Re: [Repeater-Builder] Service Monitors with D-Star

2007-04-24 Thread Jim B.
Bryon Jeffers K0BSJ wrote: Well I will agree with Nate on this one.. The crazy D-Star will only do it's AMBE digital and will not pass analog voice... At least when using a Quantar/Quantro with P25 capability you can set it up with CAI (Clear Air Interface)/P25 IMBE and it will do either

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Service Monitors with D-Star

2007-04-24 Thread Jim B.
James wrote: Bryon Jeffers K0BSJ wrote: Well I will agree with Nate on this one.. The crazy D-Star will only do it's AMBE digital and will not pass analog voice... At least when using a Quantar/Quantro with P25 capability you can set it up with CAI (Clear Air Interface)/P25 IMBE and it will

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Digital repeater allocations, was Service Monitors with D-Star

2007-04-24 Thread Jim B.
Nate Duehr wrote: Not trying to be a spoil-sport, but since Mototrbo isn't a documented public protocol doesn't it fall under the encrypted transmission rules, and wouldn't be allowed in the Amateur bands? No, because any Mototrbo radio can talk to any other Mototrbo radio set for the same

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Cross-band Repeating.

2007-04-24 Thread Larry Rappaport
Jason Cato wrote: Can someone tell me what equipment I will need to cross band repeat a Uniden SMU4525KT UHF into an Icom 2100H VHF? I want to be able to move around my property with my H/T, and still be able to get into repeaters my H/T can't reach. Also, can I use the same multi-band

[Repeater-Builder] Tuning By Ear?

2007-04-24 Thread Jeff
Hi all. Installing a 2m repeater back into a higher/better location. The duplexer, (Wacom 641), was tuned and seemed to be operating perfectly. When moved to the new location, there was a lot of TX noise and desense introduced into the system. With a weak and STABLE portable station

[Repeater-Builder] Spectrum Communications

2007-04-24 Thread nn6j
Does anyone know about Spectrum Communications? I ordered a receiver from them over two months ago and have not received it as yet. I call almost every day to find out the status of the shipment and get nobody to answer the phone. I leave a message every time I call for Kevin to call me

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Spectrum Communications

2007-04-24 Thread Jim B.
nn6j wrote: Does anyone know about Spectrum Communications? I ordered a receiver from them over two months ago and have not received it as yet. I call almost every day to find out the status of the shipment and get nobody to answer the phone. I leave a message every time I call for Kevin

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Spectrum Communications

2007-04-24 Thread skipp025
As Jim pointed out... the problem(s) you report are frequent for the way Spectrum does business. The trick is to see if they charged your credit card or cashed a check for the order. You might need to reverse the charge before the credit card time limit is up. IE do it fast... s. nn6j

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Cross-band Repeating.

2007-04-24 Thread no6b
At 4/24/2007 07:34, you wrote: Jason Cato wrote: Can someone tell me what equipment I will need to cross band repeat a Uniden SMU4525KT UHF into an Icom 2100H VHF? I want to be able to move around my property with my H/T, and still be able to get into repeaters my H/T can't reach.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Spectrum Communications

2007-04-24 Thread bbedoe
In a message dated 4/24/2007 9:50:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone know about Spectrum Communications? Hi Joel, I read your post and the 1st thing that went thought my mind was, here we go again! That a side Users here have painted a poor

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Need VHF MSR2000 Repeater help (ahhhh! LMR-400 again)

2007-04-24 Thread skipp025
tomnevue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for all the input. I have some information now and I hope I'll have the rest tomorrow. Great... you've got questions..? We've got answers... Where have I heard that before? [major text edit (for sanity)] Repeater was at 155Mhz with a 700Khz

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Need VHF MSR2000 Repeater help - More MSR-2000 PA war stories

2007-04-24 Thread skipp025
More MSR-2000 PA war stories One other cute little MSR PA Section tidbit I didn't think to mention. Depending on which PA version and Model you have there... If the PA was ever operated into a reflective load without proper circulator - isolator type protection... then you can assume the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Need VHF MSR2000 Repeater help (ahhhh! LMR-400 again)

2007-04-24 Thread Ken Arck
At 08:37 AM 4/24/2007, you wrote: Great... you've got questions..? We've got answers... Where have I heard that before? -I walked into a Radio Joke store during the height of that particular ad campaign and the sales clerk actually parroted the slogan to me. The conversation went like

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Spectrum Communications RUN! Don't WALK!

