Re: Fw: [Repeater-Builder] Direct TV type dish?

[Tony King - W4ZT]

Oh what a waste, Neil ;)

73, Tony W4ZT

At 11:57 PM 10/25/2004, Neil McKie wrote:


   I got a 5' one outside in the shed - am thinking about making
  a bird bath out of it.

   One problem though, how to keep it from freezing ...

   Neil


Tony King - W4ZT wrote:
 
  Use a multiswitch.
 
  I'm working on a 48 dish right now for looking at 101 alone ;)  Hope
  to be rid of a LOT of rain fade.
 
  73, Tony W4ZT
 
  At 09:00 PM 10/23/2004, you wrote:
 
   Tom,
  
   a little help here?   if I am going to look at sat. A  and sat. B
   with 2 dish's  is there a way to hook them into the same input on
   one receiver?
  
   thanks John  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  
   - Original Message -
   From: TGundo 2003
   To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 11:16 PM
   Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Direct TV type dish?
  
   I work for a high-end Custom home electronics company and deal with
   directv all of the time. Heres a few bits you may or may not find
   intresting.
  
   1. Rain fade. Want to limit this? Put up three 1 meter dishes to
   look at the birds and have better signal reception. Yes, its an
   eyesore, but you hardly ever get rain fade!. The dishes are getting
   smaller and looking at three different positions in the sky, so they
   give up gain with the dish itself to look at all of these at the
   same time. They get away with this because the birds themselves are
   relativly high power. You can use up to a 1 meter dish to look at
   any one position in the sky and get much better signal, but not any
   bigger because again, the dish is too focused, At the 101 degree
   position there are actually three satellites which if I remember
   right are about 50 miles apart from each other in orbit, but at
   24000 miles away thats virtually a single point in the sky from
   here. However, a dish bigger than 1 meter can single out one of the
   satellites. For you who have directv and have looked at your signal
   meter, with a 1 meter dish setup almost all of the transp! onders
   will read 100 all of the time with clear skys or even light clouds,
   and you hear toto flying by when rain fade actually knocks the
   signal out all together.
  
   2. For long runs or commercial installs the standard is RG-11 coax
   to maintain signal level. There are amplifiers used for this as
   well. Stacker systems are becoming more common in MDU and high rise
   buildings. Basically, conventional satellite systems work 900 to
   1500 as noted in a previously. The issue is that the reciever has to
   send a signal to the dish to switch between the a and b lnbs to look
   at the different birds, they cant both come down the line at the
   same time because they are both oviously coming down at the same
   frequency. You cannot just split the signal to multiple recievers
   because they would battle for control over the dish as channels are
   changed. Because of that distribution of that to dozens of recievers
   in a large building starts to get complicated because of  the
   voltage switches needed to facilitate the switching. The Stacker
   system sends the second dish feed down at 1500- 2 gig, so that all
   of the signals are on the line at the same time,! a on 900-1500, b
   on 1500 - 2000. Many of the recievers out there already have tuners
   built in that can accept the wideband input, just a simple trip into
   the service menu on the box and turn it on! Now we can amplify and
   split as needed to feed as many as you want! But RG-11 and 2 gig
   rated splitters and amps are a must.
  
   Thats my two cents on the matter.
  
   Tom
   W9SRV
  
   bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
  
  
  

 From: russ
 Date: 2004/10/15 Fri AM 02:00:59 GMT
 To:
 Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Direct TV type dish?


 Hey Does any one know what frequency that the coax line
coming from the LNB's to the receiver is? On direct TV.
 73 Russ, W3CH

 yes the cable is rg6

  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
Yahoo! Groups Links
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
   Do you Yahoo!?
   Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
   -
   Yahoo! Groups Links
  
  * To visit your group on the web, go to:
  * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/
  *
  * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
  * [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  *
  * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.
  
 
  ---
  Yahoo! Groups Links
 
 * To visit your group on the web, go to:
   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/
 
 * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 * Your use of Yahoo! 

Re: Fw: [Repeater-Builder] Direct TV type dish?

[Neil McKie]

  I got a 5' one outside in the shed - am thinking about making 
 a bird bath out of it.  

  One problem though, how to keep it from freezing ... 

  Neil 


Tony King - W4ZT wrote:
 
 Use a multiswitch.
 
