Re: [Repeater-Builder] question for commercial radio shops
More like, Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's... :-) Nate On Jul 16, 2010, at 4:23 PM, Pointman wrote: Perhaps a lesson from Confucius would be in order as well, later paraphrased by Jesus..Do NOT do unto others that which you would NOT like done to you. I think the Pastor might get the connection. Hmmm I hope. Paul / KM3W From: Joe k1ike_m...@snet.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, July 15, 2010 9:07:52 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] question for commercial radio shops I had a similar experience with a low power FM transmitter that a church put on the air. I started to get interference on my 6 meter repeater. It turned out that the local church moved their FM station to the tower that I am on and put their antenna on the top of the 300 foot tower 5 feet away from my 6 meter antenna. They never modified their license for the new location and were way over the height on the tower that they were licensed for. The problem was that I was running an ARR preamp that worked fine until the FM station caused overload. They ignored all that I warned them about and I ended up taking the preamp off. (I'm a guest on the tower and I'm not about to complain to the owner). Anyway, they are running more power then they are licensed for, too high on the tower for a low power lFM license, and never got licensed for the new location. All this for spreading the word of the Lord. They mean well, but seems ironic to me. 73, Joe, K1ike On 7/14/2010 10:46 PM, n5sx...@charter.net wrote: I would not do it. Explain that it is illegal, and could get him into serious trouble. And when he tries to hang the BUt its for a CHURCH CAMP guilt trip on you, remind him that Jesus told us to render to Cesar that which is Cesar's and unto the Lord that which is the Lord's.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] question for commercial radio shops
Perhaps a lesson from Confucius would be in order as well, later paraphrased by Jesus..Do NOT do unto others that which you would NOT like done to you. I think the Pastor might get the connection. Hmmm I hope. Paul / KM3W From: Joe k1ike_m...@snet.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, July 15, 2010 9:07:52 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] question for commercial radio shops I had a similar experience with a low power FM transmitter that a church put on the air. I started to get interference on my 6 meter repeater. It turned out that the local church moved their FM station to the tower that I am on and put their antenna on the top of the 300 foot tower 5 feet away from my 6 meter antenna. They never modified their license for the new location and were way over the height on the tower that they were licensed for. The problem was that I was running an ARR preamp that worked fine until the FM station caused overload. They ignored all that I warned them about and I ended up taking the preamp off. (I'm a guest on the tower and I'm not about to complain to the owner). Anyway, they are running more power then they are licensed for, too high on the tower for a low power lFM license, and never got licensed for the new location. All this for spreading the word of the Lord. They mean well, but seems ironic to me. 73, Joe, K1ike On 7/14/2010 10:46 PM, n5sx...@charter.net wrote: I would not do it. Explain that it is illegal, and could get him into serious trouble. And when he tries to hang the BUt its for a CHURCH CAMP guilt trip on you, remind him that Jesus told us to render to Cesar that which is Cesar's and unto the Lord that which is the Lord's.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] question for commercial radio shops
I had a similar experience with a low power FM transmitter that a church put on the air. I started to get interference on my 6 meter repeater. It turned out that the local church moved their FM station to the tower that I am on and put their antenna on the top of the 300 foot tower 5 feet away from my 6 meter antenna. They never modified their license for the new location and were way over the height on the tower that they were licensed for. The problem was that I was running an ARR preamp that worked fine until the FM station caused overload. They ignored all that I warned them about and I ended up taking the preamp off. (I'm a guest on the tower and I'm not about to complain to the owner). Anyway, they are running more power then they are licensed for, too high on the tower for a low power lFM license, and never got licensed for the new location. All this for spreading the word of the Lord. They mean well, but seems ironic to me. 73, Joe, K1ike On 7/14/2010 10:46 PM, n5sx...@charter.net wrote: I would not do it. Explain that it is illegal, and could get him into serious trouble. And when he tries to hang the BUt its for a CHURCH CAMP guilt trip on you, remind him that Jesus told us to render to Cesar that which is Cesar's and unto the Lord that which is the Lord's.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] question for commercial radio shops