2007-04-24 Thread Bill Hudson
Does anyone know about Spectrum Communications? Joel ~ RUN - and get your money back quickly. Do not walk. BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:;W6CBS FN:W6CBS ORG:Hudson Sports Productions TITLE:Broadcast Engineer TEL;WORK;VOICE:1-650-595-5566 TEL;PREF:1-650-595-5566

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Tuning By Ear?

2007-04-24 Thread Gary Schafer
Well, you kind of messed it up. Tuning the pass band for best received signal is ok but any time you move the pass band even a small amount you mess up the notches big time. Then when you tuned for minimum noise with the repeater transmitter on you probably moved the notches for best noise

[Repeater-Builder] quick question about spectrum analyzer noise floor

2007-04-24 Thread vintageaudio2004
I have a quick question for the group about the noise floor of a spectrum analyzer, hope that with the collective knowledge and experience somebody can help me out a bit. We have customer that needed a couple of site surveys done, in order to detect any possible interference sources on 3 segments

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Tuning By Ear?

2007-04-24 Thread Nate Duehr
On 4/24/07, Gary Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is best to check desense with the repeater on a dummy load to make sure that there are no antenna problems also. Yup. Go there first. Shouldn't have touched the duplexer until that test was done. Oh well. Nate WY0X

Re: [Repeater-Builder] quick question about spectrum analyzer noise floor

2007-04-24 Thread DCFluX
Remember, the narrower the bandwidth on something the more sensitivty it can get. Theoretical sensitivty is -174dB, problem is that is at 1Hz of bandwidth. I would recommend slowing the sweep rate, narrowing the IF filter and taking smaller sweeps at a time. a 100kHz sweep with 10kHz per division

Re: [Repeater-Builder] quick question about spectrum analyzer noise floor

2007-04-24 Thread Bob M.
As was previously posted, you need to slow down the sweep speed and/or narrow the resolution or video bandwidth, which may automatically slow down the sweep speed. The filtering is done digitally in most modern SAs, and this takes time, so the sweep is slowed down to accomodate this. You don't

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Need VHF MSR2000 Repeater help (ahhhh! LMR-400 again)

2007-04-24 Thread skipp025
As we heard on vintage Saturday Night Live shows... Never Mind... See what happens when you switch to decafe... If the coax you are using is RG-400 well then... probably not a major problem source. But never say never about pretty much anything. If the coax is LMR-400... then trash

RE: [Repeater-Builder] quick question about spectrum analyzer noise floor

2007-04-24 Thread Don KA9QJG
Can Someone Please put the Spectrum Analyzer thread in Layman Terms I have a Motorola Serv Monitor R2001C With the Analyzer and a Icom R-7000 Communications Receiver with a AVCOM Spectrum Analyzer I Can see 10 Mhz at a Time and I know that it’s nice to Find Signals. But I always thought

[Repeater-Builder] VoCom UHF amp

2007-04-24 Thread Al Wolfe
Group, I recently aquired a VoCom UHF amplifier, model UVC100-18R, with some other stuff. It is presently tuned to 464 mHz, at least according to its nameplate and its former usage. Can it be easily tuned to 444 mHz? Is tech data available somewhere? It seems that VoCom was

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Spectrum Communications

2007-04-24 Thread Joel Nadler
skipp, thanks for the idea. Do you have any suggestions as to which compay to order a receiver from. Our repeater is near other repeaters and we don't want any rf interference. Joel skipp025 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As Jim pointed out... the problem(s) you report are frequent

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Cross-band Repeating.

2007-04-24 Thread George Henry
I presume you are talking about the ham bands At the very least, for 1-way crossbanding the radio that will receive the signals from your HT must provide an carrier-detect output that will be used to key the other radio, and you must provide an audio path between the radios. For 2-way

Re: [Repeater-Builder] License renewal

2007-04-24 Thread Tom Manning
Hello Ralph Things have changed with ham radio and FCC. For a number of years the + on tech+ has been eliminated from a person's license. It can get to be a problem verifying you had passed the code and now it doesn't make any difference. For your info, if you are not aware, on Feb 23rd

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Cross-band Repeating.

