Re: RE: Scope/Phasing

2003-11-09 Thread aok123
[snip] I don't intend to inflame anyone so please don't take it in the wrong way but the Maven PMC sounds like a closed society to me. The maven-new details are hidden pending some PMC conclusions. The Wagon details are hidden as well again pending PMC conclusions. There just

Re: [Possible Incubation] Apache Repo

2003-11-09 Thread Stephen McConnell
Roy T. Fielding wrote: Small note - some of the participants on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] are discussing the actual requirements - which from my (and other) point(s) of view go beyond a file-system http protocol cut-and-dried implementation solution. Some consider this area to be much more than an

Re: [Possible Incubation] Apache Repo

2003-11-09 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 21:47, Stephen McConnell wrote: Roy T. Fielding wrote: Small note - some of the participants on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] are discussing the actual requirements - which from my (and other) point(s) of view go beyond a file-system http protocol cut-and-dried

Re: [Possible Incubation] Apache Repo

2003-11-09 Thread Stephen McConnell
Jason van Zyl wrote: On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 21:47, Stephen McConnell wrote: Roy T. Fielding wrote: Small note - some of the participants on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] are discussing the actual requirements - which from my (and other) point(s) of view go beyond a file-system http protocol

Re: [Possible Incubation] Apache Repo

2003-11-09 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 23:18, Stephen McConnell wrote: Jason van Zyl wrote: I have challenged you to give me a scenerio that I can't satisfy with something like the current Maven repository. Instead you drone on ad nauseum about the theoretical. Let's have a concrete example. Jason:

Re: [Possible Incubation] Apache Repo

2003-11-09 Thread Stephen McConnell
Jason van Zyl wrote: On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 23:18, Stephen McConnell wrote: Jason van Zyl wrote: I have challenged you to give me a scenerio that I can't satisfy with something like the current Maven repository. Instead you drone on ad nauseum about the theoretical. Let's have a

Re: [Possible Incubation] Apache Repo

2003-11-09 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 00:35, Stephen McConnell wrote: Jason: I must confess that I am intrigued by your approach to collaboration! That's because you're at least as deficient as I am in the realm of collaboration. Neither you or I are any great shining examples of an ideal collaborator.

Re: [Possible Incubation] Apache Repo

2003-11-09 Thread Stephen McConnell
Jason van Zyl wrote: On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 00:35, Stephen McConnell wrote: Jason: I must confess that I am intrigued by your approach to collaboration! That's because you're at least as deficient as I am in the realm of collaboration. Neither you or I are any great shining examples of an

Re: [Possible Incubation] Apache Repo

2003-11-09 Thread Roy T. Fielding
It is usually unwise to mix insults with requests. However, the point of collaboration is not to obtain the civility of a collegial discussion over tea; the point is to accomplish the task. Continual discussion of issues that are not relevant to the task being collaborated upon is not

RE: [Possible Incubation] Apache Repo

2003-11-09 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Neither you or I are any great shining examples of an ideal collaborator. You'll have to bear with me while I try to make ammends. I will try to bear with you. Let take this at face value: someone admitting to faults, pledging to improve, asking for allowances while making even more mistakes

Re: [Possible Incubation] Apache Repo

2003-11-09 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 01:08, Stephen McConnell wrote: Jason van Zyl wrote: On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 00:35, Stephen McConnell wrote: Jason: I must confess that I am intrigued by your approach to collaboration! That's because you're at least as deficient as I am in the realm

Comments on URI Syntax

2003-11-09 Thread Tim Anderson
I have a few comments on the proposed URI Syntax, from http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ASFRepository/URISyntax. quote Compromise URI http://host/project/version/artifact-[version;].ext For example http://repo.apache.org/org-apache-ant/1.5.1/ant-1.5.1.jar

Re: [Possible Incubation] Apache Repo

2003-11-09 Thread Roy T. Fielding
I would add one more requirement to above statement - namely machine-friendly. There is an emerging requirement for application driven downloading that has the potential to significantly exceed the classic browser driven requirements that the ASF is addressing today. This has a direct impact

Re: Comments on URI Syntax

2003-11-09 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 01:41, Tim Anderson wrote: I have a few comments on the proposed URI Syntax, from http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ASFRepository/URISyntax. quote Compromise URI http://host/project/version/artifact-[version;].ext For example

RE: [Possible Incubation] Apache Repo

2003-11-09 Thread Noel J. Bergman
My idea of collaboration is something *totally* different. It sure can be once you get rid of anyone who doesn't agree with you. Neither of you has the most perfect record on collaboration. Fine. Please drop it and focus on the actual task to be addressed. Sniping at each other is not