On Jul 13, 2010, at 6:23 PM, KD5SFA wrote: If a person whom you knew and is involved in a number of church youth camps activities asked you to program FRS frequencies into a 4w UHF HT type accepted for LMR would you do so ? It would only be for extended range at camp. My gut is to tell him no... Sorry for the slightly off topic postI just need a little extra thought on the subject... Bad thing is the person asking is the captain of my Volunteer FD. 73, Jon No. I'd kindly explain that no matter how small, they would be putting me, my livelihood, and my business at risk of large fines by a Federal agency, and an easily-searchable violation stored online forever as long as I ran my business, that would become my reputation. -- Nate Duehr, WY0X n...@natetech.com
Re: [Repeater-Builder] question for commercial radio shops
I would not do it. Explain that it is illegal, and could get him into serious trouble. And when he tries to hang the BUt its for a CHURCH CAMP guilt trip on you, remind him that Jesus told us to render to Cesar that which is Cesar's and unto the Lord that which is the Lord's. Then suggest that either the church or the camp get a Licensed radio system and stay out of trouble with Cesar. You could also ask him how he would feel about allowing the church camp to use the fire radio system. After all its just a church camp! Its tough sometimes to be the lone right voice, when being right is unpopular, but if you start selling out your principles for the easy popular position, where does it end Jeff N5SXQ KD5SFA kd5...@gmail.com wrote: If a person whom you knew and is involved in a number of church youth camps activities asked you to program FRS frequencies into a 4w UHF HT type accepted for LMR would you do so ? It would only be for extended range at camp. My gut is to tell him no... Sorry for the slightly off topic postI just need a little extra thought on the subject... Bad thing is the person asking is the captain of my Volunteer FD. 73, Jon
[Repeater-Builder] question for commercial radio shops
If a person whom you knew and is involved in a number of church youth camps activities asked you to program FRS frequencies into a 4w UHF HT type accepted for LMR would you do so ? It would only be for extended range at camp. My gut is to tell him no... Sorry for the slightly off topic postI just need a little extra thought on the subject... Bad thing is the person asking is the captain of my Volunteer FD. 73, Jon
RE: [Repeater-Builder] question for commercial radio shops
I pastor a motorcycle ministry and have no problem saying no to illegal or fringe favors from fellow church members. I also try to help them find a legal solution to whatever problem/project they have. Good luck Kb0wlf -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater- buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of KD5SFA Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 7:24 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] question for commercial radio shops If a person whom you knew and is involved in a number of church youth camps activities asked you to program FRS frequencies into a 4w UHF HT type accepted for LMR would you do so ? It would only be for extended range at camp. My gut is to tell him no... Sorry for the slightly off topic postI just need a little extra thought on the subject... Bad thing is the person asking is the captain of my Volunteer FD. 73, Jon Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2962 - Release Date: 07/13/10 06:36:00
RE: [Repeater-Builder] question for commercial radio shops
I'd tell him no, because it is illegal. Richard, N7TGB www.n7tgb.net The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money --Margaret Thatcher _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of KD5SFA Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 5:24 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] question for commercial radio shops If a person whom you knew and is involved in a number of church youth camps activities asked you to program FRS frequencies into a 4w UHF HT type accepted for LMR would you do so ? It would only be for extended range at camp. My gut is to tell him no... Sorry for the slightly off topic postI just need a little extra thought on the subject... Bad thing is the person asking is the captain of my Volunteer FD. 73, Jon
Re: [Repeater-Builder] question for commercial radio shops
Thanks... I just wanted a quick gut check to make sure I wasn't being overly cautious... 73, Jon KD5SFA
Re: [Repeater-Builder] question for commercial radio shops
If everyone using them had a GMRS license (one license covers the family) you could probably get away with using GMRS frequencies, but not FRS. Some part 90 radios were certified for part 95 as well, mostly Kenwood I think. Motorola radios were not part 95 certified usually because of the digital capabilities (MDC, STAR) and Motorola didn't want to sell cheap radios, they're a bit greedy and wanted the big bucks from commercial. Of course, that doesn't stop some of us from using them anyway. In the end, it's up to you, but I would say no to FRS. An alternative may be to find some cheap MURS radios. They are license free and I think they're allowed up to 2 watts as opposed to the 500mw FRS. Also, if they are using bubble pack FRS radios on a channel higher than 7, chances are (if they are made within the last few years) they are just as powerful as the LMR radios. The only difference is usually the antenna, they probably have the equivalent to a stubby uhf antenna on the LMR radios, which does make a difference in range. I really do not think it would help the range too much, unless you're talking about using mobiles, then I would definitely say no to doing it. Jeff, KB1SPH / WQEX694 -- From: Chris Curtis demo...