Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-28 Thread Jim Brown
In my case, without an antenna there was no way to key it up - HI 73 - Jim W5ZIT Nate Duehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 22, 2008, at 12:56 PM, Jim Brown wrote: Mine was on the air - but not active at the time the ax was applied to the hard line. You

Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-27 Thread Nate Duehr
On Apr 22, 2008, at 12:56 PM, Jim Brown wrote: Mine was on the air - but not active at the time the ax was applied to the hard line. You are my coordinator, but I never did let you know it was down - sorry. But back up now, with a new connector and jumper. 73 - Jim W5ZIT (N5SN)

Re: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-24 Thread Ron Wright
: Wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/04/24 Thu PM 10:44:57 CDT To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft UInless I wind up being able to put mine at the volunteer fire station, it will be here at my home. Three dogs here at night who will make

Re: RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-24 Thread Ron Wright
PM 09:54:47 CDT To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft There was a guy in the area near here who owned a bar... The bar was burglarized repeatedly, so the owner wired the window bars to 220V. Needless to say, when Mr. Burglar

Re: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-24 Thread Steve
, April 24, 2008 5:50 AM Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Fire Arms are good if you are there. When I was in the Nam we put up mechnical ambushes as they were called. About 15 claymores along a trail with a trip wire in the middle. Only real problem is a FNG who

RE: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-24 Thread Robert Pease
@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 11:08 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft  At least here in Kansas we can now have full auto weapons and machine guns with silencers, makes security

RE: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-24 Thread Paul Plack
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 7:16 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft  Thats not a bad idea, I was getting tired of the weapon approach, I started to think this was a weapon list. Hook your alarm to an input on the repeater

Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-24 Thread wb8art
@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 11:08 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft  At least here in Kansas we can now have full auto weapons and machine guns

Re: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-24 Thread Steve
24, 2008 1:41 PM Subject: RE: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft  OK, Rob, I'll bite... If the cable's been cut, activating the alarm, how will the repeater alert you? This sounds like a solution I'd come up with, then later say, ...d'oh! 73, Paul, AE4KR

Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-24 Thread Rob
Steve wrote: Anyway, why not just wrap your hard-line with burglar alarm tape, connected to a dc relay. This would trip a dc horn or siren (old police sirens work well or 28 volt locomotive horns) and halogen lights. A nice small camera to record the bad guys crapping their pants and

RE: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-24 Thread Robert Pease
Subject: RE: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft  OK, Rob, I'll bite... If the cable's been cut, activating the alarm, how will the repeater alert you? This sounds like a solution I'd come up with, then later say, ...d'oh! 73, Paul, AE4KR From

RE: RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-24 Thread MikeDeWaele
: RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft There have been a number of cases where a store or home owner wired a booby trap and someone got injured. Outlawing this is the law in many states. It is mainly due to the intruder might be a family member or fireman, etc trying to get in for good

Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-23 Thread MCH
-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:05:19 -0400 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft My way is prevention. Once they hit that Heliax, they don't be hitting any more tower sites - preventing the next guy and likely saving

RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-23 Thread Barry C'
Completely off topic but there is a large diff. To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 02:10:54 -0400 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Same difference if they cut the light power lines. Guess

Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-23 Thread MCH
@yahoogroups.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 02:10:54 -0400 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Same difference if they cut the light power lines. Guess anyone with a lit tower would be guilty of it, then. Joe M. Barry C' wrote

Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-23 Thread Ron Wright
-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Same difference if they cut the light power lines. Guess anyone with a lit tower would be guilty of it, then. Joe M. Barry C' wrote: Premeditated manslaugther .. MM nah thank but no thanks

Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-23 Thread Ron Wright
not fatal, just convincing you don't want to go here. 73, ron, n9ee/r From: MCH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/04/22 Tue PM 10:23:51 CDT To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Well, how about feeding 220 (and I'm not talking

Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-23 Thread Ron Wright
PROTECTED] Date: 2008/04/22 Tue PM 09:01:00 CDT To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft where was this at? thanks john - Original Message - From: Juan Tellez To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSent: Tuesday

Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-23 Thread Dail Terry
I call it Adding a little CHLORINE to the GENE POOL N6DGT Dail - Original Message From: MCH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:05:19 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft My way is prevention. Once they hit

RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-23 Thread Paul Finch
@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry C' Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:28 AM To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Premeditated manslaugther .. MM nah thank but no thanks _ To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From

RE: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-23 Thread Paul Finch
: 2008/04/23 Wed AM 01:10:54 CDT To: HYPERLINK mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] m Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Same difference if they cut the light power lines. Guess anyone with a lit tower would be guilty of it, then. Joe M. Barry C' wrote

Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-23 Thread dmurman
@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft But, they don't know the value of that, and likely don't have any outlets to get money from it. But, they DO know the value of copper, and there are plenty of scrap yards.. BUT, you would think that the first few cuts would have

RE: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-23 Thread Paul Finch
something. Paul _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 8:16 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com; MCH Subject: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Here in Texas you can use deadly

Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-23 Thread DCFluX
The latest trick around here is to tie on to power poles and pull them over to steal the aluminum wiring and the pole pig. Personally, I don't think $50 worth of scrap metal is worth a shocking experience.

Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-23 Thread Alexandre Souza
My problem is most of the people that trespass onto my property is kids from the mid to lower class housing development to the West of my property. Even if you're justified in shooting a kid you will be condemned in the press and harassed by the law enforcement officers. Short

Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-23 Thread MCH
. The station off the air only upsets the tower/radio stn owners. 73, ron, n9ee/r From: MCH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/04/23 Wed AM 01:10:54 CDT To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Same difference if they cut the light

Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-23 Thread MCH
*To:* repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Premeditated manslaugther .. MM nah thank but no thanks To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-23 Thread Wayne
, 2008 10:31 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Most bullets these days are made of copper. Perfect! He wants copper, we'll give him copper.. although buckshot hurts more! -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client

Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-23 Thread Jim Miller WB5OXQ in Waco
systems is the law is sometimes way too late getting to a remote site! WB5OXQ - Original Message - From: Paul Finch To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 8:35 AM Subject: RE: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft In the tower building I

RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-23 Thread n9wys
There was a guy in the area near here who owned a bar... The bar was burglarized repeatedly, so the owner wired the window bars to 220V. Needless to say, when Mr. Burglar came back again, he was found the next day - still in the window. The family successfully sued, and the local prosecutor

Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-23 Thread Wayne
UInless I wind up being able to put mine at the volunteer fire station, it will be here at my home. Three dogs here at night who will make a racket, not to mention a nice 40 caliber magnum revolver. Legal enough as long as I don't carry it concealed. More freedom here in Pecos County...

Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-22 Thread Bob M.
It's already a big problem with AM broadcast stations losing their ground system. Buried uninsulated copper wire. Find one exposed piece and start pulling it up. I wonder if amateur equipment insurance covers such vandalism? Bob M. == --- Terry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somewhere around 8-9

RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-22 Thread Barry C'
Personally I wonder how much exception the local Magistrate would take if the thief happened to start leaking a little being mistaken for some kinda bird n all :) To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 06:02:52 -0700 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder

RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-22 Thread Paul Finch
Easy to explain, Lead Poisoning. _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry C' Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:13 AM To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Personally I wonder how much

Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-22 Thread DCFluX
*To:* repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Personally I wonder how much exception the local Magistrate would take if the thief happened to start leaking a little being mistaken for some kinda bird n all

RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-22 Thread Paul Finch
They have already stolen coax off working systems. Paul _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:17 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Somewhere

RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-22 Thread Paul Finch
I think they have a copper jacket over lead. Paul _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DCFluX Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:32 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Most bullets

RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-22 Thread Jim Brown
Mine was on the air - but not active at the time the ax was applied to the hard line. You are my coordinator, but I never did let you know it was down - sorry. But back up now, with a new connector and jumper. 73 - Jim W5ZIT (N5SN) 443.9 Paul Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-22 Thread George Henry
-Original Message- From: DCFluX [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Apr 22, 2008 10:31 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Most bullets these days are made of copper. Perfect! He wants copper, we'll give him copper.. although

RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-22 Thread ka9qjg
I Don't think this Copper Thieves are actually Targeting Repeater Sites Etc , Some Sites are off the beaten path and in Place not readily seen by some , It is just bad People trying to make some money for whatever . Example, Here in N/W Indiana home Construction sites get hit all the

RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-22 Thread ka9qjg
Well that Picture sure put Things in Perspective Only one Comment Unbelievable I guess the Old Saying a Picture is worth a thousand words is True in this case Don KA9QJG

Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-22 Thread Jim Miller WB5OXQ in Waco
There has got to be a way to catch and make an example of these thieves. The buyers of copper must be trained to be selective about who they buy this stuff from and require good ID and keep records of who they buy from and be aware that the stuff might be stolen. Regulations as stiff as

Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-22 Thread Tony VE6MVP
At 06:49 PM 2008-04-22 -0500, Jim Miller WB5OXQ in Waco wrote: The buyers of copper must be trained to be selective about who they buy this stuff from and require good ID and keep records of who they buy from and be aware that the stuff might be stolen. That's the big problem. No matter how

Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-22 Thread Joe
At my last job we were having copper ground buss bars stolen. They would hit a cellsite and take them all at ground level. This could add up to 5 or 10 buss bars if the site had multiple carriers on it. The fix has been to replace the buss bars with tinned copper buss bars. It will be a

RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-22 Thread ka9qjg
. Many thieves are only interested in $10-20 worth of copper. That's all it takes to buy a dose of drugs and get high. 73, Joe, K1ike Well I Don't think is just Drugs and stuff like that anymore ,Now We have to think what $ 5.00 Will buy a Gal of Gas , a Pack of Cigs ,a Gallon of Milk and

Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-22 Thread Kris Kirby
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008, Jim Miller WB5OXQ in Waco wrote: There has got to be a way to catch and make an example of these thieves. The buyers of copper must be trained to be selective about who they buy this stuff from and require good ID and keep records of who they buy from and be aware that

Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-22 Thread MCH
Well, how about feeding 220 (and I'm not talking the MHz variety) through a piece of Heliax to feed something on the tower like a light? (or even as an unterminated open circuit) That way, when the cut through it with the rest, SURPRISE! The guy who was stealing the cable will be the body

RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-22 Thread Barry C'
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Well, how about feeding 220 (and I'm not talking the MHz variety) through a piece of Heliax to feed something on the tower like a light? (or even as an unterminated open circuit) That way, when the cut

Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-22 Thread MCH
... To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:23:51 -0400 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Well, how about feeding 220 (and I'm not talking the MHz variety) through a piece of Heliax to feed

Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-22 Thread MCH
But, they don't know the value of that, and likely don't have any outlets to get money from it. But, they DO know the value of copper, and there are plenty of scrap yards.. BUT, you would think that the first few cuts would have deterred them since the majority of the metal is NOT copper - as

Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-22 Thread Henry Wingate
Once we tried smearing the feedline with a mixture of cosmoline, carbon black and gentian violet. But alas came the time when WE had to work on it ! MCH wrote: Well, how about feeding 220 (and I'm not talking the MHz variety) through a piece of Heliax to feed something on the tower like a

RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-22 Thread Paul Finch
to see if they are solid. Paul -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MCH Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 11:11 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft But, they don't know the value

RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

2008-04-22 Thread Barry C'
Premeditated manslaugther .. MM nah thank but no thanks To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:05:19 -0400 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft My way is prevention. Once they hit that Heliax