Re: [Possible Incubation] Apache Repo

2003-11-09 Thread Stephen McConnell
Roy T. Fielding wrote: It is about safe downloading of dependencies from a virtual repository that extends across mirrored systems on a heterogeneous, multi-organizational network. The underlying infrastructure is going to be file based because it will be replicated with rsync. I sure as hell

Re: [Possible Incubation] Apache Repo

2003-11-09 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Noel J. Bergman wrote: My idea of collaboration is something *totally* different. It sure can be once you get rid of anyone who doesn't agree with you. Neither of you has the most perfect record on collaboration. Fine. Please drop it and focus on the actual task to be addressed. Sniping at

RE: Comments on URI Syntax

2003-11-09 Thread dion
Where is Tim's Layout? -- dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting Blog: http://blogs.codehaus.org/people/dion/ Pub Key:http://blogs.codehaus.org/people/dion/public-key.asc Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/11/2003 06:22:51 PM: Jason, I think that Tim's ideas were pretty

RE: Comments on URI Syntax

2003-11-09 Thread Tim Anderson
http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL PROTECTED]ms gNo=266 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 9 November 2003 7:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Comments on URI Syntax Where is Tim's Layout? -- dIon Gillard, Multitask

RE: Comments on URI Syntax

2003-11-09 Thread Michal Maczka
[snip] With the changes to the URI syntax I'm proposing, using version 1.1 of commons-dbcp as an example, the license would be stored at: http://repo.apache.org/apache/commons-dbcp/1.1/licenses/license.html not: http://repo.apache.org/apache/commons-dbcp/1.1/licenses/license-1.1.html

RE: Comments on URI Syntax

2003-11-09 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 02:22, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Jason, I think that Tim's ideas were pretty well-thought out and reflect a workable consensus. The changes you are making to his ideas, if I read the correctly, are to mandate a couple of things that he did not rule out, but permitted to

RE: Proposals

2003-11-09 Thread Noel J. Bergman
peter royal wrote: On Nov 7, 2003, at 5:37 PM, Stephen McConnell wrote: Searching is certainly on the my agenda. We need it for IDE related development, repository management, and intelligent query based artifact aquisition (and HTTP in this context is not an ideal solution). But

RE: URI/URL Syntax -- little nits to be aware of

2003-11-09 Thread Michal Maczka
1) I have angst over the version in the URI (as a 'directory') only because of the likely need for symbolic links for 'latest'. I think this is a burden on publishing tools, and leads to errors (what if two tool were publishing at same time, can symbolic links be created remotely, etc.) That

RE: Comments on URI Syntax

2003-11-09 Thread Tim Anderson
From: Michal Maczka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [snip] With the changes to the URI syntax I'm proposing, using version 1.1 of commons-dbcp as an example, the license would be stored at: http://repo.apache.org/apache/commons-dbcp/1.1/licenses/license.html not:

Re: Comments on URI Syntax

2003-11-09 Thread Stephen McConnell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From the requirements at http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ASFRepository/Requirements: ASF Repository shall ... allow browsing and downloading of artifacts by humans via normal web browser. Requiring a version to be part of the artifact file name when the

RE: URI/URL Syntax -- little nits to be aware of

2003-11-09 Thread Tim Anderson
From: Adam R. B. Jack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I know URI syntax is dragging on (and I don't know if we are coming to consensus or going round and round) but I hope folks are still open eared to this stuff, because IMHO the URI /URL syntax may be *the only critical thing* we need to

Re: URI/URL Syntax -- little nits to be aware of

2003-11-09 Thread Stephen McConnell
Tim Anderson wrote: I take the view that everything in the repository is an artifact. Tools can exclude the artifacts they don't need - there can't be any language agnostic support for this, without adding metadata. Tim: How do you address something like the following:

RE: Comments on URI Syntax

2003-11-09 Thread Tim Anderson
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] From the requirements at http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ASFRepository/Requirements: ASF Repository shall ... allow browsing and downloading of artifacts by humans via normal web browser. Requiring a version to be part of

Re: Comments on URI Syntax

2003-11-09 Thread Stephen McConnell
Tim Anderson wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] From the requirements at http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ASFRepository/Requirements: ASF Repository shall ... allow browsing and downloading of artifacts by humans via normal web browser. Requiring a version

RE: URI/URL Syntax -- little nits to be aware of

2003-11-09 Thread Tim Anderson
From: Stephen McConnell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tim Anderson wrote: I take the view that everything in the repository is an artifact. Tools can exclude the artifacts they don't need - there can't be any language agnostic support for this, without adding metadata. Tim: How do you