Re: [Resin-interest] quercus questions

2007-06-11 Thread Nathan Nobbe

Yong,

bleeding edge is cool w/ me as im a gentoo user;
the only thing i worry about going w/ quercus really, is having a product
that may be difficult to support.
my opinion of the php community is that good developers, in particular those
w/ oo skillsets are difficult,
if not almost impossible to come by, so quercus could add yet another layer
of complexity and make it
almost really impossible; i dont know though, just speculation.
as i mentioned im working w/ sqlite3 atm via pdo, but i intend to port the
same db abstraction to the other
pdo drivers like i said.  i am comfortable using quercus in an enterprise
environment for my large traffic
sites, and sticking w/ mod-php for my embedded products, but another thing i
worry about is going under the hood.
one of the reasons quercus is attractive to me is that im much more
proficient in java than c.  although i can write in both
i do struggle a bit w/ c.  so anyway if i do write some extensions to the
php language itself, i would much prefer to do
it on the quercus platform, but if the code for my embedded products is to
stay similar to that of the enterprise products
i will certainly have to write similar stuff in c anyway, should be fun i
guess, right?
at my last job we had some hard-core java guys come in and i learned a lot;
we were using tomcat, which i understand
may not be the greatest app server, but anyway code was being deployed as
war files so i have just a very crude
familiarity w/ web apps, 'the java way'.
im reading tons of material atm, but i am interested in getting started in
quercus.  if it isnt too much trouble, is there a primer
on web apps the java way online that you feel is worth mention to a beginner
like me?

thanks for your reply.

-nathan


On 6/11/07, Yong Bakos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Hi Nathan, some information is here:

http://quercus.caucho.com/quercus-3.1/doc/quercus-module-status.xtp

Some info about PDO here

http://caucho.com/resin-3.1/doc/quercus-overview.xtp#databases

but understand that Quercus is bleeding edge stuff, and the best
thing to do is experiment. You will also want to educate yourself on
Web applications done 'the java way,' and how Resin, and servlet
containers in general, work.

yong


On Jun 10, 2007, at 12:46 PM, Nathan Nobbe wrote:
oh, right, i just remembered another critical thing;
the SPL.

-nathan

On 6/10/07, Nathan Nobbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
hello all,

i am interested in quercus and intend to begin experimenting with it.
just getting started, im curious if there is a list of extensions
that are known to be supported at this time.
all the extensions are listed in the php online manual, so i wonder
if theres a document that just lists
all of them and the support status under quercus.
also, i am very curious about pdo and xsl / xml.   pdo was introduced
in php5, and there are separate drivers for each database;
currently i work with sqlite3 ( corresponding pdo driver api), and in
the future will be running mysql and possibly oracle as well.
also, php5 unveiled a new xml infrastructure built on libxml2.  it
seems obvious that quercus is going to implement xml
support through some java libs, instead, but i wonder about the
simplexml and dom extensions; these are built into php5
using the new libxml2 framework; so are these extensions available in
quercus via an identical interface?
there are also a number of xsl and xslt functions.

all of these things are critical to my current system architecture
and for a viable transition to quercus all of them would need to be
available.  a reference doc would be a great starting point for me,
if its out there..

thanks,

-nathan

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Re: [Resin-interest] quercus questions

2007-06-11 Thread Yong Bakos


I love caucho products and all the work Scott has done (he's the fing  
man) but if it were me, I wouldn't use Quercus in production unless I  
was 100% sure my application ran 100% correctly on it.


That said, most php applications will run *great*, especially if you  
hand built them. When you introduce a framework, you now must check  
to be sure that framework runs correctly as well.


In getting familiar with webapps 'the java way' realize that as of  
today there is of course more than one way. But start with the  
fundamentals:


- understand jsp and servlets
-- plenty of material online (google: core servlets), but I recommend  
the Head First book

-- read Sun's servlet spec
- understand MVC aka 'model 2 mvc'
- understand struts 1
-- see the online book 'struts survival guide'
- experiment w/ Resin to learn about db connection pooling and other  
cool features


In other words, learn to build a standard Java webapp. Then learn how  
to use Quercus. Many in the java camp would cringe at the notion of  
using php for anything other than the view. In addition, the Java  
community has gone waaay past manual database interactions like the  
usual php mysql and pdo functions. So you will at some point want to  
look at ORM layers like Hibernate et al, unless you really love sql  
and string concatenation.


