RE: ARCserve vs Retrospect Server Backup

2001-03-08 Thread Kraut, David

Ben,

We're only a Windows shop and do not use the Open File Manager product.  My
Servers are a mix of Windows NT4 and Windows 2000 and my clients are a mix
of Windows 9x, NTW4 and Win2000Pro.  

Sorry I couldn't be of more assistance   

David

 -Original Message-
From:   Ben Eastwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent:   Wednesday, March 07, 2001 5:42 PM
To: retro-talk
Subject:Re: ARCserve vs Retrospect Server Backup

David-
Are you also using Open File Manager, and if so does it work OK in Win2k
with Services for Mac? ( I know this is not really a retrospect issue, but
not totally offtopic..)
-- 
Ben Eastwood
IT Manager
wilweb.com
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 From: "Kraut, David" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 17:11:38 -0500
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 Subject: RE: ARCserve vs Retrospect Server Backup
 
 I use it to back up a mix of (20) NT4 and Win2000 Servers.  The retrospect
 program is running on a 2000 Server and works fine.  I've also used
ArcServe
 in the past and wild horses couldn't drag me back to that nightmare of a
 product!!  :)
 
 
 
 
 
 David Kraut
 
 
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 Subject: ARCserve vs Retrospect Server Backup
 
 
 I've been using ARCserve for many years to backup my NT 4.0 Server and
 NT Workstations and long time ago to backup a Novell server.  For the
 Mac side of things though I've always preferred and used Retrospect.  I
 prefer Retrospect because it's much easier to install, use and maintain
 than ARCserve.  Both products have been very reliable though I'd have to
 say that Retrospect has proved to be a little more reliable than ARCserve.
 
 Now I'm finding myself needing to upgrade ARCserve to the new ARCserve
 2000.  However, I'd really rather drop ARCserve and switch to Retrospect
 Server Backup to perform the NT 4.0 Server (and eventually Windows 200
 Server) and NT Workstation backups.  Comparing the the two product's
 features and supported drives looks to be essentially the same.
 
 Anyone out there with experience using Retrospect Server Backup on a
 Windows NT 4.0 Server?  I'd love to get some feedback about it.
 
 Thanks!!
 
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RE: Purchasing a new system

2001-01-26 Thread Kraut, David

Pardon my ignorance but I visited your site and did not see any mention of
this M2 format?  Where can I get details on it?

David




 -Original Message-
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Sent:   Friday, January 26, 2001 11:50 AM
To: 'retro-talk'
Subject:RE: Purchasing a new system

Definitely.  Every technology needs streaming data for optimized
performance.

One cool thing about M2, it has a huge buffer (32MB).  AIT-2 has 8MB.  M2
uses this larger buffer to help adjust for varying host speeds.  M2 can vary
its tape speed to match the host.  With so much memory, it can cache more
files and flush the buffer accordingly.

M2 is more expensive than the AIT series, but less expensive than a DLT
8000.  I personally don't know why anyone would buy a DLT 8000 knowing M2 is
2x faster, 50% larger per tape and costs less.  Only guys who need backward
read compatibility have been buying DLT from us these days.  Now that they
know generation I of the SDLT (SuperDLT) will not be backward compatible
with previous DLT formats, many of them have been moving to AIT and M2
(which promise larger capacities with future generations and complete
backward compatibility).  This explains why you can find so many DLT drives
on eBay.

Steve
Cybernetics
www.cybernetics.com


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Subject: Re: Purchasing a new system


 DLT has not addressed that issue.  Since linear pulls the tape across the
 heads at a faster rate (150 inches per second vs helical scan's
.5"/second),
 it requires streaming -- otherwise you end up "shoe-shining".  This
 reposition is very intense on the heads/tape of a linear drive.

 This applies to more than just DLT.  Anything linear can suffer from this.

 4mm, AIT and M2 are not plagued with this problem.

Not really. AIT and DAT and I assume M2 spin the heads and slow down the
tape but the relative speeds are in the same neighborhood. (I assume
it's easier to spin the heads faster than move the tape faster which is
why DLT appears to be falling behind in the race.) Anyway, you still
need to keep the data flowing at the speed of the drive or it will stop
streaming and get into tape stuttering or rewinds to reposition. This
also causes a large loss in tape capacity as there's a lot of recording
overhead in starting or stopping a stream.


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RE: Purchasing a new system

2001-01-23 Thread Kraut, David

Julia,

I can't speak for the other tape formats but I have always used DLT as it
seems to be the "Industry Standard".  I would recommend taking a look at the
HP series of Autoloaders.  I use an HP SureStore 818 which holds up to (8)
40GB Tapes (80GB compressed) so I can store up to 640GB on a set.  In
reality I only use 6 tapes in the magazine to keep things more manageable so
I can get up to 480GB on a magazine set.  We also have lots of single DLT
drives around but I only use those for special tasks.  So far It's been
working out very well .

