the stores. Then use some of those netgear wifi phones. It would be free as long as you are calling one another. http://tools.netgear.com/skype/ Dan KC2BEZ On 4/2/06, Kevin King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cingular's push to talk feature might be a solution. Kevin King SCSA BSCIS ARS KC6OVD GMRS KAG0378 EIEIO 2722 Acworth Georgia -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of n9lv Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 8:30 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Need Plan info on handheld coverage in Business Band for 60 miles or so We have four stores that is spread over nearly a 60 mile radius. The first store is about 40 air miles from my store, and then from my store to the next store is about 17 air miles, and again from that store is 17 miles or so. From store one to store 4, there is about 60 air miles between them. Locating the repeater here at my home about 100', it will be on UHF. Using mobile radios, they would all be able to reach the repeater, but I would like to enhance it somehow that the handhelds would be able to be used between the stores. Any thoughts on a plan that would work for this. I have to keep cost to minimum. We do have DSL at all 4 stores. Thanks. Mathew N9LV Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] LMR coax
Tim, The only issue I have had is that if you get any moisture between the braid and foil shield.. you will soon have the million diode marching band serenading your receiver in a duplex environment. It happened to a guy just South of here when a hunk was used in a duplexer harness a while back. Replaced the jumper and all was well again... Also the braid is aluminum, so it is pretty fragile to any twisting etc where it attaches to a connector. Also makes it somewhat difficult to solder to. Use the crimp-on style connectors from www.Fab-Corp.com and provide some kind of stress relief to the connector. Try not to nick the center conductor when you strip it back as it is copper-clad aluminum. I a simplex environment... I love it! OT--Anybody going to play in the 2m sprint tonight? 73 Mike K5JMP www.k5jmp.us -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tim and Janet Campbell Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 10:06 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] LMR coax Recently there were some negative comments about the LMR coax. I have not used it before but was curious what problems others may have encountered while using it. Tim KB2MFS Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] LMR coax
I have had good luck, except the LMR400 / similar to 9913 is prone to center conductor (copper clad solid aluminum) breaking if it gets too much flexing. ssbOn 4/2/06, Mike Perryman K5JMP [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tim,The only issue I have had is that if you get any moisture between the braidand foil shield..you will soon have the million diode marching bandserenading your receiver in a duplex environment.It happened to a guy just South of here when a hunk was used in a duplexer harness a while back.Replaced the jumper and all was well again...Also the braid is aluminum, so it is pretty fragile to any twisting etcwhere it attaches to a connector.Also makes it somewhat difficult to solder to.Use the crimp-on style connectors from www.Fab-Corp.com andprovide some kind of stress relief to the connector.Try not to nick thecenter conductor when you strip it back as it is copper-clad aluminum. I a simplex environment...I love it!OT--Anybody going to play in the 2m sprint tonight?73MikeK5JMPwww.k5jmp.us-Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com[mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Tim and Janet CampbellSent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 10:06 PMTo: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSubject: [Repeater-Builder] LMR coaxRecently there were some negative comments about the LMR coax.I have not used it before but was curious what problems others may have encounteredwhile using it.Tim KB2MFSYahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- DE NU5D - Promote Amateur Radio YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[Repeater-Builder] radio shops without a vision
Re: Need Plan info on handheld coverage in Business Band for 60 miles or so It would be sad to learn that a good radio shop couldn't come up with the obvious answers to this request, sell the equipment and provide a very cost effective solution to the original coverage request. Figure Cingular units cost min $29 per month just to run the ptt feature. 20 units is an easy $580 a month just as a regular ongoing cost. This type system is where Land Mobile Radio (LMR) could provide a much more cost effective solution at a much reduced ongoing cost over Nextel and/or Cingular. Someone with their well thought out planning hat on would also make the system perform both in and around the store locations just to impress and expand the system to the local area. Cingular's push to talk feature might be a solution. The problem with many of the older radio shops is the lack of vision... in the old railroad days we called this sleeping at the switch. I'd be over to the customer location the next day asking to demo the equipment, showing system diagrams and showing off the portables that would work through the system... also showing how much the ongoing costs would be for both systems over the next 3 years. Most people can see that far ahead. About 80% plus of the old time radio shops never seemed to wake up or warm up to the real world... many have gone poof. cheers, skipp Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR coax
