Re: Backup server question
Instead of using volumes to backup, use selectors. Meaning, each folder you are backing up is viewed as a volume, so Retrospect finishes the backup for that volume and then restarts for the next folder. By using selectors instead, you can have it backup the users volume, but using selected folders only. This would make all those messages go away, plus I think it would speed the backup up by quite a bit as well as it does not have to log off and then log back into the client for each folder. Making a selector to select each folder is fairly easy. You can also make the selector only do the selection on selected laptops. (hehe, just had to say that). Matt Oh, you know what? I think I'm confusing this with notification that a folder was backed up. One of my laptop users has seven folders being backed up by a backup server script. He would get a notification for every folder. It was annoying. He turned it off in the preferences. Yes, the screen saver comes on when a user shuts down and leaves the client running. However, I see that with multiple folders all set to be backed up by a backup *server* script (not a regular script), the computer gets shut down after the first one. Thus, the following folders don't get backed up until the next day. Scott Ponzani -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
Re: Backup server question
Ok, I'm going to see if I can clear this up. You probably don't have this problem Steve. It looks like he is creating separate backups for each folder. Meaning, each folder on that one client is acting like another client. Therefore, after the first one is backed up, and the machine is set to shutdown after backup, the machine shuts down. If you are using selectors, you shouldn't be having this problem at all. Well that's not good news. Right now, my backup scripts back up 2 specific folders- the Documents and System Folder: CE Software: QuickMail Internet: Users (the stupid home of QuickMail Pro mail until 2.1 allowed you to move it). I wouldn't like only getting one of the 2 folders on each pass. If the computer is NOT sitting on the screen saver when the Backup Server does it's job, will all the folders be duplicated? I'll try to verify this myself, but right now 'm fighting a Device Trouble error 209. I think I've sidestepped it by just moving to a new tape, but I'm always worried about the ability to restore in these situitations Steve. -- Steve Yuroff Network and System Administrator The Hiebing Group Madison, WI. -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
RE: Backup server question
Essentially, here's what you want to do: 1. Create a backup server script (AutomateScriptsNewBackup Server) that backs up notebooks all the time (the default). 2. Create another backup server script that backs up desktops between 8PM and 8AM only. 3. Create a third script that's a regular script that backs up the servers at your desired start time. What will happen: Notebooks will be backed up during the day, as they appear on the network. Desktops will only be backed up at night. Servers will be backed up when scheduled (overriding the backup server scripts). When the servers are done, the backup server scripts will start again. I'll add to this by saying that your laptop users will have the choice of deferring the backups as they come up as well. Plus, if that script is 24 hours, they could choose to have it back up at night and leave the laptop connected. I use 2 scripts. One for all desktops and servers. Backs those up every night between 7pm and 6am and from Friday at 7pm until 6am Monday it does the full backup. The laptop script uses the same backup set and backs up the laptops as they come available or when they schedule to do the backup. (setting in the clients). I've got several laptop users that will force a backup before they leave each night or before they go on a trip. It works well. I used to have two different backup sets, but I also had a DAT tape changer. I now use a single DLT drive which has twice the capacity of the Changer and my number of clients were cut to about 1/4th of what they were. The data being backed up is about the same size though. Strangely enough... Backed up about 30 GB with the changer and about 70 machines. Now, I have 20 machines and backup about 35 GB. Matt -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
Re: Backup server question
I don't know if this will work for you but it did for me. I also have a small number of laptops in my backup routine (12 PowerBook G3's) So I set up a separate script that attempts a backup at lunch everyday. They can defer if they are working through lunch. I only back up their preferences folder, Documents and the Desktop folder so it usually goes pretty fast. Even if I don't get every laptop everyday at least I get them a couple of times a week. The laptops are also on the regular nightly backups so if the do leave their laptops in the building, they will get backed up then. I'm not too worried about having them backed up twice, better to have too much backup than not enough. Tim matt barkdull wrote: Essentially, here's what you want to do: 1. Create a backup server script (AutomateScriptsNewBackup Server) that backs up notebooks all the time (the default). 2. Create another backup server script that backs up desktops between 8PM and 8AM only. 3. Create a third script that's a regular script that backs up the servers at your desired start time. What will happen: Notebooks will be backed up during the day, as they appear on the network. Desktops will only be backed up at night. Servers will be backed up when scheduled (overriding the backup server scripts). When the servers are done, the backup server scripts will start again. I'll add to this by saying that your laptop users will have the choice of deferring the backups as they come up as well. Plus, if that script is 24 hours, they could choose to have it back up at night and leave the laptop connected. I use 2 scripts. One for all desktops and servers. Backs those up every night between 7pm and 6am and from Friday at 7pm until 6am Monday it does the full backup. The laptop script uses the same backup set and backs up the laptops as they come available or when they schedule to do the backup. (setting in the clients). I've got several laptop users that will force a backup before they leave each night or before they go on a trip. It works well. I used to have two different backup sets, but I also had a DAT tape changer. I now use a single DLT drive which has twice the capacity of the Changer and my number of clients were cut to about 1/4th of what they were. The data being backed up is about the same size though. Strangely enough... Backed up about 30 GB with the changer and about 70 machines. Now, I have 20 machines and backup about 35 GB. Matt -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050. -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
