Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement
Again, the requirement to discontinue transmitting within 5 seconds of the loss of the input signal was removed from the rules. So, your tail can be 30 days long now - retransmitting anything or not. Joe M. n...@no6b.com wrote: At 4/12/2009 15:04, you wrote: Yet Amateur Radio repeaters can legally transmit 24/7/365 (literally) and would then be required to put out and ID every 10 minutes... ...so long as they're retransmitting the communications of other amateur stations. Some busy IRLP reflectors Echolink conference nodes come to mind. Bob NO6B Yahoo! Groups Links
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At 4/13/2009 04:10, you wrote: Again, the requirement to discontinue transmitting within 5 seconds of the loss of the input signal was removed from the rules. So, your tail can be 30 days long now - retransmitting anything or not. The 5 second rule may be gone, but I can guarantee if the month-long hang time repeater causes interference, it will be asked to shorten it. The FCC does use common sense. Bob NO6B
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At 4/12/2009 22:36, you wrote: Didn't something come out a few years ago where the FCC relaxed those rules and a repeater can now ID every 10 mins without activity? Not unless beacons are allowed in the same band segments as repeaters. Bob NO6B
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True, but no interference, no request, and with the transmission comes the 10-minute ID requirement. Note that I also never said it made sense. It IS the government we are talking about here... Joe M. n...@no6b.com wrote: At 4/13/2009 04:10, you wrote: Again, the requirement to discontinue transmitting within 5 seconds of the loss of the input signal was removed from the rules. So, your tail can be 30 days long now - retransmitting anything or not. The 5 second rule may be gone, but I can guarantee if the month-long hang time repeater causes interference, it will be asked to shorten it. The FCC does use common sense. Bob NO6B Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.11.54/2056 - Release Date: 04/13/09 05:51:00
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Been looking. just haven't hit paydirt yet! 73, Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mullarkey Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 9:59 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement Go to the www.fcc.gov http://www.fcc.gov/ web page and search there. They are bound by law to post all nasty grams there and are available for the public to view. Hope this helps. Mike _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer (WM4B) Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 7:10 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement I know we're not supposed to discuss FCC rules on this forum, so I hope this isn't across the line. I'm trying to find a Rileygram citing a repeater owner because his repeater ID'd at 10-minute intervals without user input (beaconing). Does anybody happen to have a copy or know where it's posted? I've been going through the Amateur Enforcement Actions on the FCC page, but haven't come across it yet. and am hoping not to have to dig too far! 73, Mike WM4B image001.jpgimage002.jpg
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Go to the www.fcc.gov http://www.fcc.gov/ web page and search there. They are bound by law to post all nasty grams there and are available for the public to view. Hope this helps. Mike _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer (WM4B) Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 7:10 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement I know we're not supposed to discuss FCC rules on this forum, so I hope this isn't across the line. I'm trying to find a Rileygram citing a repeater owner because his repeater ID'd at 10-minute intervals without user input (beaconing). Does anybody happen to have a copy or know where it's posted? I've been going through the Amateur Enforcement Actions on the FCC page, but haven't come across it yet. and am hoping not to have to dig too far! 73, Mike WM4B
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Unfortunately, the FCC web site enforcement listings only go back 10 years, and IIRC, it was WELL before that. Seems to me it was in the early or mid-80's. 73, George, KA3HSW / WQGJ413 - Original Message - From: Mike Mullarkey k7...@comcast.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 8:58 AM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement Go to the www.fcc.gov http://www.fcc.gov/ web page and search there. They are bound by law to post all nasty grams there and are available for the public to view. Hope this helps. Mike
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Mike, I am sitting here wondering if a nasty-gram would be considered enforcement? If they are two different things then looking in the enforcement section might not be the right place. Randy From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer (WM4B) Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 10:51 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement Been looking. just haven't hit paydirt yet! 73, Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mullarkey Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 9:59 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement Go to the www.fcc.gov http://www.fcc.gov/ web page and search there. They are bound by law to post all nasty grams there and are available for the public to view. Hope this helps. Mike _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer (WM4B) Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 7:10 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement I know we're not supposed to discuss FCC rules on this forum, so I hope this isn't across the line. I'm trying to find a Rileygram citing a repeater owner because his repeater ID'd at 10-minute intervals without user input (beaconing). Does anybody happen to have a copy or know where it's posted? I've been going through the Amateur Enforcement Actions on the FCC page, but haven't come across it yet. and am hoping not to have to dig too far! 73, Mike WM4B