If you email or contact my (rotten to the core :-) friend Mike (wu7q) about his UHF Repeater System (on echolink and IRLP), he'll tell you the story of how his brand new LMR-400 feed-line worked great for about 3 months. The system was installed early in the year when outside temps were moderate. The California 105' summer heat killed the line in the fourth month of operation. The Repeater Receiver went numb... really numb. Everything tested great, Receiver, Duplexer, the LMR-400 feedline and new Antenna. T'was a real head scratcher for a time. So... We replaced the LMR-400 feed line with 1/2 inch andrews hard line and the receiver came back to life just like magic! The original LMR-400 still tests like nothing is wrong with it... but something is wrong with it unless you like resistive feed line on your UHF Repeater System. This is only one example of the grief we've had with LMR-400 feed line. But I will say that some of our earlier installed LMR line vhf antenna systems are still working ok. We are slowing removing the LMR-400 from critical applications as equipment is changed. Your results will probably vary... Tower climbers and antenna days are costly and eat up more time than most people/shops care to admit. Over time you learn to remove all the variables from a new antenna system installation so you don't end up punching the clown over a product selection mistake. LMR is in the variable columb... cheers, skipp Tim and Janet Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently there were some negative comments about the LMR coax. I have not used it before but was curious what problems others may have encountered while using it. Tim KB2MFS Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR coax
Hello Skipp,I would be really interested in knowing with say 10 watts going into the cable, how much reaches a dummy load at the far end. I have never had any loss issues with LMR400, other than breaking the center conductor. I have bunches of LMR500 and 600 with no trouble. Above 600, it makes more sense to use LDF5-50 7/8 Andrew cable. I have various LMR cables in place from HF to 1296 (on 1296 they are short jumpers from the main line into the station). Steve NU5DOn 4/2/06, skipp025 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you email or contact my (rotten to the core :-) friend-- DE NU5D - Promote Amateur Radio YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR coax
Hi Steve, In the approx 50' length of feedline we used, there appeared to be no un-realistic amount of loss in the new lmr cable. As mentioned earlier, sourcing the numb receiver was a real head scratcher for a week or two. Tx out power and return losss measured just peachy, but no cigar on the rx loss go figure. I don't have the original values anymore... It's possible I still have the problematic line segement still at the repeater site (well marked as bad). Maybe this summer I'll have another look at it. 1/2 inch hard line is not really that much more and there's a glut of feedline around from all the cell site swap outs/changes. I've not had any problem with the larger LMR lines although we don't have a lot of it in service. I do have a lot of the rg-58 size LMR 200 in service and I like it for inside jumpers in some applications. Mostly because I got it free and it's easy to work with. But most of the serious applications get rg-214 mil spec so I can sleep well at night... cheers, skipp Steve Bosshard (NU5D) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Skipp, I would be really interested in knowing with say 10 watts going into the cable, how much reaches a dummy load at the far end. I have never had any loss issues with LMR400, other than breaking the center conductor. I have bunches of LMR500 and 600 with no trouble. Above 600, it makes more sense to use LDF5-50 7/8 Andrew cable. I have various LMR cables in place from HF to 1296 (on 1296 they are short jumpers from the main line into the station). Steve NU5D Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] lmr 400 - not for duplex use
the key is - as someone said - don't use lmr-400 as a duplex feedline - all other uses will work fine - and you should be using soft jumpers and crimp on connectors do work best :-) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] BiDirectional Repeater Cable?
Has anyone actually used this product?: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=5813655761 Seems to bea repeater maker cable that offers full DUPLEX for both radios, through the Acc pins. Was interested in using this for a few cross-band systems, if we can use a total of only 2 radios for both Tx and Rx that'd be great! Anyone that's used this product, let me know if it works. Thanks! YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Bi-Directional Repeater Cable?