Here's a link to the HP series of products for you 
http://www.products.storage.hp.com/eprise/main/storage/DisplayPages/storagei
ndex.htm







David Kraut
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 -Original Message-
From:   Julia Frizzell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent:   Tuesday, January 23, 2001 10:24 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Purchasing a new system

Hello folks!

We recently got our funding for another 5 years from the federal 
government, and including in our first year budgeting is the money 
for a new backup system. I'm not planning on leaving Retrospect 
behind, so all I really need help with is a new tape drive system.

Currently, we are using one DDS-3 tape drive for our entire local 
base of about 70 users. About 65 of those are Mac users, and about 5 
are Windows NT boxen. We also have 7 Mac machines that are various 
servers, and 3 NT servers. For the users, we only back up their 
bookmarks.html file and their Documents folder (using ASR we can 
restore a desktop in little time, so there's no real need to backup 
the entire hard drive), and *currently* we only back up the My 
Documents folder for the NT user boxen, and specific directories for 
our servers.

The desktops are backed up to tape nightly, with the laptops being 
backed up to tape during the day by a backup server. The servers are 
backed up weekly to hard drive (only exception being our Staff volume 
getting backed up nightly). The main reason for the latter is that we 
don't have anyone to do a tape switch after the Friday backup, I 
think (this system was in place before I got here).

We change the nightly tapes daily, with incrementals M-Th, and a 
recycle backup on Friday. I alternate tapes weekly, with an A set and 
a B set.

What I would like to do: The backup server system mentioned by Craig 
last week sounds like it would work great for me. I want to back up 
the servers nightly as well, which will increase the space each set 
takes up.

I am also interested in doing a remote backup of our NYC office. They 
have static IPs, and could possibly be added to our backup sets. They 
have laptops and desktops, and I'm just not sure if I want to go that 
route, but it's a possibility. But on the other hand, if we do get a 
new tape drive, we could send them our old one and they could use 
that to backup.

So, should I keep the same tape system (DDS-3) and get a new drive 
(auto-loader), get an additional drive (poor man's auto-loader), or 
go with something new? I have the archive of this list from last 
year, when someone went through and priced the different drives...ah, 
found it! [see below] DDS-3 was second to Ecrix (oh, it's pronounced 
ah-kree! Just noticed that on their web page. I'll have to stop 
calling it eh-cricks :).

Oh, Retrospect is running on a Mac vanilla G3. It *could* possibly be 
run on a MP G4, with a SCSI card or maybe Firewire/USB if that was 
the way to go.

Advice would be appreciated.

At 1:36 AM -0700 8/3/00, Larry Acosta Wong wrote:
[only part of message enclosed]

   Tran#Tapes  Total   True
Model  (GB)   RatePrice Media  Req'd  Price   $/GB
---
VXA-1   333MB/s$539  $6712   $1,343   $3.39
DDS-3   121MB/s$777  $1627   $1,209   $3.73
DDS-24  .51MB/s$606   $775   $1,131   $3.77
SC30152MB/s$438  $4121   $1,299   $4.12
ADR50   252MB/s$697  $4612   $1,249   $4.16
VXA-1   333MB/s$939  $6712   $1,743   $4.40
Eliant 820   71MB/s  $1,160   $845   $1,520   $4.83
DDS-4   203MB/s  $1,072  $3315   $1,567   $5.22
Mammoth-LT  142MB/s  $1,193  $3524   $2,033   $6.05
DLT 400020  1.5MB/s  $1,352  $6415   $2,312   $7.71
Sony AIT-1  353MB/s  $1,913  $88 9   $2,705   $8.59
Mammoth 203MB/s  $2,126  $5615   $2,966   $9.89
Exabyte M2  60   12MB/s  $3,777  $80 6   $4,257  $11.83
DLT 8000406MB/s  $3,915  $64 9   $4,491  $12.48
Sony AIT-2  506MB/s  $3,289  $94 6   $3,853  $12.84

For this comparison, I've included the VXA-1 at the promotional 
price since it's been extended through Aug and is available to 
everyone. The total cost of DDS-3 is actually $134 cheaper than the 
VXA-1 but the 

How to keep tapes separated?