 I'm working on a 48 dish right now for looking at 101 alone ;)  Hope
 to be rid of a LOT of rain fade.
 
 73, Tony W4ZT
 
 At 09:00 PM 10/23/2004, you wrote:
 
  Tom,
 
  a little help here?   if I am going to look at sat. A  and sat. B
  with 2 dish's  is there a way to hook them into the same input on
  one receiver?
 
  thanks John  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: TGundo 2003
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 11:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Direct TV type dish?
 
  I work for a high-end Custom home electronics company and deal with
  directv all of the time. Heres a few bits you may or may not find
  intresting.
 
  1. Rain fade. Want to limit this? Put up three 1 meter dishes to
  look at the birds and have better signal reception. Yes, its an
  eyesore, but you hardly ever get rain fade!. The dishes are getting
  smaller and looking at three different positions in the sky, so they
  give up gain with the dish itself to look at all of these at the
  same time. They get away with this because the birds themselves are
  relativly high power. You can use up to a 1 meter dish to look at
  any one position in the sky and get much better signal, but not any
  bigger because again, the dish is too focused, At the 101 degree
  position there are actually three satellites which if I remember
  right are about 50 miles apart from each other in orbit, but at
  24000 miles away thats virtually a single point in the sky from
  here. However, a dish bigger than 1 meter can single out one of the
  satellites. For you who have directv and have looked at your signal
  meter, with a 1 meter dish setup almost all of the transp! onders
  will read 100 all of the time with clear skys or even light clouds,
  and you hear toto flying by when rain fade actually knocks the
  signal out all together.
 
  2. For long runs or commercial installs the standard is RG-11 coax
  to maintain signal level. There are amplifiers used for this as
  well. Stacker systems are becoming more common in MDU and high rise
  buildings. Basically, conventional satellite systems work 900 to
  1500 as noted in a previously. The issue is that the reciever has to
  send a signal to the dish to switch between the a and b lnbs to look
  at the different birds, they cant both come down the line at the
  same time because they are both oviously coming down at the same
  frequency. You cannot just split the signal to multiple recievers
  because they would battle for control over the dish as channels are
  changed. Because of that distribution of that to dozens of recievers
  in a large building starts to get complicated because of  the
  voltage switches needed to facilitate the switching. The Stacker
  system sends the second dish feed down at 1500- 2 gig, so that all
  of the signals are on the line at the same time,! a on 900-1500, b
  on 1500 - 2000. Many of the recievers out there already have tuners
  built in that can accept the wideband input, just a simple trip into
  the service menu on the box and turn it on! Now we can amplify and
  split as needed to feed as many as you want! But RG-11 and 2 gig
  rated splitters and amps are a must.
 
  Thats my two cents on the matter.
 
  Tom
  W9SRV
 
  bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
   
From: russ
Date: 2004/10/15 Fri AM 02:00:59 GMT
To:
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Direct TV type dish?
   
   
Hey Does any one know what frequency that the coax line
   coming from the LNB's to the receiver is? On direct TV.
73 Russ, W3CH
   
yes the cable is rg6
   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   Yahoo! Groups Links
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  Do you Yahoo!?
  Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  -
  Yahoo! Groups Links
 
 * To visit your group on the web, go to:
 * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/
 *
 * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
 * [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 *
 * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
   Service.
 
 
 ---
 Yahoo! Groups Links
 
* To visit your group on the web, go to:
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/
 
* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
  Service.





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

* To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:

Re: Fw: [Repeater-Builder] Direct TV type dish?

[Neil McKie]

  Thank you for your opinion ... g 

  Neil 


Tony King - W4ZT wrote:
 
 Oh what a waste, Neil ;)
 
 73, Tony W4ZT
 
 At 11:57 PM 10/25/2004, Neil McKie wrote:
 
I got a 5' one outside in the shed - am thinking about making
   a bird bath out of it.
 
One problem though, how to keep it from freezing ...
 
Neil
 
 
 Tony King - W4ZT wrote:
  
   Use a multiswitch.
  
   I'm working on a 48 dish right now for looking at 101 alone ;)  Hope
   to be rid of a LOT of rain fade.
  