Connecting two identical radios back-to-back is the easy part, which this cable probably can do okay. But it does not include a station identifier, which is mandatory. I also am skeptical about the claim of full duplex operation. Back-to-back cables normally work in cross-band applications, where the radio that is receiving a signal uses its COR to key another radio. Then, when the reply comes in, the keying direction is reversed. This is simply a variant of two-frequency simplex operation.. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 12:37 PMTo: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Repeater-Builder] BiDirectional Repeater Cable? Has anyone actually used this product?: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=5813655761 Seems to bea repeater maker cable that offers full DUPLEX for both radios, through the Acc pins. Was interested in using this for a few cross-band systems, if we can use a total of only 2 radios for both Tx and Rx that'd be great! Anyone that's used this product, let me know if it works. Thanks! YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR coax
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Tim and Janet Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently there were some negative comments about the LMR coax. I have not used it before but was curious what problems others may have encountered while using it. Tim KB2MFS 1. I would NEVER use LMR between the repeater and duplexers, use RG-142 or even better are the Andrews Superflex. 2. If using LMR-400/600/900/1200, make sure it is the FLOODED BRAID version; I never buy anything except the Flooded Braid versions. Most of the problems I have found were traces to improperly installed connectors , non-flooded braid cable, and/or weatherproofing; including at grounding locations. Either order the cables with the conectors installed or have the PROPER tools and know how to install them and use accepted commerical weatherproofing material and techniques. 3. If you are having to PAY for cable installation, spend the extra money for good quality Hardline such as Andrews or RFS Celwave; it will save you over time. 4. LMR-400 is better than RG-8 type cable, LMR-600 is better than LMR- 400, Hardline is better all the time. 5. Note that many MANAGED commerical sites do NOT allow anything but specific hardlines. This is for many reasons, including standardization of their cable hangers and PROPER grounding of the cables at regular intervals (not only at the top and bottom of the run). Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: BiDirectional Repeater Cable?
I have and they actually work just fine. Although they are very basic and provide no repeater controller options, which include a tail or drop out timer unless you buy the model that has it built in. The cable you ask about takes two Motorola 16 pin radios like the GM300 and M120 units, makes one a repeater receiver and the other a transmitter. I make a similar unit using the rear 16 pin plug/jack and in some examples also/or the front mic jace. Be careful about the ebay sold unit, it's very, very easy to put the cable in upside down, there is no plug polarity key, nor is there a real indication of which side of the plug goes up or down. (unless they've changed their design. cheers, skipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone actually used this product?: _http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=5813655761_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=5813655761) Seems to be a repeater maker cable that offers full DUPLEX for both radios, through the Acc pins. Was interested in using this for a few cross-band systems, if we can use a total of only 2 radios for both Tx and Rx that'd be great! Anyone that's used this product, let me know if it works. Thanks! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Free to a good home (you pick up or pay shipping)
One 4-Motrac base, rack mount, model B53MHB. Manual copy available for the Kinkos costs. I know that the rest of this stuff isn't quite radio related, but I know that people and 2-way shops have multi-line phones, and some have older systems... might need some of this stuff. Over 15 years ago I had the chance to pick up this stuff after a acquaintance passed away... at the time I was doing phone system work on the side. Well, I'm never going to use it all, so I'm offering about 90% of the stash... I need to make space in the garage. All are free for hauling away or shipping costs... All of this stuff is a little dirty from warehouse storage. I live in Arcadia, California, just a mile or so east of Pasadena. Plug 91007 into the search box of Google Earth and the crosshairs will be within a mile of me. Folks familiar with telephone equipment will recognize these... 25-30 used 66M blocks (these are the smaller 4-pin block), a mix of split (i.e. each row has 2 groups of 2 pins each) and unsplit (each row is all 4 pins across the block). All are used, most still have wire punched into them. A few have a couple of the plastic wire pegs broken off. New these things are $12-20 depending on where you go. 30-40 unsplit 66B blocks (these are the 6-pin big block). All 15-20 years old, most look like they were never used. $15 and up if you could find them and were to buy new. 20-30 type-89B standoffs for the M blocks - all over 20 years old but most never used, but a little yellow with age (the type of plastic they used does that). 1 each Northern Telecom Logic 6, Logic 10 and Logic 20 key phones plus one, maybe two ITT 30-button (29 lines) phone. Several 2564 and 2565 phones. One 9-line WeCo wall phone (handset hangs up on the top of the phone) - sometimes called a barn phone. These are 1A2 key telephones that use the fat 25-pair cable that has the 50-pin Amphenol connector... (Picture a 50-pin version of the 36-pin connector you find on the back of a printer). The Logic 6 is a 5-line phone that is used and looks it but works fine, the Logic 10 is a 9-line and the Logic 20 is the 19 line version. The Logic 20 and the ITTs are new in the box and have a jack in the back for a headset (the dual 1/4 telco-type of headset jack). The 10 is used, but still decent looking and would clean up very nice with a bit of automotive polish. 