@rollanet.org Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 8:29 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] question for commercial radio shops I pastor a motorcycle ministry and have no problem saying no to illegal or fringe favors from fellow church members. I also try to help them find a legal solution to whatever problem/project they have. Good luck Kb0wlf -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater- buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of KD5SFA Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 7:24 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] question for commercial radio shops If a person whom you knew and is involved in a number of church youth camps activities asked you to program FRS frequencies into a 4w UHF HT type accepted for LMR would you do so ? It would only be for extended range at camp. My gut is to tell him no... Sorry for the slightly off topic postI just need a little extra thought on the subject... Bad thing is the person asking is the captain of my Volunteer FD. 73, Jon Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2962 - Release Date: 07/13/10 06:36:00 Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [Repeater-Builder] question for commercial radio shops
Explain to him that it's not legal, and tell him you would not be comfortable doing something that is not legal, as you could jeopardize your FCC license(s) which you have worked very hard to earn. You can even show him the Part 95 rules where it has the limitations on what equipment you can use - including the part about the antennas being non-removable. Joe M. KD5SFA wrote: If a person whom you knew and is involved in a number of church youth camps activities asked you to program FRS frequencies into a 4w UHF HT type accepted for LMR would you do so ? It would only be for extended range at camp. My gut is to tell him no... Sorry for the slightly off topic postI just need a little extra thought on the subject... Bad thing is the person asking is the captain of my Volunteer FD. 73, Jon Yahoo! Groups Links Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.783 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2746 - Release Date: 03/14/10 03:33:00
RE: [Repeater-Builder] question for commercial radio shops
Had a similar request from a large church that I was working Midnight Security for , They knew I was a Ham and They ask if I could set them up a FM Broadcast station , so when they have Plays and Service the Pastor could have someone Translate it to English for the Spanish spacing church members He would get some cheap FM type walkmans . I said sure Have you already applied for a lic or have one , He stated oh don't worry about that it will be low power and they would have Me find a clear spot . Well I politely told them My Ham Radio Lic would be at risk and I could not do it , So they had someone get on E-Bay and ordered a 25 Watt FM Transmitter and outside ant and have been on the Air for 2 Yrs . They have almost the coverage of My 2 Repeaters Good Luck Don KA9QJG PS Being a nice Person and helping do something illegal Can always come back in bite you in your A*^ I do not know of many Lic Two Way shops that will risk their Lic to do stuff like This , and Most for some reason Hate Ham Radio Operators for some reason They think We carry ourselves as knowing Everything where in the heck would they get that idea lol From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of MCH Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 8:38 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] question for commercial radio shops Explain to him that it's not legal, and tell him you would not be comfortable doing something that is not legal, as you could jeopardize your FCC license(s) which you have worked very hard to earn. You can even show him the Part 95 rules where it has the limitations on what equipment you can use - including the part about the antennas being non-removable. Joe M. KD5SFA wrote: If a person whom you knew and is involved in a number of church youth camps activities asked you to program FRS frequencies into a 4w UHF HT type accepted for LMR would you do so ? It would only be for extended range at camp. My gut is to tell him no... Sorry for the slightly off topic postI just need a little extra thought on the subject... Bad thing is the person asking is the captain of my Volunteer FD. 73, Jon
RE: [Repeater-Builder] question for commercial radio shops
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: kd5...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 00:23:43 + Subject: [Repeater-Builder] question for commercial radio shops If a person whom you knew and is involved in a number of church youth camps activities asked you to program FRS frequencies into a 4w UHF HT type accepted for LMR would you do so ? It would only be for extended range at camp. My gut is to tell him no... Sorry for the slightly off topic postI just need a little extra thought on the subject... Bad thing is the person asking is the captain of my Volunteer FD. 73, Jon Is it legal ? will you get bitten on the butt ? imho a two letter answer _ Need a new place to live? Find it on Domain.com.au http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157631292/direct/01/