As for c and fun, I still have my hair and I like to keep it that  
way, but you might be a far better programmer than me.


Viel gluck,
yong




On Jun 11, 2007, at 8:54 AM, Nathan Nobbe wrote:

Yong,

bleeding edge is cool w/ me as im a gentoo user;
the only thing i worry about going w/ quercus really, is having a  
product that may be difficult to support.
my opinion of the php community is that good developers, in  
particular those w/ oo skillsets are difficult,
if not almost impossible to come by, so quercus could add yet another  
layer of complexity and make it

almost really impossible; i dont know though, just speculation.
as i mentioned im working w/ sqlite3 atm via pdo, but i intend to  
port the same db abstraction to the other
pdo drivers like i said.  i am comfortable using quercus in an  
enterprise environment for my large traffic
sites, and sticking w/ mod-php for my embedded products, but another  
thing i worry about is going under the hood.
one of the reasons quercus is attractive to me is that im much more  
proficient in java than c.  although i can write in both
i do struggle a bit w/ c.  so anyway if i do write some extensions to  
the php language itself, i would much prefer to do
it on the quercus platform, but if the code for my embedded products  
is to stay similar to that of the enterprise products
i will certainly have to write similar stuff in c anyway, should be  
fun i guess, right?
at my last job we had some hard-core java guys come in and i learned  
a lot; we were using tomcat, which i understand
may not be the greatest app server, but anyway code was being  
deployed as war files so i have just a very crude

familiarity w/ web apps, 'the java way'.
im reading tons of material atm, but i am interested in getting  
started in quercus.  if it isnt too much trouble, is there a primer
on web apps the java way online that you feel is worth mention to a  
beginner like me?


thanks for your reply.

-nathan


On 6/11/07, Yong Bakos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Nathan, some information is here:

http://quercus.caucho.com/quercus-3.1/doc/quercus-module-status.xtp

Some info about PDO here

http://caucho.com/resin-3.1/doc/quercus-overview.xtp#databases

but understand that Quercus is bleeding edge stuff, and the best
thing to do is experiment. You will also want to educate yourself on
Web applications done 'the java way,' and how Resin, and servlet
containers in general, work.

yong


On Jun 10, 2007, at 12:46 PM, Nathan Nobbe wrote:
oh, right, i just remembered another critical thing;
the SPL.

-nathan

On 6/10/07, Nathan Nobbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
hello all,

i am interested in quercus and intend to begin experimenting with it.
just getting started, im curious if there is a list of extensions
that are known to be supported at this time.
all the extensions are listed in the php online manual, so i wonder
if theres a document that just lists
all of them and the support status under quercus.
also, i am very curious about pdo and xsl / xml.   pdo was introduced
in php5, and there are separate drivers for each database;
currently i work with sqlite3 ( corresponding pdo driver api), and in
the future will be running mysql and possibly oracle as well.
also, php5 unveiled a new xml infrastructure built on libxml2.  it
seems obvious that quercus is going to implement xml
support through some java libs, instead, but i wonder about the
simplexml and dom extensions; these are built into php5
using the new libxml2 framework; so are these extensions available in
quercus via an identical interface?
there are also a number of xsl and xslt functions.

