But, I haven't seen any DTV tuner boxes with clocks and/or scheduling
capabilities to tune the correct channel prior to the recording device
starting up.
Has anyone else seen one of those? (Other than building a home-brew DVR
with MythBox or buying a similar commercial product...)
Joe M:
I can tell you right now that there seems to be far more CATV systems in the
US that are far outside of the CLI standards than there are that are within
the acceptable CLI standard. Our system happens to be one of the companies
that tends to invest greatly in infrastructure maintenance
John Sichert wrote:
The best unit as far as sensitivity goes, seems to be the Channel
Master CM-7000.
Has this unit been tested side by side against the Magnavox TB100 and
its variants?
If so, how much better is the CM-7000?
Kevin
Joe,
Can you provide manufacturers and/or model numbers so I can research further
on these higher-end boxes??
Also, in regard to Chuck's comment about stations staying on their UHF
allocation freqs, WBBM - the CBS affiliate in Chicago - is on Ch 2 analog
and Ch 12 digital for now. WBBM will
This page might be interesting:
Consumer Reports side-by-side ratings of DTV converter boxes
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/electronics-computers/tvs-services/digital-tv-converter/ratings/dtv-converter-boxes-ratings.htm
Consumer Reports Recommendations and Notes:
It shows you where today's consumer is...RF sensitivity and immunity from
overload aren't even footnotes.
- Original Message -
From: Mike Morris WA6ILQ
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT- Digital TV
On Thu, 8 Jan 2009, Paul Plack wrote:
The coupon site makes it clear that the coupons will come by standard
mail, not first class. The postal service calls this Presort
Standard. The more common dexriptor is junk mail.
They're paying a reduced postal rate which frees the US Postal Service
The certainty of pushing it back is high? Your post is a bit contradictory.
Unless Congress mandates that broadcasters keep both analog and digital
active, my money is going to be on analogs shutting down voluntarily as a
cost saving measure. It costs a lot of money to keep a full power TV
, Chuck Kelsey wb2...@roadrunner.com wrote:
From: Chuck Kelsey wb2...@roadrunner.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT- Digital TV converter box issues- You can
stop the thread now
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 6:20 PM
The certainty of pushing it back
, Chuck Kelsey
wb2...@roadrunner.comwb2edv%40roadrunner.com
wrote:
From: Chuck Kelsey wb2...@roadrunner.com wb2edv%40roadrunner.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT- Digital TV converter box issues- You
can stop the thread now
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comRepeater-Builder
I've got a different problem -
1) the folks that had this mobile home before me burned this
address as far as the coupon database is concerned (I can't
get coupons at this address).
2) They won't send them to a PO box.
3) The post office forwards my old address, but I can't use
it - the
On Thu, 8 Jan 2009, Mike Morris WA6ILQ wrote:
3) The post office forwards my old address, but I can't use it - the
envelopes have a DO NOT FORWARD stamp on them.
Call your congresscritter, or better yet -- arrange a visit to his
office.
--
Kris Kirby, KE4AHR k...@catonic.us
But remember,
I have the same problem here outside of the Chicago area... for reference,
I'm about 60 mi SW of Chicago.
I have three converters installed in my home to prepare for the transition -
they are on TVs in non-critical areas, i.e., bedrooms, kids rooms, etc. I
have DirecTV for the primary TV sets
Mike,
I know of a couple of people who were able to get around the address issue
by adding Apartment 2 to the address, and using a different name (like a
daughter, son, etc.). Now it looks like a multiple occupancy rather than a
single-family home. But since the government is either out of,
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 9:55 AM
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT- Digital TV converter box issues
Mike,
I know of a couple of people who were able to get around the address issue
by adding Apartment 2 to the address, and using a different
.
Chuck
- Original Message -
From: Mark n9...@ameritech.net
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 9:45 AM
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT- Digital TV converter box issues
I have the same problem here outside of the Chicago area... for reference,
I'm
Mike,
The Echostar PAL unit has a good electronic program guide. A friend
of mine has a problem with the unit locking up sometimes. (Could just be his)
The best unit as far as sensitivity goes, seems to be the Channel
Master CM-7000.
It also has an S-Video output that the others lack.
The
The bain of my existance the last few weeks.DTV.
Several Points of order: DTV Myths, Comments, QA:
I hear once a day: DTV doesn't work as good as analog.
My Response (based on experience): Does not work as good is from a point of
view. The fact is DTV is more effiecnt, the stations are
Tom,
Did we all hit a nerve?? Hehehehe
Regarding the February changeover date - the FCC could still have set
another date in June 2009 (or April for that matter - anytime when the
weather in 2/3 of the country was a bit more tolerable) but *chose* not to
do so. I deal with government on a
-Builder] OT- Digital TV converter box issues
I do like the suggestion about the pre-amp - I may give that a try this
afternoon (if it isn't too cold in my attic!) and I'll report my results.
(BTW - mine is not a hardware store variety, it's a Winegard that I
spent
probably $70 on about three
My application for a converter box coupon was rejected saying that there were
no more coupons available.
73 - Jim W5ZIT
--- On Mon, 1/5/09, TRACOMM trac...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: TRACOMM trac...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] OT- Digital TV converter box issues
To:
I TRY not to respond to OT posts, but boy am I fed up with DTV!
I could get all the high power analog stations in my market
snow-free with a small rooftop antenna. No go with DTV so I've been
incrementally upgrading. I now have a very large antenna residing at
70 feet on one of my towers. Now
night! It does help.
--- On Thu, 1/8/09, Mark n9...@ameritech.net wrote:
From: Mark n9...@ameritech.net
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT- Digital TV converter box issues
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 8, 2009, 10:02 AM
Tom,
Did we all hit a nerve
/ WQGJ413
From: Mark n9...@ameritech.net
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2009 8:45:16 AM
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT- Digital TV converter box issues
I have the same problem here outside of the Chicago area... for reference
I have the Zenith box, paid a little more for it, and it works pretty well here
in Salt Lake City. I'm surrounded by high mountaintop transmitter sites, so I
didn't need much of an antenna. I just stuck a 12 piece of wire in the center
of the coax jack on my two boxes, and I get all the locals.
Paul N1BUG wrote:
I TRY not to respond to OT posts, but boy am I fed up with DTV!
I could get all the high power analog stations in my market
snow-free with a small rooftop antenna. No go with DTV so I've been
incrementally upgrading. I now have a very large antenna residing at
70 feet
At 09:30 AM 01/08/09, you wrote:
Hello Mike,
Are you saying your address shows as invalid?. I ordered some for my
sister (on line) and it allowed you to enter an actual street
address and then it allowed shipping to a different address like her P.O. Box.
My old adders is forwarded by the
Here's something interesting I noticed.
If the consumer (we're not people you know, we're consumers now...)
had any type of Standard Def recording device that had its own tuner...
It could ostensibly be set permanently to channel 3 (or whatever the
RF output of the DTV converter box is) to
to the publicThat
would have added $5
Tom
W9SRV
--- On Thu, 1/8/09, Nate Duehr n...@natetech.com wrote:
From: Nate Duehr n...@natetech.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT- Digital TV converter box issues
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 8, 2009, 4:07 PM
Here's
OK I promised that I'd reply back if I tried removal of the preamplifier.
Well, I did and it resulted in degraded reception.
Before removing the pre-amp, I could receive DTV channels 5 (with
artifacts), 7, 9, 11, 32, 35, 38, 44, and 50. After removal, I received
only 9, 32, and 50. So I guess
: [Repeater-Builder] OT- Digital TV converter box issues
As an aside, I did notice that the DTV tuner itself results in a MUCH less
viewable *analog* signal (remember, my boxes are pass-through). There
seems to be a LOT of insertion loss attributable to the tuner.
Just bought a Phillips DVDR3576H, has an ATSC, NTSC, QAM tuner,
records to hard drive or DVD and has built-in timers. Also has modulator
for output to ch 3 as well as composite video, component video and
HDMI.Also upconverts to 720i or 1080i. May be more than you are looking
for, but it is
Already tried that with several lengths - in case the first one I tried was
bad.