2007-04-24 Thread Larry Rappaport
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 4/24/2007 07:34, you wrote: Jason Cato wrote: Can someone tell me what equipment I will need to cross band repeat a Uniden SMU4525KT UHF into an Icom 2100H VHF? I want to be able to move around my property with my H/T, and still be able to get

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Spectrum Communications

2007-04-24 Thread Jim Russell
I wish I had seen this posting a few months ago. Our club ordered a UHF system from Spectrum, we are having great difficulty getting them to deliver as promised. Jim, WK5Y Pres/Trustee Pittsburg County ARC McAlester, OK - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Spectrum Communications

2007-04-24 Thread Jay Urish
You should look into one of those MTR2000 rx's It looks like an mtr 2000 repeater, but has no tx and no pa.. just rock solid RX. One of the regulars on here could prolly come up with a model etc.. Joel Nadler wrote: skipp, thanks for the idea. Do you have any suggestions as to which

Re: [Repeater-Builder] quick question about spectrum analyzer noise floor

2007-04-24 Thread Nate Duehr
On 4/24/07, Don KA9QJG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can Someone Please put the Spectrum Analyzer thread in Layman Terms I have a Motorola Serv Monitor R2001C With the Analyzer and a Icom R-7000 Communications Receiver with a AVCOM Spectrum Analyzer I Can see 10 Mhz at a Time and I know that

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Need VHF MSR2000 Repeater help

2007-04-24 Thread kk2ed
Sounds more and more like the duplexer is not tuned as well as you were led to believe. Use two 2m ham rigs, one as a rx and one as a tx, into the duplexer, and let us know the results. I've also seen cans that looked good on a tracking generator but then worked horribly once on the antenna

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Spectrum Communications

2007-04-24 Thread Jay Urish
tisk tisk.. Shoulda asked... Jim Russell wrote: I wish I had seen this posting a few months ago. Our club ordered a UHF system from Spectrum, we are having great difficulty getting them to deliver as promised. Jim, WK5Y Pres/Trustee Pittsburg County ARC McAlester, OK

Re: [Repeater-Builder] VoCom UHF amp

2007-04-24 Thread Nate Duehr
On 4/24/07, Al Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Group, I recently aquired a VoCom UHF amplifier, model UVC100-18R, with some other stuff. It is presently tuned to 464 mHz, at least according to its nameplate and its former usage. The website shows that to order the Vocom line, you must

Re: [Repeater-Builder] quick question about spectrum analyzer noise floor

2007-04-24 Thread Bob Dengler
At 4/24/2007 09:50 AM, you wrote: Could anybody clarify how one does lower the noise floor of the analyzer? It was my understanding that the noise floor is a intrinsic characteristic of the instrument itself, and is so to say a measurement limit that cannot be varied without external aids (or

RE: [Repeater-Builder] quick question about spectrum analyzer noise floor

2007-04-24 Thread Bob Dengler
At 4/24/2007 11:31 AM, you wrote: Can Someone Please put the Spectrum Analyzer thread in Layman Terms I have a Motorola Serv Monitor R2001C With the Analyzer and a Icom R-7000 Communications Receiver with a AVCOM Spectrum Analyzer I Can see 10 Mhz at a Time and I know that it's nice to

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Spectrum Communications

2007-04-24 Thread Scott Zimmerman
Joel, We can help you out with any receiver you may need. Give us a call or e-mail: N3XCC at repeater-builder.com More info: www.repeater-builder.com/custombuilt Scott Repeater-builder.com (the company) Scott Zimmerman Amateur Radio Call N3XCC 612 Barnett Rd Boswell, PA 15531 -

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Need VHF MSR2000 Repeater help (ahhhh! LMR-400 again)

2007-04-24 Thread tomnevue
THANKS FOR THE REPLY. PLEASE SEE MY NOTES (CAPITALIZED). --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, skipp025 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tomnevue w2mn@ wrote: Thanks for all the input. I have some information now and I hope I'll have the rest tomorrow. Great... you've got questions..?

RE: [Repeater-Builder] quick question about spectrum analyzer noise floor

2007-04-24 Thread Gary Schafer
A spectrum analyzer is a receiver.. It gets tuned by an electronic sweep signal rather than by using a knob. The spectrum analyzer gets tuned from one part of the band to another part of the band (called sweep width) just the same as you would manually tune your receiver from say frequency A to B.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] VoCom UHF amp

2007-04-24 Thread Captainlance
I have several Vocom amps in service, Cresend backs them up 100%, their service and response is nothing less than fantastic. never had an issue with them. Lance N2HBA - Original Message - From: Nate Duehr To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 2:09

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Need VHF MSR2000 Repeater help (ahhhh! LMR-400 again)

2007-04-24 Thread Nate Duehr
On 4/24/07, tomnevue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the repeater randomly hangs and sometimes makes a loud growl sound when dropped. doesn't know the words WHEN ht STOPS SENDING, REPEATER SHOULD DROP BUT IT RANDOMLY HANGS (ON), THEN DROPS, AND OCCASIONALLY GOES BACK INTO TRANSMIT WITHOUT

[Repeater-Builder] Gleyayre Amp question - Anyone know this amp?