   73, Tony W4ZT
  
   At 09:00 PM 10/23/2004, you wrote:
  
Tom,
   
a little help here?   if I am going to look at sat. A  and sat. B
with 2 dish's  is there a way to hook them into the same input on
one receiver?
   
thanks John  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
   
- Original Message -
From: TGundo 2003
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Direct TV type dish?
   
I work for a high-end Custom home electronics company and deal with
directv all of the time. Heres a few bits you may or may not find
intresting.
   
1. Rain fade. Want to limit this? Put up three 1 meter dishes to
look at the birds and have better signal reception. Yes, its an
eyesore, but you hardly ever get rain fade!. The dishes are getting
smaller and looking at three different positions in the sky, so they
give up gain with the dish itself to look at all of these at the
same time. They get away with this because the birds themselves are
relativly high power. You can use up to a 1 meter dish to look at
any one position in the sky and get much better signal, but not any
bigger because again, the dish is too focused, At the 101 degree
position there are actually three satellites which if I remember
right are about 50 miles apart from each other in orbit, but at
24000 miles away thats virtually a single point in the sky from
here. However, a dish bigger than 1 meter can single out one of the
satellites. For you who have directv and have looked at your signal
meter, with a 1 meter dish setup almost all of the transp! onders
will read 100 all of the time with clear skys or even light clouds,
and you hear toto flying by when rain fade actually knocks the
signal out all together.
   
2. For long runs or commercial installs the standard is RG-11 coax
to maintain signal level. There are amplifiers used for this as
well. Stacker systems are becoming more common in MDU and high rise
buildings. Basically, conventional satellite systems work 900 to
1500 as noted in a previously. The issue is that the reciever has to
send a signal to the dish to switch between the a and b lnbs to look
at the different birds, they cant both come down the line at the
same time because they are both oviously coming down at the same
frequency. You cannot just split the signal to multiple recievers
because they would battle for control over the dish as channels are
changed. Because of that distribution of that to dozens of recievers
in a large building starts to get complicated because of  the
voltage switches needed to facilitate the switching. The Stacker
system sends the second dish feed down at 1500- 2 gig, so that all
of the signals are on the line at the same time,! a on 900-1500, b
on 1500 - 2000. Many of the recievers out there already have tuners
built in that can accept the wideband input, just a simple trip into
the service menu on the box and turn it on! Now we can amplify and
split as needed to feed as many as you want! But RG-11 and 2 gig
rated splitters and amps are a must.
   
Thats my two cents on the matter.
   
Tom
W9SRV
   
bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   
   
   
   
 
  From: russ
  Date: 2004/10/15 Fri AM 02:00:59 GMT
  To:
  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Direct TV type dish?
 
 
  Hey Does any one know what frequency that the coax line
 coming from the LNB's to the receiver is? On direct TV.
  73 Russ, W3CH
 
  yes the cable is rg6
 
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
 Yahoo! Groups Links
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
Do you Yahoo!?
Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now.
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
-
Yahoo! Groups Links
   
   * To visit your group on the web, go to:
   * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/
   *
   * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
   * [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   *
   * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
 Service.
   
  
   ---
   

Re: Fw: [Repeater-Builder] Direct TV type dish?

[TGundo 2003]

We use a Terk BMS 58 multiswitch for the most part. They retail for 129, you can find them on amazon.com for 85 i believe.If you need to put up the third dish for sat C and combine it in, you will need a Sat C kit. This is simply a 2-gig 2 way combiner. Itcombines oneof the feedsfromB with the feed from C. A and B have 2 feeds (one for each polarity) and C only has one. One of the polarities (pardon the spelling)on B only utilizes half or so of the available transponders, so C fills up the other half. The multiswitch (or voltage switch) locks each input to one of the four signals coming from the dishes. It then routes the incoming feeds to the outputs that call for them. One polarity operates at 13V, the other at 18V, so your satellite receiver will send out the appropriate voltage for the the polarity it needs. But wait- you say- there are 4 inputs and only 2 voltages, how can this possibly work??? Simple. A 22 kHz tone is sent when the
 receiver needs the second satellite feed. When you flip through your signal meter and look at the transponders, all of the odd numbered ones are one polarity, and all of the even are the other. This is all useful info when you are troubleshooting.