1 used ITT 501 6-line KSU with the optional 2-line add-on panel and a Melco KC-9 buzzer intercom (9 stations). The exterior looks new but the inside has the wear and tear of a dusty warehouse environment, also the intercom unit was used when it was installed and looks rough, but works fine. This system was used with some of the 9-line phones above and offers 8 lines plus intercom. I have a 501 manual that can be xeroxed and I'll do that if you want to pay the Kinkos cost. If you ask nice I'll swap out the 9-station for your choice of a KC-19 or even a KC-37 (19 and 37 stations). Several used 584 shelves, and 1 512 shelf complete with interrupters, and there are several power supplies available, most with ring generators. Each shelf will control 13 phone lines. Each power supply will support 3 shelves. I have a xerox of the manual for the 512 and the 584. One TIE 612 phone system. Capable of 6 lines and 12 phones. Includes a few phones, all have the monitor speaker option, I think one is a speakerphone. Condition unknown, no manual. I think there is a NorthCom 1A3 phone system on the shelf. If so, it is also a 6 by 12. Manufactured as a swapin for the TIE (i.e. uses the TIE phones) but with more features. Condition unknown, no manual. over 100 line cards of several types for the above 1A2 shelves - Includes 400D, 400E, 400H, 401, 413, 407, 415 (ringdown), 417, 4000 (a 400 clone), 4100, 4200 (a 400 with MOH), a couple tuner cards for the 4200s, etc. I know a few are bad but I have no easy way to test them. I have other telephone crud of the 70s and 80s vintage... if you are maintaining a vintage system let me know what you need. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Syntor X conversion to 222 as a user radio?
At 02:25 PM 04/02/06, you wrote: I'm searching various yahoo groups looking to see if anybody has ever modified a Syntor X up to the 222 MHz band... I have a tracking generator, so re-tuning the RF preselector set, and the VFO injection filter set is feasable... I have not yet done the math, but I was thinking of low-side injection with a 150-174 MHz Syntor X (which normally uses high-side injection) ... I did the math on a Motrac a long time ago, and actually moved a 172mhz Motran (then had a serial tag made up that read U43.5MSN-3190AK) Basically I converted the receiver LO multiplier 75-to-150MHz doubler into a tripler, and ordered rocks for 149MHz receive channels from a local cheap rock chipper. I wasn't going to spend good $ on a experimental project. The front end mod was similar to Kevin's Micor-receiver-to-220 mods. The transmitter got the same doubler-to-tripler mod and the PA deck was actually pretty easy... each tuned circuit had a coil, fixed cap and trimmer cap in parallel. By diking out the fixed cap it all tuned right up.Not exactly the right L-C ratios, but it was a proof-of-concept idea. A 149.150 CAP or MARS (I forget which) channel element with a cheap crystal that had drifted low beyond use was able to be tweaked to 149.0 and it landed me on 223.5 The finals were inefficient enough at 220 that they didn't need any neutralization... I was seeing a clean 19-20 watts out. I had the radio working on the local 223.94 and 224.94 repeaters, and on 223.5MHz simplex. It lasted about a year before it got replaced with a Midland 13-509... 12 channels in a smaller box. Then a 13-513. Then a trunk mounted 13-513 with 11 memory channels (DIP switches back in the radio) and one VFO channel via a homebrew control head. Mike WA6ILQ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] radio shops without a vision
All very good points Skipp. I have developed solutions like what they need many times back in the 80's. Used to put those midland and uniden repeaters up with phone interconnect all the time. Mostly in junk yards. That was after the operators of the yard gave up on the cordless phone with the antenna kits! The suggestion to use a PTT service is only 9.95 to add to existing service. I was assuming employees already having some sort of cell service. If they do not then a system solutions is the way to go. The one 60 mile hop the poster mentioned is what is going to need some engineering and brings cost and most likely ongoing expense to the solution. The best RF based solution so far sounds like the voice over IP linking. Unless he is in the central valley of California, then just about any of the good mountain top sites will cover him! Cellular sales folks would jump on the opportunity to do something with this. Those folks are more aggressive that the sales folks for 2 way in the hay days. Kevin King SCSA BSCIS ARS KC6OVD GMRS KAG0378 EIEIO 2722 Acworth Georgia -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of skipp025 Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 12:40 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] radio shops without a vision Re: Need Plan info on handheld coverage in Business Band for 60 miles or so It would be sad to learn that a good radio shop couldn't come up with the obvious answers to this request, sell the equipment and provide a very cost effective solution to the original coverage request. Figure Cingular units cost min $29 per month just to run the ptt feature. 20 units is an easy $580 a month just as a regular ongoing cost. This type system is where Land Mobile Radio (LMR) could provide a much more cost effective solution at a much reduced ongoing cost over Nextel and/or Cingular. Someone with their well thought out planning hat on would also make the system perform both in and around the store locations just to impress and expand the system to the local area. Cingular's push to talk feature might be a solution. The problem with many of the older radio shops is the lack of vision... in the old railroad days we called this sleeping at the switch. I'd be over to the customer location the next day asking to demo the equipment, showing system diagrams and showing off the portables that would work through the system... also showing how much the ongoing costs would be for both systems over the next 3 years. Most people can see that far ahead. About 80% plus of the old time radio shops never seemed to wake up or warm up to the real world... many have gone poof. cheers, skipp Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Syntor X conversion to 222 as a user radio?