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At 4/12/2009 11:55, you wrote: Mike, I am sitting here wondering if a nasty-gram would be considered enforcement ? If they are two different things then looking in the enforcement section might not be the right place. Generally speaking, the FCC has decreed that a repeater shall not speak unless spoken to, with common-sense allowances for final IDs a few minutes after the last transmission from a user. Recurring transmissions originated from the repeater station itself are one-way transmissions are not permitted unless they are occasional QSTs of general interest (i.e. AR Newsline). A repeater IDing every 10 minutes on its own is continuously sending one-way transmissions or broadcasts, is not permitted. I once received a Notice of Operating Conditions from the local field office back in the 80's stating such, but can't find it now. Bob NO6B
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No it was within the last year or so. From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George Henry Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 2:30 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement Unfortunately, the FCC web site enforcement listings only go back 10 years, and IIRC, it was WELL before that. Seems to me it was in the early or mid-80's. 73, George, KA3HSW / WQGJ413 - Original Message - From: Mike Mullarkey k7...@comcast.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 8:58 AM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement Go to the www.fcc.gov http://www.fcc.gov/ web page and search there. They are bound by law to post all nasty grams there and are available for the public to view. Hope this helps. Mike
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A lot of the nasty-grams are posted, but I'm starting to wonder the same thing. It might have been in ARRL letter or something like that. Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Brumback Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 2:56 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement Mike, I am sitting here wondering if a nasty-gram would be considered enforcement? If they are two different things then looking in the enforcement section might not be the right place. Randy From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer (WM4B) Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 10:51 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement Been looking just havent hit paydirt yet! 73, Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mullarkey Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 9:59 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement Go to the www.fcc.gov web page and search there. They are bound by law to post all nasty grams there and are available for the public to view. Hope this helps. Mike From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer (WM4B) Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 7:10 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement I know were not supposed to discuss FCC rules on this forum, so I hope this isnt across the line. Im trying to find a Rileygram citing a repeater owner because his repeater IDd at 10-minute intervals without user input (beaconing). Does anybody happen to have a copy or know where its posted? Ive been going through the Amateur Enforcement Actions on the FCC page, but havent come across it yet and am hoping not to have to dig too far! 73, Mike WM4B
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Same thing I'm thinking. It really doesn't fit the definition of 'broadcasting' or 'beaconing', but it's definitely a one-way transmission. Just trying to prove a point to someone less-informed! 73, Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of n...@no6b.com Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 3:42 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement At 4/12/2009 11:55, you wrote: Mike, I am sitting here wondering if a nasty-gram would be considered enforcement ? If they are two different things then looking in the enforcement section might not be the right place. Generally speaking, the FCC has decreed that a repeater shall not speak unless spoken to, with common-sense allowances for final IDs a few minutes after the last transmission from a user. Recurring transmissions originated from the repeater station itself are one-way transmissions are not permitted unless they are occasional QSTs of general interest (i.e. AR Newsline). A repeater IDing every 10 minutes on its own is continuously sending one-way transmissions or broadcasts, is not permitted. I once received a Notice of Operating Conditions from the local field office back in the 80's stating such, but can't find it now. Bob NO6B
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Yet Amateur Radio repeaters can legally transmit 24/7/365 (literally) and would then be required to put out and ID every 10 minutes... Note that this was not always the case - the requirement that repeaters cease transmitting within 5 seconds was removed from Part 97 in the 90s. Joe M. n...@no6b.com wrote: A repeater IDing every 10 minutes on its own is continuously sending one-way transmissions or broadcasts, is not permitted. I once received a Notice of Operating Conditions from the local field office back in the 80's stating such, but can't find it now. Bob NO6B
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At 06:10 AM 04/12/09, you wrote: I know were not supposed to discuss FCC rules on this forum, so I hope this isnt across the line. Im trying to find a Rileygram citing a repeater owner because his repeater IDd at 10-minute intervals without user input (beaconing). Does anybody happen to have a copy or know where its posted? Ive been going through the Amateur Enforcement Actions on the FCC page, but havent come across it yet and am hoping not to have to dig too far! 73, Mike WM4B If you are an ARRL member, drop a note to Dan Henderson, N1ND, ARRL Regulatory Information Specialist. He worked with Riley extensively and if anybody outside the FCC has a file cabinet full of FCC notices he will. If you aren't a member, have a friend who is drop a note. Mike
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I hear a repeater in the area that Id's a lot but it is also carrier squelch and the squelch pops a lot 24/7 and that probably caused this one to id a lot. It does not seem to be at a regular interval and some days are worse than others. Nevertheless it is id'ing on its own without a carrier that can be recognised. wb5oxq