As for the antenna input on the multiswitch-- NEVER USE IT! Typically there is 12-18 dB of loss through a multiswitch. If you need to use one coax, use a diplexers to combine it after the switch.

Good luck with the 48" dish. Let me know if it all works out fine. If you find you are missing some channels or transponders for some reason it may be that the the dish is too big and focused and you are missing one or more of the birds at 101. There are three just at 101.

As for the competition between directv and dish- they can still get along with each other. How do I know this- you ask? The 110 (C) sat is shared by both Directv and Dish Network in perfect harmony.

I thank everyone for putting up with this off the topic thread as well. If it makes any difference I am working on my Mitrek Repeater project right now as I write this. I was able to borrow a spectrum analyzer so I just finished tuning the duplexer. Nice to have the right tools for the job.

Thanks!

Tom
W9SRVTony King - W4ZT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I haven't combined dishes YET... the multiswitch I have is for a single dual LNB but there are 5x8 multiswitches out there that claim 4 LNB plus antenna input for 8 outputs. Do a Google search on "directv multiswitch" and you'll get thousands of hits, mostly folks selling them. Just be sure that you get one designed for Directv control. Perhaps Tom or one of the other guys will have a suggestion for one they've used. I'd be interested in their ideas too. Right now I am not looking for multiple satellites, rather very solid signal from one, to get rid of as much rain fade as possible.Thanks to the group for tolerating this slightly off topic thread :)73, Tony W4ZTAt 11:00 AM 10/24/2004, Maire Company wrote:
What direction would I go to look for one. any model you have the best luck with? thanks 

- Original Message - 
From: Tony King - W4ZT 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 10:14 PM 
Subject: Re: Fw: [Repeater-Builder] Direct TV type dish?
Use a multiswitch.
I'm working on a 48" dish right now for looking at 101 alone ;) Hope to be rid of a LOT of rain fade.
73, Tony W4ZT
At 09:00 PM 10/23/2004, you wrote: 

Tom, 

a little help here? if I am going to look at sat. A and sat. B with 2 dish's is there a way to hook them into the same input on one receiver? 

thanks John [EMAIL PROTECTED] 


- Original Message - 
From: TGundo 2003 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 11:16 PM 
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Direct TV type dish?
I work for a high-end Custom home electronics company and deal with directv all of the time. Heres a few bits you may or may not find intresting. 

1. Rain fade. Want to limit this? Put up three 1 meter dishes to look at the birds and have better signal reception. Yes, its an eyesore, but you hardly ever get rain fade!. The dishes are getting smaller and looking at three different positions in the sky, so they give up gain with the dish itself to look at all of these at the same time. They get away with this because the birds themselves are relativly high power. You can use up to a 1 meter dish to look at any one position in the sky and get much better signal, but not any bigger because again, the dish is too focused, At the 101 degree position there are actually three satellites which if I remember right are about 50 miles apart from each other in orbit, but at 24000 miles away thats virtually a single point in the sky from here. However, a dish bigger than 1 meter can single out one of the satellites. For you who have directv and have looked at your signal meter, with a 1 meter dish setup almost all of the transp! ond! ers
 will read 100 all of the time with clear skys or even light cloud

Re: Fw: [Repeater-Builder] Direct TV type dish?

[Mark Holman]

It seems like there would be a 
supplier for CATV MATV Distribution Systems I think Macomm may carry it, and 
Magnavox , Menards sells them, also some of the other Home Builders Like Depot 
 Lowes, and weather their specs is good I have not a clue.