And I did find a bad length, but it wasn't inline.
Mark - N9WYS
-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Chuck Kelsey
Try a new jumper between the converter and the TV. Maybe
I just looked at my TV converter coupon program letter and verified that
they sent the card to my post office box. I got the card, no problem.
Joe
Larry wrote:
Hello Mike,
Are you saying your address shows as invalid?. I ordered some for my
sister (on line) and it allowed you to enter an
NBC Nightly News just had a teaser about the Obama Transition team wanting
to push back the DTV switch-over date.
-Builder] OT- Digital TV converter box issues
At 09:30 AM 01/08/09, you wrote:
Hello Mike,
Are you saying your address shows as invalid?. I ordered some for my
sister (on line) and it allowed you to enter an actual street
address and then it allowed shipping to a different address like
wrote:
From: Nate Duehr n...@natetech.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT- Digital TV converter box issues
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 8, 2009, 4:07 PM
Here's something interesting I noticed.
If the consumer (we're not people you know,
we're
Mark wrote:
NBC Nightly News just had a teaser about the Obama Transition team
wanting to push back the DTV switch-over date…
Maybe they should just do some more wealth redistribution to pay for a
few more $40 coupons instead. Then they can feel the warm glow of
accomplishment -- after
: Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT- Digital TV converter box issues
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 8, 2009, 6:32 PM
At 14:39 1/8/2009, TGundo 2003 wrote:
There is a Sony DVD Recorder/VCR with a built in ATSC
tuner that can
record DTV onto either DVD or VCR,
Maybe you
Chuck Kelsey wrote:
I'm using the Magnavox converter. Compared to my HDTV, I'd say that
reception is the same, only that the converter changes channels a lot
faster than the tuner in the TV. Actually the converter has a longer
run of coax than the TV.
We are doing several digital to analog
At 1/8/2009 07:02, you wrote:
Try this site. It's not perfect, but will give you an idea. I find cased
where it says I'm well within range and I can't get the channels and some
where it says I shouldn't and do.
http://www.fcc.gov/dtv/markets/
Keep in mind than a lot of stations have gone from
From the for what it's worth can:
I had a talk with my son (RF engineer for several TV stations in the Florida
panhandle) about this DTV stuff.
Condensed version:
Most stations are not running full power on there DTV yet.
Preamps used now will have to be removed after full power due to front
-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT- Digital TV converter box issues
Many stations will be going back to there original VHF freq's after the
analog is down, so UHF transmitters are just temporary.
At 1/8/2009 08:02, you wrote:
Tom,
I do like the suggestion about the pre-amp - I may give that a try this
afternoon (if it isn't too cold in my attic!) and I'll report my results.
(BTW - mine is not a hardware store variety, it's a Winegard that I spent
probably $70 on about three years ago.)
As someone that works in the CATV industry...
I'm truly looking forward to the analog-shutoff in February...
No more ghosting trouble calls due to ingress...
Granted, those T/Cs will be less frequent but the problem of ingress/egress
will still be present...
Oh well :)
I can tell you that
At 1/8/2009 14:39, you wrote:
But, I haven't seen any DTV tuner boxes with clocks
and/or scheduling
capabilities to tune the correct channel prior to the
recording device
starting up.
Has anyone else seen one of those? (Other than building a
home-brew DVR
with MythBox or
That would have added $5
Tom
W9SRV
--- On Thu, 1/8/09, Nate Duehr n...@natetech.com wrote:
From: Nate Duehr n...@natetech.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT- Digital TV converter box issues
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 8, 2009, 4:07 PM
Here's
That will be a loss for all RF users because where there is INGRESS,
there is usually EGRESS, too (and often to the point it's not legal).
Cable is supposed to be a closed system. As you said, the problem will
still be present - just not dealt with as swiftly - if at all.
The only ones who
This will be My last comment on this, The Topic sure has run its course
and Generated a lot of Valuable info that some may of not been aware of
, It is one thing to talk about something New but another thing When
people like on Here have actually already tried it and Experienced the
Problems ,
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