2007-04-24 Thread ve7ltd
I have aquired a glenayre amp that I know nothing about. The model number is GL-MCP21A. No matter where I search, I can not seem to find info on it. It is a 3U mount, with a really cool rotary fan in the front of the case. There is a power output reading on the front panel. It runs from 28V

[Repeater-Builder] The ongoing msr-2000 saga

2007-04-24 Thread skipp025
tomnevue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: THANKS FOR THE REPLY. PLEASE SEE MY NOTES (CAPITALIZED). SAME DUPLEXER. I'LL PARK IT AND KEEP WORKING ON THE REPEATER UNIT. Yep, you should solve the repeater problem before you deal with the duplexer. I HAVE NOT TOUCHED THE CABLES ON THE ORIGINAL MOTO

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Spectrum Communications

2007-04-24 Thread Maire-Radios
Well I would go with the Kenwood TKR-740 or TKR-840 for a high end unit. thanks John - Original Message - From: Joel Nadler To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Spectrum Communications skipp,

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Spectrum Communications

2007-04-24 Thread Maire-Radios
If you need a Kenwood or Icom unit let me know. John - Original Message - From: Jay Urish To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Spectrum Communications tisk tisk.. Shoulda asked... Jim Russell wrote:

[Repeater-Builder] Repeating D-Star

2007-04-24 Thread Steve Bosshard (NU5D)
Took a couple of antique GE Phoenix SX mobile radios. Programmed for 442.0/ 447.0. With TOT. Carrier Squelch - Took Receiver Un Squelched lead to PTT thru a one transistor keying transistor. Took VOL / SQ Hi and ran it thru a single common emitter stage - bipolar amp and applied the collector

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Spectrum Communications

2007-04-24 Thread Al Wolfe
Re: Spectrum Communications Posted by: Joel Nadler [EMAIL PROTECTED] nn6j Date: Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:53 am ((PDT)) skipp, thanks for the idea. Do you have any suggestions as to which compay to order a receiver from. Our repeater is near other repeaters and we don't want any rf

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Spectrum Communications

2007-04-24 Thread Bill Hudson
Did I miss it - or has anybody asked him what band he wants this receiver on ? CBS Bill ___ BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:;W6CBS FN:W6CBS ORG:Hudson Sports Productions TITLE:Broadcast Engineer TEL;WORK;VOICE:1-650-595-5566 TEL;PREF:1-650-595-5566 ADR;WORK:;1-650-595-5566;P O Box

[Repeater-Builder] Mototrbo

2007-04-24 Thread Al Wolfe
Not trying to be a spoil-sport, but since Mototrbo isn't a documented public protocol doesn't it fall under the encrypted transmission rules, and wouldn't be allowed in the Amateur bands? Actually, Mototrbo is based on a European digital standard using TDMA. Motorola is selling it here.

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Spectrum Communications

2007-04-24 Thread Ron Wright, Skywarn Coodinator
Joel, If you are looking for just a receiver Motorola made a nice Micor receiver in a 19 rack mount box. The only problem it was made to plug into their unified chassis mainly got get it power. I've taken these and built an AC supply inside. The box will hold a VHF or UHF receiver. I've

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Cross-band Repeating.

2007-04-24 Thread Ron Wright, Skywarn Coodinator
I sell a repeater controller that can be put in a crossband mode. The controller normally has a repeater port and a remote base port. However, when put into crossband mode each port is to be connected to a transceiver and when it gets input on one it keys the other, typical crossband

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Service Monitors with D-Star

2007-04-24 Thread Bryon Jeffers K0BSJ
OOp's My bad I realized it after I typed it. Too many acronyms... Bryon Jeffers KØBSJ At 09:00 AM 4/24/2007, you wrote: Bryon Jeffers K0BSJ wrote: Well I will agree with Nate on this one.. The crazy D-Star will only do it's AMBE digital and will not pass analog voice...