Re: Backup server question
Don't forget that if you enter 0 in the "Client Countdown" option, the client won't get a chance to defer the backup. I have a few users that just didn't want to deal with a dialog box for each folder getting backed up on their machine. So I set the countdown to zero and they set their CPU usage preference to favor them over the backup process and not be notified when backup is complete. It's been working well. Speaking of this, I have a question about backup server behavior. When a user has shut down (Mac) and the client defers it until backup, is the machine supposed to stay on until each folder is backed up (like a regular backup script) or are backup server scripts designed to shut down after only the first folder is backed up? (I'm using groups, by the way.) Thanks. Scott Ponzani From: matt barkdull [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "retro-talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 23:20:29 -0900 To: "retro-talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: "Backup server" question Essentially, here's what you want to do: 1. Create a backup server script (AutomateScriptsNewBackup Server) that backs up notebooks all the time (the default). 2. Create another backup server script that backs up desktops between 8PM and 8AM only. 3. Create a third script that's a regular script that backs up the servers at your desired start time. What will happen: Notebooks will be backed up during the day, as they appear on the network. Desktops will only be backed up at night. Servers will be backed up when scheduled (overriding the backup server scripts). When the servers are done, the backup server scripts will start again. I'll add to this by saying that your laptop users will have the choice of deferring the backups as they come up as well. Plus, if that script is 24 hours, they could choose to have it back up at night and leave the laptop connected. I use 2 scripts. One for all desktops and servers. Backs those up every night between 7pm and 6am and from Friday at 7pm until 6am Monday it does the full backup. The laptop script uses the same backup set and backs up the laptops as they come available or when they schedule to do the backup. (setting in the clients). I've got several laptop users that will force a backup before they leave each night or before they go on a trip. It works well. I used to have two different backup sets, but I also had a DAT tape changer. I now use a single DLT drive which has twice the capacity of the Changer and my number of clients were cut to about 1/4th of what they were. The data being backed up is about the same size though. Strangely enough... Backed up about 30 GB with the changer and about 70 machines. Now, I have 20 machines and backup about 35 GB. Matt -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050. -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
Re: Backup server question
Yet another method. I have four different backup server scripts. All of them follow these patterns. 1 Run from 7:00 am to 6:00 pm. 2 Attempt to backup laptops daily 3 Backs up to two file sets each (A B), rather than tape. This is to reduce wear and tear on any slower network connections. Two are used to insure availability of backup data when alternate backup set is reset. 4 On alternate bi-weekly cycles each file set is reset and backup all members of its group. 5 Sets are backed up to tape every three months. These are the different scripts in use 1 PC laptops - Script targets specific directories such as Mail, Documents and PIM files. 2 Mac laptops - Users assign a backup label to folders or files to determine what to backup. I preset the preferences, mail and browser folders. The last label is reserved for this function. 3 Encrypted file set - For obvious reasons such as the publisher. 4 All Data - For systems that are so complex to setup that I don't want to rebuild them. From: Julia Frizzell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "retro-talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:59:10 -0500 To: "retro-talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: "Backup server" question At 10:46 PM -0600 1/17/01, Steve Yuroff wrote: Hello, list! I've read the manual, reviewed the archives, but I'm still not sure if this is a good idea, (or if I completely "get it") so I'd like the list's input: I'm responsible for a 100bT network with about 50 desktops, 15 laptops and 3 servers, backing up to a DDS-3 8 tape autoloader, and perhaps soon to an AIT-II autoloader. I've been using a backup script to handle the backups, but it has the problem of missing the commonly absent laptops. I'm looking at using the "backup server" feature to access the laptops on demand. What I'm not clear on is the best way to do it, and have 2 ideas: 1) Have a script that backs up all the desktops (user machines and servers) overnight, and backup all the laptops via Backup Server starting early in the day. This way, the laptops left overnight could get backed up before the users arrive, and those that arrive later will get addressed as they're available. However, if I do this, can both methods write to the same storage set? 2) Do all the machines via Backup Server. But is there a way to use Backup Server and guarantee that Retrospect won't try to access desktops and servers during the day, but only at night? It seems to me that if I make the active time start at midnight with a "backup every 24 hrs" set, it should work that way, but I'm not confident I'm right. I may end up going to the style recommended by Craig in another email, once we get our new tape drive system. But I started with an experiment with a backup server script, so this is what I do: Laptop backup server runs from 8:30 to 3:30, Monday-Friday. All the laptop user's hard drives (not the client itself, otherwise it will back up floppies and zips and annoy the users) are in this backup set. Users can defer the backup to a later time, but know when it ends so they plan accordingly. They have their own backup tape. Desktop and servers run on a regular script, which runs at night. They have their own set of backup tapes, which rotates every night for two weeks of tapes. I hope this helps! -- --- Julia Frizzell [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.netspace.org/~glyneth http://www.theblackroad.org "Insert pithy quote here." -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050. -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