MH

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Tony 
  King - W4ZT 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 10:14 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Fw: [Repeater-Builder] 
  Direct TV type dish?
  Use a multiswitch.I'm working on a 48" dish right now 
  for looking at 101 alone ;) Hope to be rid of a LOT of rain 
  fade.73, Tony W4ZTAt 09:00 PM 10/23/2004, you wrote:
  Tom,a 
little help here? if I am going to look at sat. A and sat. 
B with 2 dish's is there a way to hook them into the same input on one 
receiver?thanks 
John [EMAIL PROTECTED]- 
Original Message - From: TGundo 2003 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 11:16 PMSubject: Re: 
[Repeater-Builder] Direct TV type dish?I work for a high-end Custom 
home electronics company and deal with directv all of the time. Heres a few 
bits you may or may not find intresting.1. Rain fade. Want to 
limit this? Put up three 1 meter dishes to look at the birds and have better 
signal reception. Yes, its an eyesore, but you hardly ever get rain fade!. 
The dishes are getting smaller and looking at three different positions in 
the sky, so they give up gain with the dish itself to look at all of these 
at the same time. They get away with this because the birds themselves are 
relativly high power. You can use up to a 1 meter dish to look at any one 
position in the sky and get much better signal, but not any bigger because 
again, the dish is too focused, At the 101 degree position there are 
actually three satellites which if I remember right are about 50 miles apart 
from each other in orbit, but at 24000 miles away thats virtually a single 
point in the sky from here. However, a dish bigger than 1 meter can single 
out one of the satellites. For you who have directv and have looked at your 
signal meter, with a 1 meter dish setup almost all of the transp! onders 
will read 100 all of the time with clear skys or even light clouds, and you 
hear toto flying by when rain fade actually knocks the signal out all 
together.2. For long runs or commercial installs the standard 
is RG-11 coax to maintain signal level. There are amplifiers used for this 
as well. Stacker systems are becoming more common in MDU and high rise 
buildings. Basically, conventional satellite systems work 900 to 1500 as 
noted in a previously. The issue is that the reciever has to send a signal 
to the dish to switch between the a and b lnbs to look at the different 
birds, they cant both come down the line at the same time because they are 
both oviously coming down at the same frequency. You cannot just "split" the 
signal to multiple recievers because they would battle for control over the 
dish as channels are changed. Because of that distribution of that to dozens 
of recievers in a large building starts to get complicated because of 
the voltage switches needed to facilitate the switching. The Stacker system 
sends the second dish feed down at 1500- 2 gig, so that all of the signals 
are on the line at the same time,! a on 900-1500, b on 1500 - 2000. Many of 
the recievers out there already have tuners built in that can accept the 
wideband input, just a simple trip into the service menu on the box and turn 
it on! Now we can amplify and split as needed to feed as many as you want! 
But RG-11 and 2 gig rated splitters and amps are a must. Thats 
my two cents on the matter.TomW9SRVbob 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

   
   From: "russ" 
   Date: 2004/10/15 Fri AM 02:00:59 GMT 
   To: 
   Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Direct TV type dish? 
   
   
   Hey Does any one know what frequency that the coax line coming 
  from the LNB's to the receiver is? On direct TV. 
   73 Russ, W3CH 
   
   yes the cable is rg6 
   
  
  Yahoo! Groups Links
  * To visit your group on the web, go to: 
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/
  * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: 
  http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/Do 
you Yahoo!?Y! 
Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. 


Yahoo! Groups Links 

  To visit your group on the web, go to: 
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ 

   
  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

   
  Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. 

Fw: [Repeater-Builder] Direct TV type dish?

[Maire Company]

Tom,

a little help here? if I am 
going to look at sat. A and sat. B with 2 dish's is there a way to 
hook them into the same input on one receiver?

thanks John [EMAIL PROTECTED]


- Original Message - 
From: TGundo 2003 

To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Direct TV type dish?

I work for a high-end Custom home electronics company and deal with directv 
all of the time. Heres a few bits you may or may not find intresting.

1. Rain fade. Want to limit this? Put up three 1 meter dishes to look at 
the birds and have better signal reception. Yes, its an eyesore, but you hardly 
ever get rain fade!. The dishes are getting smaller and looking at three 
different positions in the sky, so they give up gain with the dish itself to 
look at all of these at the same time. They get away with this because the birds 
themselves are relativly high power. You can use up to a 1 meter dish to look at 
any one position in the sky and get much better signal, but not any bigger 
because again, the dish is too focused, At the 101 degree position there are 
actually three satellites which if I remember right are about 50 miles apart 
from each other in orbit, but at 24000 miles away thats virtually a single point 
in the sky from here. However, a dish bigger than 1 meter can single out one of 
the satellites. For you who have directv and have looked at your signal meter, 
with a 1 meter dish setup almost all of the transp! onders will read 100 all of 
the time with clear skys or even light clouds, and you hear toto flying by when 
rain fade actually knocks the signal out all together.