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It doesn't have to be 'recognizable' (at least I never saw any such wording in the rules). The key is that it's not IDing on its own - it's being triggered by a signal on the input. I use CTCSS on my repeaters (most of them) gated by the COS, so I hear almost no IDs. Hence, they don't bother me. I highly recommend this method on any repeater. It also allows remote linking via Echolink or any other VOIP method. Joe M. Jim WB5OXQ inb Waco, TX wrote: I hear a repeater in the area that Id's a lot but it is also carrier squelch and the squelch pops a lot 24/7 and that probably caused this one to id a lot. It does not seem to be at a regular interval and some days are worse than others. Nevertheless it is id'ing on its own without a carrier that can be recognised. wb5oxq No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.11.54/2055 - Release Date: 04/12/09 13:14:00
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If my O-O Coordinator can't lay his hands on it, I might do that. I specifically remember the letter because it made me do the 'RCA Victor Dog' thing until I thought about it for a few minutes. I'd just never thought about it before! More than anything, it drives me nuts not being able to find it. (I have a bad case of CDO. That's like OCD only with the letters in the proper order!) 73, Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Morris WA6ILQ Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 6:45 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement At 06:10 AM 04/12/09, you wrote: I know we're not supposed to discuss FCC rules on this forum, so I hope this isn't across the line. I'm trying to find a Rileygram citing a repeater owner because his repeater ID'd at 10-minute intervals without user input (beaconing). Does anybody happen to have a copy or know where it's posted? I've been going through the Amateur Enforcement Actions on the FCC page, but haven't come across it yet. and am hoping not to have to dig too far! 73, Mike WM4B If you are an ARRL member, drop a note to Dan Henderson, N1ND, ARRL Regulatory Information Specialist. He worked with Riley extensively and if anybody outside the FCC has a file cabinet full of FCC notices he will. If you aren't a member, have a friend who is drop a note. Mike image001.jpgimage002.jpg
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Is this it ? https://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2002/09/18/100/?nc=1 Mike WA6ILQ At 05:10 PM 04/12/09, you wrote: If my O-O Coordinator cant lay his hands on it, I might do that. I specifically remember the letter because it made me do the RCA Victor Dog thing until I thought about it for a few minutes Id just never thought about it before! More than anything, it drives me nuts not being able to find it. (I have a bad case of CDO. Thats like OCD only with the letters in the proper order!) 73, Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Morris WA6ILQ Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 6:45 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement At 06:10 AM 04/12/09, you wrote: I know were not supposed to discuss FCC rules on this forum, so I hope this isnt across the line. Im trying to find a Rileygram citing a repeater owner because his repeater IDd at 10-minute intervals without user input (beaconing). Does anybody happen to have a copy or know where its posted? Ive been going through the Amateur Enforcement Actions on the FCC page, but havent come across it yet and am hoping not to have to dig too far! 73, Mike WM4B If you are an ARRL member, drop a note to Dan Henderson, N1ND, ARRL Regulatory Information Specialist. He worked with Riley extensively and if anybody outside the FCC has a file cabinet full of FCC notices he will. If you aren't a member, have a friend who is drop a note. Mike
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Nope. I saw that one too and it piqued my interest, but the one I'm thinking of was just a simple violation of the 'speak when spoken to' philosophy. just a repeater sending it's callsign every 10 minutes whether active or not. When I find it, I'll wonder why it took so long1 Thanks es 73, Mike WM4B _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Morris WA6ILQ Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 10:26 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement Is this it ? https://www. https://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2002/09/18/100/?nc=1 arrl.org/news/stories/2002/09/18/100/?nc=1 Mike WA6ILQ At 05:10 PM 04/12/09, you wrote: If my O-O Coordinator can't lay his hands on it, I might do that. I specifically remember the letter because it made me do the 'RCA Victor Dog' thing until I thought about it for a few minutes. I'd just never thought about it before! More than anything, it drives me nuts not being able to find it. (I have a bad case of CDO. That's like OCD only with the letters in the proper order!) 73, Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [ mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Morris WA6ILQ Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 6:45 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement At 06:10 AM 04/12/09, you wrote: I know we're not supposed to discuss FCC rules on this forum, so I hope this isn't across the line. I'm trying to find a Rileygram citing a repeater owner because his repeater ID'd at 10-minute intervals without user input (beaconing). Does anybody happen to have a copy or know where it's posted? I've been going through the Amateur Enforcement Actions on the FCC page, but haven't come across it yet. and am hoping not to have to dig too far! 73, Mike WM4B If you are an ARRL member, drop a note to Dan Henderson, N1ND, ARRL Regulatory Information Specialist. He worked with Riley extensively and if anybody outside the FCC has a file cabinet full of FCC notices he will. If you aren't a member, have a friend who is drop a note. Mike