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Spectrum Communications

2007-04-24 Thread Maire-Radios
we have about 5 or 6 of them all with power supplies all with Micor receivers let me know what you need and I can get you a price. John - Original Message - From: Ron Wright, Skywarn Coodinator To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 7:20 PM

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Spectrum Communications

2007-04-24 Thread Maire-Radios
the other repeater we have is a Bridge Com System and had very good luck on the 2 meter band. John - Original Message - From: Maire-Radios To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Spectrum

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeating D-Star

2007-04-24 Thread Gary
Yes you are wrong. Motorola does not nor did they ever own the APCO Project 25 standard. Many multiband excitation technologies commonly used today are the property of Digital Voice System Inc. (DVSI). They license Motorola (and other manufactures) to use the designs in their P25 radio systems.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeating D-Star

2007-04-24 Thread Steve Bosshard (NU5D)
Thanks Gary, so what will it cost Mondo Ham to go out and buy a VHF P25 radio - portable - battery and charger antenna and speaker/mic new or used and the stuff to program it with? Thanks, Steve On 4/24/07, Gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes you are wrong. Motorola does not nor did they ever

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeating D-Star

2007-04-24 Thread Gary
I don't know. Like any other radio gear it depends on the brand, model, and how badly the seller wants to sell I guess. Motorola isn't the only maker offering P25 digital audio capable radios (we'll assume CAI/IMBE compatible). Icom, Kenwood, and others are also offering rigs and surplus stuff

[Repeater-Builder] Motorola R100 repeater

2007-04-24 Thread Mr John Lloyd
I have acquired a Motorola R100 repeater and I am trying to find out its capabilities. Do anyone know if the Motorola R100 repeater will tune down to the 434 MHz part of the amateur band? Will it program to an offset other than 5 Mhz? Is programming software available for this? Where can it be

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Micor RX frequency ranges?

2007-04-24 Thread N9WYS
Well, I just read through the article at http://www.repeater-builder.com/rbtip/uhfsensitronRX.html and it says that this mod is not necessary if the freq being received is above 445 MHz... My RX freq is 449.550, but I can’t get the current receiver sensitivity to tune any better than .6µV for

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeating D-Star

2007-04-24 Thread Bob Dengler
At 4/24/2007 05:17 PM, you wrote: I don't know. Like any other radio gear it depends on the brand, model, and how badly the seller wants to sell I guess. Motorola isn't the only maker offering P25 digital audio capable radios (we'll assume CAI/IMBE compatible). Icom, Kenwood, and others are

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Cross-band Repeating.

2007-04-24 Thread Jason Cato
Yes, I am talking about the ham bands, 70cm and 2m. I am using a dual band FT-60R as my H/T. I can receive the repeaters in question about 75% of the time, so I would be looking to operate full duplex. Also, I don't want to deal with feedback issues. Which wouldn't be an issue with the 60.

[Repeater-Builder] Reading Andrew cable date codes

2007-04-24 Thread chuckmf1135
Does anyone know how to decyper the Andrew date codes? Right now I have two date codes of LDF5, one is 00064-7 the other is 01065-6 ? I thought the -7 would be for 2007 but the cable is atleast 2 years old?

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola R100 repeater

2007-04-24 Thread kb5vjy
Howdy John, I too have the R100 repeater and though I havn't programmed it on ham freqs yet, it is a simple procedure from what I have read. First you must find the R100 program... (you can email me on this one) then you must modify it via a hex editor. There are a couple of lines you

[Repeater-Builder] Re: License renewal

2007-04-24 Thread Ron Wright, Skywarn Coodinator
Don, Actually the FCC stopped putting + on the Tech class a while back, but kept in their data base who had passed the code so they could do Novice and 10 meter HF work. As others have said now with the deletion of the code requirement the no-code-techs got the expanded previdledges of Novice

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola R100 repeater

2007-04-24 Thread Charles Mumphrey Kc5ozh
http://www.batlabs.com Charlie It is not the class of license the Amateur holds, but the class of the Amateur that holds the license. Charles Mumphrey Amateur Radio Station Kc5ozh Kc5ozh Rowlett Repeater: 441.325 MHz + 162.2 Kc5ozh Dallas Repeater: 441.950 MHz + 162.2 Kc5ozh Rowlett Repeater II:

[Repeater-Builder] Service monitor recommendation

2007-04-24 Thread Tim and Janet
I saw a past post about the HP8924C service monitor/CDMA test set. What are your thoughts about this unit? I would like to have my own service monitor but can't justify the high cost of the other portable units. I have seen some of these HP8924C units at a more reasonable price. My plans

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Service monitor recommendation

2007-04-24 Thread DCFluX
I have one and I highly recommend it. It is just like an HP-8920B only it does CDMA testing, so you don't have to use that portion of it. Be warned, it weighs 70 pounds and is not exactly a field unit. Without the high power option it is only rated to 2W on the RF In/Out port. Option 060 brings