2. For long runs or commercial installs the standard is RG-11 coax to 
maintain signal level. There are amplifiers used for this as well. Stacker 
systems are becoming more common in MDU and high rise buildings. Basically, 
conventional satellite systems work 900 to 1500 as noted in a previously. The 
issue is that the reciever has to send a signal to the dish to switch between 
the a and b lnbs to look at the different birds, they cant both come down the 
line at the same time because they are both oviously coming down at the same 
frequency. You cannot just "split" the signal to multiple recievers because they 
would battle for control over the dish as channels are changed. Because of that 
distribution of that to dozens of recievers in a large building starts to get 
complicated because of the voltage switches needed to facilitate the 
switching. The Stacker system sends the second dish feed down at 1500- 2 gig, so 
that all of the signals are on the line at the same time,! a on 900-1500, b on 
1500 - 2000. Many of the recievers out there already have tuners built in that 
can accept the wideband input, just a simple trip into the service menu on the 
box and turn it on! Now we can amplify and split as needed to feed as many as 
you want! But RG-11 and 2 gig rated splitters and amps are a must. 

Thats my two cents on the matter.

Tom
W9SRVbob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   From: "russ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 2004/10/15 Fri AM 02:00:59 
  GMT To:  Subject: 
  [Repeater-Builder] Direct TV type dish?   Hey Does any 
  one know what frequency that the coax line coming from the LNB's to the 
  receiver is? On direct TV. 73 Russ, W3CH  yes the 
  cable is rg6 Yahoo! Groups 
  Links* To visit your group on the web, go 
  to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/* To 
  unsubscribe from this group, send an email 
  to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use 
  of Yahoo! Groups is subject 
  to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/


Do you Yahoo!?Y! 
Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. 














Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/
To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

Re: Fw: [Repeater-Builder] Direct TV type dish?

[Tony King - W4ZT]

Use a multiswitch.

I'm working on a 48 dish right now for looking at 101 alone
;) Hope to be rid of a LOT of rain fade.

73, Tony W4ZT


At 09:00 PM 10/23/2004, you wrote:
Tom,

a little help here? if I
am going to look at sat. A and sat. B with 2 dish's is there
a way to hook them into the same input on one receiver?

thanks
John
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


- Original Message - 
From: TGundo 2003 
To:
Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Direct TV type dish?

I work for a high-end Custom home electronics company and deal with directv all of the time. Heres a few bits you may or may not find intresting.

1. Rain fade. Want to limit this? Put up three 1 meter dishes to look at the birds and have better signal reception. Yes, its an eyesore, but you hardly ever get rain fade!. The dishes are getting smaller and looking at three different positions in the sky, so they give up gain with the dish itself to look at all of these at the same time. They get away with this because the birds themselves are relativly high power. You can use up to a 1 meter dish to look at any one position in the sky and get much better signal, but not any bigger because again, the dish is too focused, At the 101 degree position there are actually three satellites which if I remember right are about 50 miles apart from each other in orbit, but at 24000 miles away thats virtually a single point in the sky from here. However, a dish bigger than 1 meter can single out one of the satellites. For you who have directv and have looked at your signal meter, with a 1 meter dish setup almost all of the transp! onders will read 100 all of the time with clear skys or even light clouds, and you hear toto flying by when rain fade actually knocks the signal out all together.

2. For long runs or commercial installs the standard is RG-11 coax to maintain signal level. There are amplifiers used for this as well. Stacker systems are becoming more common in MDU and high rise buildings. Basically, conventional satellite systems work 900 to 1500 as noted in a previously. The issue is that the reciever has to send a signal to the dish to switch between the a and b lnbs to look at the different birds, they cant both come down the line at the same time because they are both oviously coming down at the same frequency. You cannot just split the signal to multiple recievers because they would battle for control over the dish as channels are changed. Because of that distribution of that to dozens of recievers in a large building starts to get complicated because of the voltage switches needed to facilitate the switching. The Stacker system sends the second dish feed down at 1500- 2 gig, so that all of the signals are on the line at the same time,! a on 900-1500, b on 1500 - 2000. Many of the recievers out there already have tuners built in that can accept the wideband input, just a simple trip into the service menu on the box and turn it on! Now we can amplify and split as needed to feed as many as you want! But RG-11 and 2 gig rated splitters and amps are a must. 

