Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement

2009-04-13 Thread MCH
Again, the requirement to discontinue transmitting within 5 seconds of the loss of the input signal was removed from the rules. So, your tail can be 30 days long now - retransmitting anything or not. Joe M. n...@no6b.com wrote: At 4/12/2009 15:04, you wrote: Yet Amateur Radio repeaters can

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement

2009-04-13 Thread no6b
At 4/13/2009 04:10, you wrote: Again, the requirement to discontinue transmitting within 5 seconds of the loss of the input signal was removed from the rules. So, your tail can be 30 days long now - retransmitting anything or not. The 5 second rule may be gone, but I can guarantee if the

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement

2009-04-13 Thread no6b
At 4/12/2009 22:36, you wrote: Didn't something come out a few years ago where the FCC relaxed those rules and a repeater can now ID every 10 mins without activity? Not unless beacons are allowed in the same band segments as repeaters. Bob NO6B

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement

2009-04-13 Thread MCH
True, but no interference, no request, and with the transmission comes the 10-minute ID requirement. Note that I also never said it made sense. It IS the government we are talking about here... Joe M. n...@no6b.com wrote: At 4/13/2009 04:10, you wrote: Again, the requirement to discontinue

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement

2009-04-12 Thread Mike Besemer (WM4B)
Been looking. just haven't hit paydirt yet! 73, Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mullarkey Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 9:59 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement

2009-04-12 Thread Mike Mullarkey
Go to the www.fcc.gov http://www.fcc.gov/ web page and search there. They are bound by law to post all nasty grams there and are available for the public to view. Hope this helps. Mike _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement

2009-04-12 Thread George Henry
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 8:58 AM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement Go to the www.fcc.gov http://www.fcc.gov/ web page and search there. They are bound by law to post all nasty grams there and are available for the public to view. Hope this helps. Mike

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement

2009-04-12 Thread Randy Brumback
Besemer (WM4B) Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 10:51 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement Been looking. just haven't hit paydirt yet! 73, Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement

2009-04-12 Thread no6b
At 4/12/2009 11:55, you wrote: Mike, I am sitting here wondering if a nasty-gram would be considered enforcement ? If they are two different things then looking in the enforcement section might not be the right place. Generally speaking, the FCC has decreed that a repeater shall not speak

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement

2009-04-12 Thread Mike Besemer (WM4B)
No… it was within the last year or so. From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George Henry Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 2:30 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement Unfortunately

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement

2009-04-12 Thread Mike Besemer (WM4B)
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement Mike, I am sitting here wondering if a nasty-gram would be considered “enforcement”? If they are two different things then looking in the enforcement section might not be the right place. Randy   From

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement

2009-04-12 Thread Mike Besemer (WM4B)
] On Behalf Of n...@no6b.com Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 3:42 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement At 4/12/2009 11:55, you wrote: Mike, I am sitting here wondering if a nasty-gram would be considered enforcement ? If they are two

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement

2009-04-12 Thread MCH
Yet Amateur Radio repeaters can legally transmit 24/7/365 (literally) and would then be required to put out and ID every 10 minutes... Note that this was not always the case - the requirement that repeaters cease transmitting within 5 seconds was removed from Part 97 in the 90s. Joe M.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement

2009-04-12 Thread Mike Morris WA6ILQ
At 06:10 AM 04/12/09, you wrote: I know we’re not supposed to discuss FCC rules on this forum, so I hope this isn’t across the line. I’m trying to find a Rileygram citing a repeater owner because his repeater ID’d at 10-minute intervals without user input (beaconing). Does anybody happen

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement

2009-04-12 Thread Jim WB5OXQ inb Waco, TX
I hear a repeater in the area that Id's a lot but it is also carrier squelch and the squelch pops a lot 24/7 and that probably caused this one to id a lot. It does not seem to be at a regular interval and some days are worse than others. Nevertheless it is id'ing on its own without a carrier

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement

2009-04-12 Thread MCH
It doesn't have to be 'recognizable' (at least I never saw any such wording in the rules). The key is that it's not IDing on its own - it's being triggered by a signal on the input. I use CTCSS on my repeaters (most of them) gated by the COS, so I hear almost no IDs. Hence, they don't bother

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement

2009-04-12 Thread Mike Besemer (WM4B)
@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement At 06:10 AM 04/12/09, you wrote: I know we're not supposed to discuss FCC rules on this forum, so I hope this isn't across the line. I'm trying to find a Rileygram citing a repeater owner because his repeater ID'd

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement

2009-04-12 Thread Mike Morris WA6ILQ
...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Morris WA6ILQ Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 6:45 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement At 06:10 AM 04/12/09, you wrote: I know we’re not supposed to discuss FCC rules on this forum, so I hope this isn

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement

2009-04-12 Thread Mike Besemer (WM4B)
, Mike WM4B _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Morris WA6ILQ Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 10:26 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement

2009-04-12 Thread David Struebel
, 2009 10:25 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement Is this it ? https://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2002/09/18/100/?nc=1 Mike WA6ILQ At 05:10 PM 04/12/09, you wrote: If my O-O Coordinator can't lay his hands on it, I might do that. I specifically

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement

2009-04-12 Thread no6b
At 4/12/2009 15:04, you wrote: Yet Amateur Radio repeaters can legally transmit 24/7/365 (literally) and would then be required to put out and ID every 10 minutes... ...so long as they're retransmitting the communications of other amateur stations. Some busy IRLP reflectors Echolink conference

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement

2009-04-12 Thread Jeff DePolo
) Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 10:31 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement Nope. I saw that one too and it piqued my interest, but the one I'm thinking of was just a simple violation of the 'speak when spoken to' philosophy. just

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement

2009-04-12 Thread Paul Plack
Bob, actually I believe the change was prompted by the NASA space shuttle rebroadcasts. 73, Paul, AE4KR - Original Message - From: n...@no6b.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement

2009-04-12 Thread JOHN MACKEY
Didn't something come out a few years ago where the FCC relaxed those rules and a repeater can now ID every 10 mins without activity? -- Original Message -- Received: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 12:42:38 PM PDT From: n...@no6b.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder