Re: unix client?

2001-03-08 Thread matt barkdull

A linux client is in Beta right now, but no final is out.


is there a client for backing up datafiles on a Unix server?




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Re: unix client?

2001-03-08 Thread andrew

The situation I'm in is that the client has this monster 600-gig Unix
fileserver that they want to back up, but everything else on the network is
NT. The files on the big server rarely change (think optical
jukebox--although it's not that exactly, just a huge RAID array with static
files on it) but they want it backed up as well in case it should ever
crash.

Would the beta client be able to accommodate that scenario?

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RE: unix client?

2001-03-08 Thread Stephen Jones

What about running Samba on the Unix machine and backing it up across the
network as an NT volume?

Steve
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The situation I'm in is that the client has this monster 600-gig Unix
fileserver that they want to back up, but everything else on the network is
NT. The files on the big server rarely change (think optical
jukebox--although it's not that exactly, just a huge RAID array with static
files on it) but they want it backed up as well in case it should ever
crash.

Would the beta client be able to accommodate that scenario?

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 A linux client is in Beta right now, but no final is out.


 is there a client for backing up datafiles on a Unix server?
 



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Re: unix client?

2001-03-08 Thread Malcolm McLeary

Hi Stephen,

on 9/3/01 9:21 AM, Stephen Jones at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What about running Samba on the Unix machine and backing it up across the
 network as an NT volume?

This is what I currently do with some Linux servers ... its ok, but I don't
let samba "publish" the whole system ... just the user data areas.  The
biggest problem is that you can't preserve the linux file ownership or
permissions.  This is acceptable for user data, but not for a whole system.

I'm also trialing the Retrospect "beta" Linux client ... it's great!

Cheers,  Malcolm

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Re: unix client?

2001-03-08 Thread andrew

like, leave the volume "mounted" on the backup server and have it back it up
that way?
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 What about running Samba on the Unix machine and backing it up across the
 network as an NT volume?

 Steve
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 The situation I'm in is that the client has this monster 600-gig Unix
 fileserver that they want to back up, but everything else on the network
is
 NT. The files on the big server rarely change (think optical
 jukebox--although it's not that exactly, just a huge RAID array with
static
 files on it) but they want it backed up as well in case it should ever
 crash.

 Would the beta client be able to accommodate that scenario?

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  A linux client is in Beta right now, but no final is out.
 
 
  is there a client for backing up datafiles on a Unix server?
  
 
 
 
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Re: Unix?

2000-03-15 Thread Verne Arase

At 11:50 AM -0800 3/14/00, Doug Hinschberger wrote:
Jon Gardner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoted

  Run Samba on the UNIX boxes to provide SMB filesharing. You can then mount
the shared drives on the NT box (if that's your backup platform) or buy DAVE
for the Mac OS and use that to mount the UNIX and NT drives on the Mac in
order to back them up using Retrospect.

What about using Netatalk to mount volumes on a Unix/Linux box for
Retrospect to backup? Anyone doing this?

Aren't you polluting the network with twice the traffic if you do this?
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Re: Unix?

2000-03-15 Thread Rich Lafferty

On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 03:19:46AM -0600, Verne Arase ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 At 11:50 AM -0800 3/14/00, Doug Hinschberger wrote:
 Jon Gardner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoted
 
   Run Samba on the UNIX boxes to provide SMB filesharing. You can then mount
 the shared drives on the NT box (if that's your backup platform) or buy DAVE
 for the Mac OS and use that to mount the UNIX and NT drives on the Mac in
 order to back them up using Retrospect.
 
 What about using Netatalk to mount volumes on a Unix/Linux box for
 Retrospect to backup? Anyone doing this?

 Aren't you polluting the network with twice the traffic if you do this?

I'm not sure I understand why; if you mount the netatalk-shared volume
on the machine that's running retrospect, then you're still moving
each file across the network once.

Unfortunately, you throw away all of your ownership and permissions
information at the same time. :-/

  -Rich

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Re: Unix?