2001-01-02 Thread Kraut, David


I'm having a small issue but  I'm sure there is a better way to achieve what
I'm trying to do.  I have (2) backup sets that I rotate each week in my HP
Surestore 8 slot Autoloader.  I have a different magazine cartridge for each
script and only want Backup A to go to Magazine A and Backup B to go to
Magazine B.  I always keep one set off site.  The problem starts when we
have a holiday or when I forget to rotate the magazine on the correct day.
If Script A tries to run and doesn't find the last tape it was working on it
looks for a blank tape.  If it finds a blank it names it backup A # and
starts backing up so now I end up with backup A tapes in both magazines as
well as Backup B tapes in both?  I do not want A or B tapes mixed in the
magazine but I do want the script to use a blank tape when the current tape
fills up.  Am I missing something here?


David


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RE: backing up exchange server?

2000-12-21 Thread Kraut, David

Yes!  Go here and choose Exchange




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is there any way to do it?



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RE: backing up exchange server?

2000-12-21 Thread Kraut, David

Yes!  Go here and choose Exchange

http://www.dantz.com/index.php3?SCREEN=db_addons#ES




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is there any way to do it?



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RE: backing up exchange server?

2000-12-21 Thread Kraut, David

Yes!  Go here and choose Exchange
http://www.dantz.com/index.php3?SCREEN=db_addons#ES


 -Original Message-
From:   andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent:   Thursday, December 21, 2000 2:44 PM
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Subject:Re: backing up exchange server?

nt box...i didn't see the exchange agent
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 I thought Dantz had an exchange agent?  It's on their web site.  Are you
 trying to back it up from a Mac across the network or from an NT box?

 Steve

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 Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 1:30 PM
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 Andrew-
 If the issue is open files not being backed up, you could try Open File
 Manager from St. Bernard Software, which I use, with some success, to back
 up a Lotus Notes server.
 There are issues with Services for Macintosh which I have yet to work out,
 but other than that it seems pretty cool.
 --Ben




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Backing up NAS devices with Retrospect?

2000-12-15 Thread Kraut, David

Is there anyway to backup devices like "Snap Servers" www.snapserver.com
http://www.snapserver.com  or "MaxAttach" www.maxattach.com
http://www.maxattach.com  NAS devices using Retrospect?  These devices are
basically smart hard drives and there is now way to install the Retro Client
to them?




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How can I stop an NT service before backup?

2000-10-31 Thread Kraut, David

I have a backup job that backs up several servers during the night.  One of
these servers has a SQL database that will not back up properly unless the
NT SQLBase service is stopped first.  I went thru the support docs and they
all talk about external scripting?  Is there a simple way that I can stop a
Windows NT service prior to backup of this server and then start it up again
after backup.  I know about the "net stop service" command but have no clue
how to implement within retrospect.  Also, I'm backing up 10 servers in this
script so it would best if I could stop this service immediately before
backing the SQL server and then start the service immediately after backup
of this server is complete.  Sometimes my backup jobs run into the morning
hours so I can't afford to have this service stopped during the entire
script.

Any ideas??

TIA!!

David


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RE: How can I stop an NT service before backup?

2000-10-31 Thread Kraut, David

Thanks Ben but like I mentioned, my backups sometimes start at 7:00PM and
are still running the next morning when I come in!  I am backing up 10+
servers to a tape library and I can't leave the service down for that long
of a time 

 -Original Message-
From:   Ben Mihailescu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent:   Tuesday, October 31, 2000 5:20 PM
To: retro-talk
Subject:Re: How can I stop an NT service before backup?

How about you run an AT job with "net stop service" before your backup
starts
and then you run an AT job with "net start service" after retrospect is
done.

HTH, Ben

"Kraut, David" wrote:

 I have a backup job that backs up several servers during the night.  One
of
 these servers has a SQL database that will not back up properly unless the
 NT SQLBase service is stopped first.  I went thru the support docs and
they
 all talk about external scripting?  Is there a simple way that I can stop
a
 Windows NT service prior to backup of this server and then start it up
again
 after backup.  I know about the "net stop service" command but have no
clue
 how to implement within retrospect.  Also, I'm backing up 10 servers in
this
 script so it would best if I could stop this service immediately before
 backing the SQL server and then start the service immediately after backup
 of this server is complete.  Sometimes my backup jobs run into the morning
 hours so I can't afford to have this service stopped during the entire
 script.

 Any ideas??

 TIA!!

 David

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RE: endless locating

2000-10-31 Thread Kraut, David

Have you tried cleaning the DLT drive with a cleaning tape?


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Sent:   Tuesday, October 31, 2000 5:40 PM
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Subject:endless locating

Hello,

I have a DLT tape that we were trying to de-archive something from 
and the drive is just fast forwarding and then rewinding. I just 
keeps going and never gives an error or makes any progress. Is this a 
bad tape or is this a corrupt catalog? Any Ideas? I have never seen 
something like this.


Shawn
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