Mike I have a modified Syntorx for two meters. You may want to take a look at Piex.com. They are the people I got my mod kit from and it worked well. I think they could have made provisions for a control head and it would have been much nicer. They also advertise it will go to 220.0Mhz and I agree. The mod kit is very nice and well thought out. If I can answer particular questions don't hesitate to ask. 73's de Tom MAnning, AF4UG - Original Message - From: Mike Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Syntor X conversion to 222 as a user radio? At 02:25 PM 04/02/06, you wrote: I'm searching various yahoo groups looking to see if anybody has ever modified a Syntor X up to the 222 MHz band... I have a tracking generator, so re-tuning the RF preselector set, and the VFO injection filter set is feasable... I have not yet done the math, but I was thinking of low-side injection with a 150-174 MHz Syntor X (which normally uses high-side injection) ... I did the math on a Motrac a long time ago, and actually moved a 172mhz Motran (then had a serial tag made up that read U43.5MSN-3190AK) Basically I converted the receiver LO multiplier 75-to-150MHz doubler into a tripler, and ordered rocks for 149MHz receive channels from a local cheap rock chipper. I wasn't going to spend good $ on a experimental project. The front end mod was similar to Kevin's Micor-receiver-to-220 mods. The transmitter got the same doubler-to-tripler mod and the PA deck was actually pretty easy... each tuned circuit had a coil, fixed cap and trimmer cap in parallel. By diking out the fixed cap it all tuned right up.Not exactly the right L-C ratios, but it was a proof-of-concept idea. A 149.150 CAP or MARS (I forget which) channel element with a cheap crystal that had drifted low beyond use was able to be tweaked to 149.0 and it landed me on 223.5 The finals were inefficient enough at 220 that they didn't need any neutralization... I was seeing a clean 19-20 watts out. I had the radio working on the local 223.94 and 224.94 repeaters, and on 223.5MHz simplex. It lasted about a year before it got replaced with a Midland 13-509... 12 channels in a smaller box. Then a 13-513. Then a trunk mounted 13-513 with 11 memory channels (DIP switches back in the radio) and one VFO channel via a homebrew control head. Mike WA6ILQ Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Syntor X conversion to 222 as a user radio?
