Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 455khz filter for Mastr II discriminator audio

2008-06-08 Thread Doug
At 02:55 PM 31/05/2008, you wrote: Hello Ron, The audio emphasis for FM is a different issue. When I put the discriminator output from the Mastr II receiver on a analyzer you can clearly see a spike way out at 455khz which I believe is the IF frequency in the receiver. This controller has a

[Repeater-Builder] Re: 455khz filter for Mastr II discriminator audio

2008-06-08 Thread rtc_0001
One would think the input to your controller is already bandpass filtered for the super sonic audio frequencies it needs to perform squelch gating. Is there a possibility of a dc component on the tap-off point that is influencing the input to the controller or...is the tap off point at such a

[Repeater-Builder] Re: 455khz filter for Mastr II discriminator audio

2008-06-06 Thread Willis M. Hagler
I checked yesterday and we are getting audio off the Vol/Squelch Hi pin as most people do. We wired it up instead using the RUS signal and a transistor and disabled the smrt squelch in the controller and it's working like a champ! Yesterday myself and a couple other guys lugged this thing up

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 455khz filter for Mastr II discriminator audio

2008-06-06 Thread no6b
At 6/6/2008 14:42, you wrote: I checked yesterday and we are getting audio off the Vol/Squelch Hi pin as most people do. We wired it up instead using the RUS signal and a transistor and disabled the smrt squelch in the controller and it's working like a champ! I don't recall ever seeing any 455

[Repeater-Builder] Re: 455khz filter for Mastr II discriminator audio

2008-06-04 Thread Willis M. Hagler
Whoa, where did we get off on voters? I asked the question originally based on a conversation I had with Pacific Research. I'm using their RI-300e controller which has been a solid controller for me on several other repeaters, but I've never tried to interface to a Mastr II. With the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 455khz filter for Mastr II discriminator audio

2008-06-04 Thread Nate Duehr
Willis M. Hagler wrote: Whoa, where did we get off on voters? I asked the question originally based on a conversation I had with Pacific Research. I'm using their RI-300e controller which has been a solid controller for me on several other repeaters, but I've never tried to interface

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 455khz filter for Mastr II discriminator audio

2008-06-04 Thread Ralph Mowery
--- On Wed, 6/4/08, Willis M. Hagler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Willis M. Hagler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 455khz filter for Mastr II discriminator audio To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 5:54 PM Whoa, where did we get off

[Repeater-Builder] Re: 455khz filter for Mastr II discriminator audio

2008-06-04 Thread Willis M. Hagler
Thank you Nate, this is getting mainly to what I wanted to know (and am still interested to know) though. I'm already finished wiring up this controller using the RUS line + a NPN transistor to drive the CAS input on the controller for this particular project. At any rate the education about

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 455khz filter for Mastr II discriminator audio

2008-06-04 Thread Nate Duehr
Willis M. Hagler wrote: I'm not terribly familiar with the nuts bolts (so to speak) of the components so was unsure if the various styles of inductors all did the same thing and I was concerned once I looked and found what appears to be a pretty radical variance in size of available

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 455khz filter for Mastr II discriminator audio

2008-06-04 Thread Ron Wright
Willis, One point on inductors...they do have a frequency rating. This is because of the capacitance produced between the coil windings. This total cap and inductance can make the inductor become resonance and then start to look like a capacitor as one goes higher in freq. Same happens

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 455khz filter for Mastr II discriminator audio

2008-06-03 Thread Jeff DePolo
I'll put it on the analyzer again and look but I'm pretty sure there's a pronounced spike in the discriminator output up around 450khz. There is, without a doubt, some unexpected high frequency noise on the discriminator audio there that's throwing off the offboard squelch. Why in the world

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 455khz filter for Mastr II discriminator audio

2008-06-03 Thread Nate Duehr
Willis M. Hagler wrote: Well, I don't have many answers for you. I am new in this field and trying to learn and am sharing what I have heard from others who claim to have had this problem with a Mastr II. The gentleman at Pacific Research who manufactures the controller has write up on

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 455khz filter for Mastr II discriminator audio

2008-06-03 Thread Paul Plack
- Original Message - From: Nate Duehr To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 455khz filter for Mastr II discriminator audio Willis M. Hagler wrote: Well, I don't have many answers for you. I am new in this field

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 455khz filter for Mastr II discriminator audio

2008-06-03 Thread Nate Duehr
Paul Plack wrote: Nate, you're usually on the money with your observations, but I have to disagree here. I think I recall seeing circuit descriptions in service manuals which mention low-pass filtering to keep ultrasonics out of audio power amps. If you pick off a signal ahead of the audio

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 455khz filter for Mastr II discriminator audio

2008-06-03 Thread no6b
At 6/3/2008 14:25, you wrote: Willis M. Hagler wrote: Well, I don't have many answers for you. I am new in this field and trying to learn and am sharing what I have heard from others who claim to have had this problem with a Mastr II. The gentleman at Pacific Research who manufactures

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 455khz filter for Mastr II discriminator audio

2008-06-03 Thread Jeff DePolo
Since both you Jeff asked the same question, I thought I'd speculate. My question was rhetorical and tounge-in-cheek...I wasn't looking for an answer as I already knew it. Noise squelches generally start with a HPF of some sort followed by a detector post-detector filter. The cutoff

[Repeater-Builder] Re: 455khz filter for Mastr II discriminator audio

2008-06-02 Thread Willis M. Hagler
Hi Guys, Well, I don't have many answers for you. I am new in this field and trying to learn and am sharing what I have heard from others who claim to have had this problem with a Mastr II. The gentleman at Pacific Research who manufactures the controller has write up on this in their manual

[Repeater-Builder] Re: 455khz filter for Mastr II discriminator audio

2008-05-31 Thread Willis M. Hagler
Hello Ron, The audio emphasis for FM is a different issue. When I put the discriminator output from the Mastr II receiver on a analyzer you can clearly see a spike way out at 455khz which I believe is the IF frequency in the receiver. This controller has a auto-squelch feature (it does not use

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 455khz filter for Mastr II discriminator audio

2008-05-31 Thread Nate Duehr
Mark, Could you describe EXACTLY where on the MASTR II you are pulling audio from and what type of audio (discriminator/pre-emphasized or regular/ de-emphasized) your voter is expecting? Like everyone else who's responded so far, I've never seen and extra audio from the IF of a MASTR II

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 455khz filter for Mastr II discriminator audio

2008-05-31 Thread no6b
At 5/31/2008 13:55, you wrote: Hello Ron, The audio emphasis for FM is a different issue. When I put the discriminator output from the Mastr II receiver on a analyzer you can clearly see a spike way out at 455khz which I believe is the IF frequency in the receiver. This controller has a