[Repeater-Builder] Re: Desoldering MSR2000 RX PCB

2010-08-03 Thread wb6dgn


I'm not sure about the MSR2000, I was in the portable shop already, but, 
typically, Motorola uses multi-layer PC boards in most of their radios.  Often, 
one of those layers is mostly ground plane, a huge heat sink. It's not unusual 
to require a higher wattage iron to flow solder on a seemingly small trace on 
the surface (the heat is going into a massive piece of foil in one of the inner 
layers).  The only place, I'm aware of, that Motorola used a higher temperature 
solder (silver bearing) is on the ceramic substrates in the transmitters.  That 
to prevent the higher component temperatures from softening conventional 
(especially eutectic) solders.  My guess is you're just tangling with a big 
ground plane on an inner board layer.
Tom DGN

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Eric Grabowski ejgrabow...@... wrote:

 A recent thread discussed a problem disassembling a MSR2000 continuous duty 
 PA. That triggers this query: Does anyone know if Motorola used a higher 
 temperature solder on the MSR2000 units?
 
 My reason for asking is that this past weekend I had a hard time removing 
 three leaky electrolytic capacitors from a MSR2000 VHF receiver board. I 
 ended up using a 45 watt soldering pencil, which I only use for stubborn 
 jobs, but even it had a very hard time melting the solder on the positive 
 leads and didn't do anything for the leads soldered to ground. I've never 
 experienced this before on a PCB. In fact the 45 watt pencil usually works 
 well on double-sided PCBs with small to moderate groundplanes, although I'll 
 be the first to admit that it doesn't have enough heat to handle really 
 massive groundplanes found on some industrial PCBs. 
 
 I've replaced components on many a Micor and Mitrek mobile using my 15 and 20 
 watt soldering pencils without a problem, so this experience came as a 
 complete surprise. Any thoughts?
 
 73 and aloha, Eric KH6CQ





[Repeater-Builder] Re: Desoldering MSR2000 RX PCB

2010-08-03 Thread skipp025


 Thomas Oliver tsoli...@... wrote:
 For de-soldering I use a de-solder iron with a squeeze 
 bulb on it from 
 Radio Shack, works great.
 http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062731
 tom

Nice for most things but not removing the final modules from 
an MSR-2000 and/or Micor RF Power Amplifier.  You'd need a 
lot more mass.  

s. 



[Repeater-Builder] Re: Desoldering MSR2000 RX PCB

2010-08-03 Thread skipp025

 Eric Grabowski ejgrabow...@... wrote:
 A recent thread discussed a problem disassembling a 
 MSR2000 continuous duty PA. That triggers this query: 
 Does anyone know if Motorola used a higher temperature 
 solder on the MSR2000 units?

Yes
s. 





[Repeater-Builder] Re: Desoldering MSR2000 RX PCB

2010-08-03 Thread wb6dgn
What do they use?  What alloy?  Seems that radio was out too early for RoHS?
Tom DGN

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, skipp025 skipp...@... wrote:

 
  Eric Grabowski ejgrabowski@ wrote:
  A recent thread discussed a problem disassembling a 
  MSR2000 continuous duty PA. That triggers this query: 
  Does anyone know if Motorola used a higher temperature 
  solder on the MSR2000 units?
 
 Yes
 s.