[Repeater-Builder] Transmitter Combiner

2010-07-15 Thread na4it
Is there a cheap way to combine two txcvrs into one antenna... 144.39 APRS 
and 145.550 packet?



RE: [Repeater-Builder] Transmitter Combiner

2010-07-15 Thread Ross Johnson
You could try a duplexer? There's enough channel separation it should
work OK. Not sure what duplexer would be best for running duplex though
each side but I'm sure there out there.
73
Ross kc7rjk 
 
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Is there a cheap way to combine two txcvrs into one antenna... 144.39
APRS and 145.550 packet?



Re: [Repeater-Builder] Transmitter Combiner

2010-07-15 Thread MCH
About the only way is via a duplexer. (Cheap? Well... used??? ;- )

Joe M.

na4it wrote:
 Is there a cheap way to combine two txcvrs into one antenna... 144.39 APRS 
 and 145.550 packet?


Re: [Repeater-Builder] Transmitter Combiner

2010-07-15 Thread DCFluX
Maybe a pair of those 6 cavity mobile duplexers with the 5 MHz split
can be configured as 6 notch sections each to reject the opposite
frequency. and  then combine them with a T to the antenna.

Lossy, but should be cheap, I've seen those go in the $20 range.

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 1:49 PM, MCH m...@nb.net wrote:
 About the only way is via a duplexer. (Cheap? Well... used??? ;- )

 Joe M.

 na4it wrote:
 Is there a cheap way to combine two txcvrs into one antenna... 144.39 APRS 
 and 145.550 packet?


 



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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Transmitter Combiner

2010-07-15 Thread no6b
At 7/15/2010 13:53, you wrote:
Maybe a pair of those 6 cavity mobile duplexers with the 5 MHz split
can be configured as 6 notch sections each to reject the opposite
frequency. and  then combine them with a T to the antenna.

Even though they're notch duplexers, each side has a very weak pass 
response, just enough so that you can't use the low pass side as a high 
pass.  As a result, trying to use one as a 6-section notch filter by 
putting all the notches on the same frequency  using the TX  RX ports as 
input  output won't work, as it would have several dB of loss @ 5 MHz 
offset, even more @ ~1.2 MHz.

Another alternative to a full size 2 meter duplexer would be a dual 
isolator following by a pass cavity on each TX, then T the cans together 
using the correct phase-critical lengths of coax.  Might be cheaper if you 
happen to have an inexpensive source for 4 VHF isolators.

Bob NO6B



Re: [Repeater-Builder] Transmitter Combiner

2010-07-15 Thread DCFluX
I could live with 3dB of loss which is about what I would expect per
leg. I've ran the UHF notch duplexers back wards and they have ran
ok, but the insertion loss does go up like 1-2dB.

If you want to get picky you would have to modify each set so that the
coupling loops and coaxes are the same, but probably wouldn't be worth
the effort. That are modify the coaxes so the low frequency goes
through all 6 low notch cavities and the same for the high.

The isolator system is the way to go for repeaters, but not desireable
for simplex radios. You'd have to split out the seperate RX and TX
lines and then have a multicoupler and filter for the receivers and
another antenna.

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 6:10 PM,  n...@no6b.com wrote:
 At 7/15/2010 13:53, you wrote:
Maybe a pair of those 6 cavity mobile duplexers with the 5 MHz split
can be configured as 6 notch sections each to reject the opposite
frequency. and  then combine them with a T to the antenna.

 Even though they're notch duplexers, each side has a very weak pass
 response, just enough so that you can't use the low pass side as a high
 pass.  As a result, trying to use one as a 6-section notch filter by
 putting all the notches on the same frequency  using the TX  RX ports as
 input  output won't work, as it would have several dB of loss @ 5 MHz
 offset, even more @ ~1.2 MHz.

 Another alternative to a full size 2 meter duplexer would be a dual
 isolator following by a pass cavity on each TX, then T the cans together
 using the correct phase-critical lengths of coax.  Might be cheaper if you
 happen to have an inexpensive source for 4 VHF isolators.

 Bob NO6B



 



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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Transmitter Combiner

2010-07-15 Thread Dennis


DCFluX dcf...@gmail.com wrote:

Maybe a pair of those 6 cavity mobile duplexers with the 5 MHz split
can be configured as 6 notch sections each to reject the opposite
frequency. and  then combine them with a T to the antenna.

Lossy, but should be cheap, I've seen those go in the $20 range.

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 1:49 PM, MCH m...@nb.net wrote:
 About the only way is via a duplexer. (Cheap? Well... used??? ;- )

 Joe M.

 na4it wrote:
 Is there a cheap way to combine two txcvrs into one antenna... 144.39 
 APRS and 145.550 packet?


 



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