I've converted Maxtracs to 222 mhz. You may want to read my mod at http://members.aol.com/w8ak Glenn YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR coax
Dave wrote: Now I don't want to get kicked out of this forum, so I have to cross this one gently. I am the Anderson of Fleeman, Anderson Bird Corp http://www.fab-corp.com as mentioned above. We have offered for years a special amateur radio operator discount of 7% off your total. All you have to do is put your callsign in the comments when you finish you order. This is done manually the first order, but subsequent orders you'll see the % off on your cart when you login the site. My appologies to the moderator if i've crossed any rules here, just wanting to pass on the offer we have. Seeya, Dave Anderson No apology necessary, except for your prices maybe I looked at a few things and realized that even with a generous 7% Ham Discount, that you are still several percent higher than the norm. Lets take for example your Rotenna look alike bridge set: http://www.fab-corp.com/product.php?productid=3135cat=267page=1 Your special price of only $434.99. Take off 7% and you get $404.54 Now look at this: http://www.wlanparts.com/product/RT-2418-CB3 Buy 2 for $344.00 Granted you don't get the Cat 5 cable in this kit, but you could buy a 500' roll for the difference. Then your WET54G: $149.99, less 7% is $139.49... http://www.fab-corp.com/product.php?productid=2900cat=267page=1 You can buy them here for $92.00 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=5866005359 At 7%, you aren't doing us hams any favors Kevin Custer Owner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Wanted Channel Guard programmable for Master 2
hi well i am looking for my Master 2 Repeater this ge parts: 19D432500G1-3 if you have one to sell ,send me an email direct please: [EMAIL PROTECTED] with your price also thanks , gervais ve2ckn bic,quebec Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Looking for datasheet - SD1499-1
Found this via google, not much, but something: Part Number = SD1499-1 Description = Bipolar NPN UHF-Microwave Transisitor Manufacturer = Various V(BR)CBO (V) = 36 I(C) Abs.(A) Collector Current = 13 Absolute Max. Power Diss. (W) = 218 Semiconductor Material = Silicon Package = SOT-119var Military = N At 08:50 PM 04/01/06, you wrote: Trying to find a datasheet for an RF power transistor - SD1499-1. These were made by Thomson/ST Micro. Can't seem to find anything on-line, not even a cross-reference. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. --- Jeff 73 Glenn WB4UIV Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Wanted Channel Guard programmable for Master 2
Appears I have one here marked 19D432500G, never used., 10 dip switches. Pls. reply off list., we'll discuss Jerry VE3 EXT Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: BiDirectional Repeater Cable?
Thanks for the response. So this is notwhat I thought it sounds like. We are looking to boost indoor handheld coverage so our theory was to use this cablewith a VHF w/ our main repeater freqsand connect it to a UHFfor handheld transmissions.In this case, both radios would need to be able to RX and TX, not one as Rx and one as Tx. Correct? Also had recommendations for arooftop yagi pointing toourmain repeater, to a bi-directional amp, to a indoor omni. As well ashaving multipleon-site repeaters linkedvia UHF. If you have any other thoughts or experience w/ these please let me know! Most of our sites areabout 2-3 miles apart, but we have one that is about 10-15 miles. The mainrepeater isat about 100ftAAT, but2 of our locations are sitting in a river valley which seems to beblocking a good handheld signal. THanks!-Original Message-From: skipp025 [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSent: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 23:03:17 -Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: BiDirectional Repeater Cable? I have and they actually work just fine. Although they are very basic and provide no repeater controller options, which include a tail or drop out timer unless you buy the model that has it built in. The cable you ask about takes two Motorola 16 pin radios like the GM300 and M120 units, makes one a repeater receiver and the other a transmitter. I make a similar unit using the rear 16 pin plug/jack and in some examples also/or the front mic jace. Be careful about the ebay sold unit, it's very, very easy to put the cable in upside down, there is no plug polarity key, nor is there a real indication of which side of the plug goes up or down. (unless they've changed their design. cheers, skipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone actually used this product?: _http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=5813655761_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=5813655761) Seems to be a repeater maker cable that offers full DUPLEX for both radios, through the Acc pins. Was interested in using this for a few cross-band systems, if we can use a total of only 2 radios for both Tx and Rx that'd be great! Anyone that's used this product, let me know if it works. Thanks! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [Repeater-Builder] LMR coax
I have never used it - preferring to Andrew Heliax for each requirement. Neil - WA6KLA Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] LMR coax Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 21:05:54 -0600 Recently there were some negative comments about the LMR coax. I have not used it before but was curious what problems others may have encountered while using it. Tim KB2MFS Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: BiDirectional Repeater Cable?
This absolutely could work for you. You seem to have a vhf.repester with poor
handheld coverage in the building. Just set up the vhf unit to the correct
repeater pairn and use that cable to connect the vhf to a uhf simplex freqm.
The handhelds would then be uhf and simplex. Sonanything the vhf hears will go
out on uhfn and anything the uhf mobile hears will be transmitted out the. Vhf
on the repeaters ibput freq. And will go thru the repeater. People in the
building will then hear the uhf tansmission simplex.
.
Michael
P. S. The other ideas can work also,just depends on what you want to
accomplish, the cist, and convenience.
Sent via BlackBerry from Cingular Wireless
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 22:28:19
To:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: BiDirectional Repeater Cable?
Thanks for the response. So this is not what I thought it sounds like. We are
looking to boost indoor handheld coverage so our theory was to use this
cable with a VHF w/ our main repeater freqs and connect it to a UHF for
handheld transmissions. In this case, both radios would need to be able to RX
and TX, not one as Rx and one as Tx. Correct?