Thats my two cents on the matter.

Tom
W9SRV

bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





 
 From: russ 
 Date: 2004/10/15 Fri AM 02:00:59 GMT
 To: 
 Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Direct TV type dish?
 
 
 Hey Does any one know what frequency that the coax line coming from the LNB's to the receiver is? On direct TV.
 73 Russ, W3CH
 
 yes the cable is rg6
 


















Yahoo! Groups Links


* To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/


* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/









Do you Yahoo!?
Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. 













Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/
 
To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. 














Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/
To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

Re: Fw: [Repeater-Builder] Direct TV type dish?

[Maire Company]

What direction would I go to look for 
one. any model you have the best luck with? thanks 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Tony 
  King - W4ZT 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 10:14 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Fw: [Repeater-Builder] 
  Direct TV type dish?
  Use a multiswitch.I'm working on a 48" dish right now 
  for looking at 101 alone ;) Hope to be rid of a LOT of rain 
  fade.73, Tony W4ZTAt 09:00 PM 10/23/2004, you wrote:
  Tom,a 
little help here? if I am going to look at sat. A and sat. 
B with 2 dish's is there a way to hook them into the same input on one 
receiver?thanks 
John [EMAIL PROTECTED]- 
Original Message - From: TGundo 2003 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 11:16 PMSubject: Re: 
[Repeater-Builder] Direct TV type dish?I work for a high-end Custom 
home electronics company and deal with directv all of the time. Heres a few 
bits you may or may not find intresting.1. Rain fade. Want to 
limit this? Put up three 1 meter dishes to look at the birds and have better 
signal reception. Yes, its an eyesore, but you hardly ever get rain fade!. 
The dishes are getting smaller and looking at three different positions in 
the sky, so they give up gain with the dish itself to look at all of these 
at the same time. They get away with this because the birds themselves are 
relativly high power. You can use up to a 1 meter dish to look at any one 
position in the sky and get much better signal, but not any bigger because 
again, the dish is too focused, At the 101 degree position there are 
actually three satellites which if I remember right are about 50 miles apart 
from each other in orbit, but at 24000 miles away thats virtually a single 
point in the sky from here. However, a dish bigger than 1 meter can single 
out one of the satellites. For you who have directv and have looked at your 
signal meter, with a 1 meter dish setup almost all of the transp! ond! ers 
will read 100 all of the time with clear skys or even light clouds, and you 
hear toto flying by when rain fade actually knocks the signal out all 
together.2. For long runs or commercial installs the standard 
is RG-11 coax to maintain signal level. There are amplifiers used for this 
as well. Stacker systems are becoming more common in MDU and high rise 
buildings. Basically, conventional satellite systems work 900 to 1500 as 
noted in a previously. The issue is that the reciever has to send a signal 
to the dish to switch between the a and b lnbs to look at the different 
birds, they cant both come down the line at the same time because they are 
both oviously coming down at the same frequency. You cannot just "split" the 
signal to multiple recievers because they would battle for control over the 
dish as channels are changed. Because of that distribution of that to dozens 
of recievers in a large building starts to get complicated because of 
the voltage switches needed to facilitate the switching. The Stacker system 
sends the second dish feed down at 1500- 2 gig, so that all of the signals 
are on the line at the same ! time,! a on 900-1500, b on 1500 - 2000. Many 
of the recievers out there already have tuners built in that can accept the 
wideband input, just a simple trip into the service menu on the box and turn 
it on! Now we can amplify and split as needed to feed as many as you want! 
But RG-11 and 2 gig rated splitters and amps are a must. Thats 
my two cents on the matter.TomW9SRVbob 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

   
   From: "russ" 
   Date: 2004/10/15 Fri AM 02:00:59 GMT 
   To: 
   Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Direct TV type dish? 
   
   
   Hey Does any one know what frequency that the coax line coming 
  from the LNB's to the receiver is? On direct TV. 
   73 Russ, W3CH 
   
   yes the cable is rg6 
   
  
  Yahoo! Groups Links
  * To visit your group on the web, go to: 
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/
  * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: 
  http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/Do 
you Yahoo!?Y! 
Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. 


Yahoo! Groups Links 

  To visit your group on the web, go to: 
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ 

   
  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

   
  Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. 














Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/
To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[

Re: Fw: [Repeater-Builder] Direct TV type dish?

[Tony King - W4ZT]

I haven't combined dishes YET... the multiswitch I have is for a single
dual LNB but there are 5x8 multiswitches out there that claim 4 LNB plus
antenna input for 8 outputs. Do a Google search on directv
multiswitch and you'll get thousands of hits, mostly folks selling
them. Just be sure that you get one designed for Directv control. Perhaps
Tom or one of the other guys will have a suggestion for one they've used.
I'd be interested in their ideas too. Right now I am not looking
for multiple satellites, rather very solid signal from one, to get rid of
as much rain fade as possible.

Thanks to the group for tolerating this slightly off topic thread 
:)

73, Tony W4ZT

At 11:00 AM 10/24/2004, Maire Company wrote:
What
direction would I go to look for one. any model you have the best
luck with? thanks 

- Original Message - 
From: Tony King - W4ZT 
To:
Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 10:14 PM 
Subject: Re: Fw: [Repeater-Builder] Direct TV type dish?


Use a multiswitch.


I'm working on a 48 dish right now for looking at 101 alone
;) Hope to be rid of a LOT of rain fade.


73, Tony W4ZT






At 09:00 PM 10/23/2004, you
wrote:
Tom, 
 
a little help here? if I am going to look at sat. A
and sat. B with 2 dish's is there a way to hook them into the same
input on one receiver? 
 
thanks John
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
 
- Original Message - 
From: TGundo 2003 
To:
Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 11:16 PM 
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Direct TV type dish?


I work for a high-end Custom home electronics company and deal with
directv all of the time. Heres a few bits you may or may not find
intresting. 
 
1. Rain fade. Want to limit this? Put up three 1 meter dishes to look
at the birds and have better signal reception. Yes, its an eyesore, but
you hardly ever get rain fade!. The dishes are getting smaller and
looking at three different positions in the sky, so they give up gain
with the dish itself to look at all of these at the same time. They get
away with this because the birds themselves are relativly high power. You
can use up to a 1 meter dish to look at any one position in the sky and
get much better signal, but not any bigger because again, the dish is too
focused, At the 101 degree position there are actually three satellites
which if I remember right are about 50 miles apart from each other in
orbit, but at 24000 miles away thats virtually a single point in the sky
from here. However, a dish bigger than 1 meter can single out one of the
satellites. For you who have directv and have looked at your signal
meter, with a 1 meter dish setup almost all of the transp! ond! ers will
read 100 all of the time with clear skys or even light clouds, and you
hear toto flying by when rain fade actually knocks the signal out all
together. 
 
2. For long runs or commercial installs the standard is RG-11 coax to
maintain signal level. There are amplifiers used for this as well.
Stacker systems are becoming more common in MDU and high rise buildings.
Basically, conventional satellite systems work 900 to 1500 as noted in a
previously. The issue is that the reciever has to send a signal to the
dish to switch between the a and b lnbs to look at the different birds,
they cant both come down the line at the same time because they are both
oviously coming down at the same frequency. You cannot just
split the signal to multiple recievers because they would
battle for control over the dish as channels are changed. Because of that
distribution of that to dozens of recievers in a large building starts to
get complicated because of the voltage switches needed to
facilitate the switching. The Stacker system sends the second dish feed
down at 1500- 2 gig, so that all of the signals are on the line at the
same ! time,! a on 900-1500, b on 1500 - 2000. Many of the recievers out
there already have tuners built in that can accept the wideband input,
just a simple trip into the service menu on the box and turn it on! Now
we can amplify and split as needed to feed as many as you want! But RG-11
and 2 gig rated splitters and amps are a must. 
 
Thats my two cents on the matter. 
 
Tom 
W9SRV
bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 










 
 From: russ 
 Date: 2004/10/15 Fri AM 02:00:59 GMT 
 To: 
 Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Direct TV type dish? 
 
 
 Hey Does any one know what frequency that the coax line coming
from the LNB's to the receiver is? On direct TV. 
 73 Russ, W3CH 
 
 yes the cable is rg6 
 


































































Yahoo! Groups Links


* To visit your group on the web, go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/


* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: 
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/





















Do you Yahoo!?
Y!
Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. 













Yahoo! Groups Links 

To visit