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This example seems to be more of an interference issue as opposed to broadcasting but I remember I had the same feeling when I saw the original FCC response. Dave WB2FTX - Original Message - From: Mike Morris WA6ILQ To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 10:25 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement Is this it ? https://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2002/09/18/100/?nc=1 Mike WA6ILQ At 05:10 PM 04/12/09, you wrote: If my O-O Coordinator can't lay his hands on it, I might do that. I specifically remember the letter because it made me do the 'RCA Victor Dog' thing until I thought about it for a few minutes. I'd just never thought about it before! More than anything, it drives me nuts not being able to find it. (I have a bad case of CDO. That's like OCD only with the letters in the proper order!) 73, Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [ mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Morris WA6ILQ Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 6:45 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement At 06:10 AM 04/12/09, you wrote: I know we're not supposed to discuss FCC rules on this forum, so I hope this isn't across the line. I'm trying to find a Rileygram citing a repeater owner because his repeater ID'd at 10-minute intervals without user input (beaconing). Does anybody happen to have a copy or know where it's posted? I've been going through the Amateur Enforcement Actions on the FCC page, but haven't come across it yet. and am hoping not to have to dig too far! 73, Mike WM4B If you are an ARRL member, drop a note to Dan Henderson, N1ND, ARRL Regulatory Information Specialist. He worked with Riley extensively and if anybody outside the FCC has a file cabinet full of FCC notices he will. If you aren't a member, have a friend who is drop a note. Mike -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.54/2055 - Release Date: 04/12/09 13:14:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.54/2055 - Release Date: 04/12/09 13:14:00
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement
At 4/12/2009 15:04, you wrote: Yet Amateur Radio repeaters can legally transmit 24/7/365 (literally) and would then be required to put out and ID every 10 minutes... ...so long as they're retransmitting the communications of other amateur stations. Some busy IRLP reflectors Echolink conference nodes come to mind. Bob NO6B
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You're probably looking for this one. http://www.fcc.gov/eb/AmateurActions/files/2007_04_12_10_26_52.pdf --- Jeff -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer (WM4B) Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 10:31 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement Nope. I saw that one too and it piqued my interest, but the one I'm thinking of was just a simple violation of the 'speak when spoken to' philosophy. just a repeater sending it's callsign every 10 minutes whether active or not. When I find it, I'll wonder why it took so long1 Thanks es 73, Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Morris WA6ILQ Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 10:26 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement Is this it ? https://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2002/09/18/100/?nc=1 https://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2002/09/18/100/?nc=1 Mike WA6ILQ At 05:10 PM 04/12/09, you wrote: If my O-O Coordinator can't lay his hands on it, I might do that. I specifically remember the letter because it made me do the 'RCA Victor Dog' thing until I thought about it for a few minutes. I'd just never thought about it before! More than anything, it drives me nuts not being able to find it. (I have a bad case of CDO. That's like OCD only with the letters in the proper order!) 73, Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [ mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Morris WA6ILQ Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 6:45 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement At 06:10 AM 04/12/09, you wrote: I know we're not supposed to discuss FCC rules on this forum, so I hope this isn't across the line. I'm trying to find a Rileygram citing a repeater owner because his repeater ID'd at 10-minute intervals without user input (beaconing). Does anybody happen to have a copy or know where it's posted? I've been going through the Amateur Enforcement Actions on the FCC page, but haven't come across it yet. and am hoping not to have to dig too far! 73, Mike WM4B If you are an ARRL member, drop a note to Dan Henderson, N1ND, ARRL Regulatory Information Specialist. He worked with Riley extensively and if anybody outside the FCC has a file cabinet full of FCC notices he will. If you aren't a member, have a friend who is drop a note. Mike No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.45/2045 - Release Date: 04/11/09 10:51:00
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Bob, actually I believe the change was prompted by the NASA space shuttle rebroadcasts. 73, Paul, AE4KR - Original Message - From: n...@no6b.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement At 4/12/2009 15:04, you wrote: Yet Amateur Radio repeaters can legally transmit 24/7/365 (literally) and would then be required to put out and ID every 10 minutes... ...so long as they're retransmitting the communications of other amateur stations. Some busy IRLP reflectors Echolink conference nodes come to mind. Bob NO6B
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement
Didn't something come out a few years ago where the FCC relaxed those rules and a repeater can now ID every 10 mins without activity? -- Original Message -- Received: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 12:42:38 PM PDT From: n...@no6b.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater ID Enforcement Generally speaking, the FCC has decreed that a repeater shall not speak unless spoken to, with common-sense allowances for final IDs a few minutes after the last transmission from a user. Recurring transmissions originated from the repeater station itself are one-way transmissions are not permitted unless they are occasional QSTs of general interest (i.e. AR Newsline). A repeater IDing every 10 minutes on its own is continuously sending one-way transmissions or broadcasts, is not permitted. I once received a Notice of Operating Conditions from the local field office back in the 80's stating such, but can't find it now. Bob NO6B