2000-03-14 Thread Doug Hinschberger

Jon Gardner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoted

 I need to set up tape backup for a web site which runs on four Sun
 Solaris Unix boxes and one NT machine. Unfortunately, it does not
 look like Retrospect can do the job. Anyone have experience with
 other solutions or have any suggestions?

Run Samba on the UNIX boxes to provide SMB filesharing. You can then mount
the shared drives on the NT box (if that's your backup platform) or buy DAVE
for the Mac OS and use that to mount the UNIX and NT drives on the Mac in
order to back them up using Retrospect.

What about using Netatalk to mount volumes on a Unix/Linux box for 
Retrospect to backup? Anyone doing this?



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Re: Unix?

2000-03-14 Thread Stefan Jeglinski

What about using Netatalk to mount volumes on a Unix/Linux box for
Retrospect to backup? Anyone doing this?

Unless I'm missing something obvious, the issue that keeps coming 
back to haunt Dantz :-) is that there is no client to run on the *nix 
box. Netatalk or not, Retrospect has no way to communicate directly 
with the *nix box because there is no client to accept the 
proprietary connection.

OTOH, you could in principle run an Applescript to mount the volume, 
copy over what you want to the Mac side, and then have that in a 
queue for Retro to back up. Alternatively, you could run a cron job 
in the *nix box that created a tarball of what you wanted backed up, 
and potentially ftp or otherwise transfer it to another Windoze/Mac 
machine that was being backed up by Retro.

This wouldn't be too efficient for large amounts of data, but it is 
what we plan to do initially with a LinuxPPC box we've added to the 
office.

Until Dantz comes up with a *nix client, that is :-)


Stefan Jeglinski



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Re: Unix?

2000-03-14 Thread Jon Gardner

on 3/14/2000 2:23 PM, Stefan Jeglinski at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What about using Netatalk to mount volumes on a Unix/Linux box for
 Retrospect to backup? Anyone doing this?
 
 Unless I'm missing something obvious, the issue that keeps coming
 back to haunt Dantz :-) is that there is no client to run on the *nix
 box. Netatalk or not, Retrospect has no way to communicate directly
 with the *nix box because there is no client to accept the
 proprietary connection.

Retro will backup files from a mounted network drive. You don't have to be
running a client on the other machine.


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Re: Unix?

2000-03-14 Thread Stefan Jeglinski

Retro will backup files from a mounted network drive. You don't have to be
running a client on the other machine.


oops, yes that makes complete sense to me now that I think about it. 
Thanks for setting me straight...


Stefan Jeglinski



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Re: Unix?

2000-03-14 Thread Welch, John C.

Or you can install MacNFS on the Mac.

john

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 Subject: Re: Unix?
 
 Jon,
 
 on 15/3/00 9:48 AM, Jon Gardner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 What about using Netatalk to mount volumes on a Unix/Linux box for
 Retrospect to backup? Anyone doing this?
 
 Unless I'm missing something obvious, the issue that keeps coming
 back to haunt Dantz :-) is that there is no client to run on the *nix
 box. Netatalk or not, Retrospect has no way to communicate directly
 with the *nix box because there is no client to accept the
 proprietary connection.
 
 Retro will backup files from a mounted network drive. You don't have to be
 running a client on the other machine.
 
 The point is, without installing Netatalk or SAMBA there are no network
 drives to mount.  Unix/Linux does not provide native filesharing support for
 MacOS or Windows ... that is what Netatalk and SAMBA do.
 
 Cheers,  Malcolm
 
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Re: Unix?

2000-03-14 Thread Stefan Jeglinski

Or you can install MacNFS on the Mac.

Is this the recently released $150(?) client from Thursby (I think)? 
Anybody here used it and have comments? (um, for backup issues, to 
keep it on-topic).


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Re: Unix?

2000-03-14 Thread Stefan Jeglinski

The bottom line appears to be that something "extra" has to be installed
either on the Unix/Linux machine or the Retrospect machine ... it would all
be so much cleaner with a specific Retrospect client for Unix/Linux.

FWIW, Appletalk is compiled in as a module by default in LinuxPPC, 
and I have found it trivial to turn on. It's pretty well as much 
out-of-the-box now as Appletalk on MacOS, AFAICT.


Stefan Jeglinski



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