Also had recommendations for a rooftop yagi pointing to our main repeater, to a
bi-directional amp, to a indoor omni. As well as having multiple on-site
repeaters linked via UHF. If you have any other thoughts or experience w/
these please let me know! Most of our sites are about 2-3 miles apart, but we
have one that is about 10-15 miles. The main repeater is at about 100ft AAT,
but 2 of our locations are sitting in a river valley which seems to be blocking
a good handheld signal.
THanks!
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] LMR coax
Since I see a topic on Coax I got this E-Mail from a Ham Friend Coax AF400, just like LMR400 for $0.35/ft. from http://www.antennasystems.com shipped to my door for only $34.97 next day. Has anyone heard of this Coax before Happy Repeater Building Thanks Don KA9QJG Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: BiDirectional Repeater Cable?
Sorry for the bad spelling, still getting used to the blackberry.
Michael
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From: Michael Yellin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 02:41:39
To:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: BiDirectional Repeater Cable?
This absolutely could work for you. You seem to have a vhf.repester with poor
handheld coverage in the building. Just set up the vhf unit to the correct
repeater pairn and use that cable to connect the vhf to a uhf simplex freqm.
The handhelds would then be uhf and simplex. Sonanything the vhf hears will go
out on uhfn and anything the uhf mobile hears will be transmitted out the. Vhf
on the repeaters ibput freq. And will go thru the repeater. People in the
building will then hear the uhf tansmission simplex.
.
Michael
P. S. The other ideas can work also,just depends on what you want to
accomplish, the cist, and convenience.
Sent via BlackBerry from Cingular Wireless
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 22:28:19
To:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: BiDirectional Repeater Cable?
Thanks for the response. So this is not what I thought it sounds like. We are
looking to boost indoor handheld coverage so our theory was to use this
cable with a VHF w/ our main repeater freqs and connect it to a UHF for
handheld transmissions. In this case, both radios would need to be able to RX
and TX, not one as Rx and one as Tx. Correct?
Also had recommendations for a rooftop yagi pointing to our main repeater, to a
bi-directional amp, to a indoor omni. As well as having multiple on-site
repeaters linked via UHF. If you have any other thoughts or experience w/
these please let me know! Most of our sites are about 2-3 miles apart, but we
have one that is about 10-15 miles. The main repeater is at about 100ft AAT,
but 2 of our locations are sitting in a river valley which seems to be blocking
a good handheld signal.
THanks!
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] TLE 1062 B
Hey, I 'think' you replied with your snail mail address ... but now I can't find that message ... Again please? Neil Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] TLE 1062 B Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 08:05:46 -0800 Anyone on the list have any info on this amp? Tom Saunders Comm Tech, City of Seattle Amateur Radio Station N7OEP 206.384.1604 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] This ought to keep you busy - Amazing Jigsaw Puzzle
Thought you might like it ... Neil Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] This ought to keep you busy - Amazing Jigsaw Puzzle Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:50:39 -0500 Neil, It took about 1.5 minutes... it is cute though! mike -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 3:21 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] This ought to keep you busy - Amazing Jigsaw Puzzle Ok ... Neil Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] This ought to keep you busy - Amazing Jigsaw Puzzle Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:46:47 -0600 My blocked senders list is getting fuller. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 12:11 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] This ought to keep you busy - Amazing Jigsaw Puzzle Original Message Subject: FW: amazing jigsaw puzzle Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 13:35:26 -0800 Not your usual jigsaw puzzle! This is amazing how it works while it is moving all the time. Can you assemble it on the gray area? http://www.brl.ntt.co.jp/people/hara/fly.swf Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Syntor X conversion to 222 as a user radio?
Glenn,your small font is killin ushave mercy on us with lo-res monitors and failing eyesight! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've converted Maxtracs to 222 mhz. You may want to read my mod at http://members.aol.com/w8ak Glenn YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Syntor X conversion to 222 as a user radio?
Title: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Syntor X conversion to 222 as a user radio? His font looks OK here. Could it be your browser/client is making the change in the background?? Mark - N9WYS From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lee Williams Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 10:50 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Syntor X conversion to 222 as a user radio? Glenn,your small font is killin ushave mercy on us with lo-res monitors and failing eyesight! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've converted Maxtracs to 222 mhz. You may want to read my mod at http://members.aol.com/w8ak Glenn YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group Repeater-Builder on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