all of these things are 

[Resin-interest] quercus questions

2007-06-10 Thread Nathan Nobbe

hello all,

i am interested in quercus and intend to begin experimenting with it.
just getting started, im curious if there is a list of extensions that are *
known* to be supported at this time.
all the extensions are listed in the php online
manualhttp://www.php.net/manual/en/index.php,
so i wonder if theres a document that just lists
all of them and the support status under quercus.
also, i am very curious about pdo and xsl / xml.
pdohttp://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.pdo.phpwas introduced in php5,
and there are separate drivers for each database;
currently i work with sqlite3 (corresponding pdo driver
apihttp://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.pdo-sqlite.php),
and in the future will be running mysql and possibly oracle as well.
also, php5 unveiled a new xml infrastructure built on libxml2.  it seems
obvious that quercus is going to implement xml
support through some java libs, instead, but i wonder about the
simplexmlhttp://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.simplexml.phpand
dom http://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.dom.php extensions; these are built
into php5
using the new libxml2 framework; so are these extensions available in
quercus via an identical interface?
there are also a number of xsl http://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.xsl.phpand
xslt http://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.xslt.php functions.

all of these things are critical to my current system architecture and for a
viable transition to quercus all of them would need to be
available.  a reference doc would be a great starting point for me, if its
out there..

thanks,

-nathan
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Re: [Resin-interest] quercus questions

2007-06-10 Thread Nathan Nobbe

oh, right, i just remembered another *critical* thing;
the SPL http://www.php.net/~helly/php/ext/spl/.

-nathan

On 6/10/07, Nathan Nobbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


hello all,

i am interested in quercus and intend to begin experimenting with it.
just getting started, im curious if there is a list of extensions that are
*known* to be supported at this time.
all the extensions are listed in the php online 
manualhttp://www.php.net/manual/en/index.php,
so i wonder if theres a document that just lists
all of them and the support status under quercus.
also, i am very curious about pdo and xsl / xml.   
pdohttp://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.pdo.phpwas introduced in php5, and there 
are separate drivers for each database;
currently i work with sqlite3 ( corresponding pdo driver 
apihttp://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.pdo-sqlite.php),
and in the future will be running mysql and possibly oracle as well.
also, php5 unveiled a new xml infrastructure built on libxml2.  it seems
obvious that quercus is going to implement xml
support through some java libs, instead, but i wonder about the 
simplexmlhttp://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.simplexml.phpand
dom http://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.dom.php extensions; these are built
into php5
using the new libxml2 framework; so are these extensions available in
quercus via an identical interface?
there are also a number of xsl http://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.xsl.phpand
xslt http://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.xslt.php functions.

all of these things are critical to my current system architecture and for
a viable transition to quercus all of them would need to be
available.  a reference doc would be a great starting point for me, if its
out there..

thanks,

-nathan

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[Resin-interest] quercus questions

2007-06-10 Thread Yong Bakos

Hi Nathan, some information is here:

http://quercus.caucho.com/quercus-3.1/doc/quercus-module-status.xtp

Some info about PDO here

http://caucho.com/resin-3.1/doc/quercus-overview.xtp#databases

but understand that Quercus is bleeding edge stuff, and the best  
thing to do is experiment. You will also want to educate yourself on  
Web applications done 'the java way,' and how Resin, and servlet  
containers in general, work.

yong


On Jun 10, 2007, at 12:46 PM, Nathan Nobbe wrote:
oh, right, i just remembered another critical thing;
the SPL.

-nathan

On 6/10/07, Nathan Nobbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
hello all,

i am interested in quercus and intend to begin experimenting with it.
just getting started, im curious if there is a list of extensions  
that are known to be supported at this time.
all the extensions are listed in the php online manual, so i wonder  
if theres a document that just lists
all of them and the support status under quercus.
also, i am very curious about pdo and xsl / xml.   pdo was introduced  
in php5, and there are separate drivers for each database;
currently i work with sqlite3 ( corresponding pdo driver api), and in  
the future will be running mysql and possibly oracle as well.
also, php5 unveiled a new xml infrastructure built on libxml2.  it  
seems obvious that quercus is going to implement xml
support through some java libs, instead, but i wonder about the  
simplexml and dom extensions; these are built into php5
using the new libxml2 framework; so are these extensions available in  
quercus via an identical interface?
there are also a number of xsl and xslt functions.

all of these things are critical to my current system architecture  
and for a viable transition to quercus all of them would need to be
available.  a reference doc would be a great starting point for me,  
if its out there..

thanks,

-nathan

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