Re: [rhelv5-list] Whither RHEL6?

2010-02-11 Thread Dougal Ballantyne
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Jos Vos j...@xos.nl wrote: On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 02:45:29PM -0500, Jack Neely wrote: There are multiple internal and Red Hat partner-only spins of RHEL before the public betas are released.  There are lots of bugs to show some good progress on RHEL 6, but not

Re: [rhelv5-list] Whither RHEL6?

2010-02-10 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Olt, Joseph j...@ti.com said: Tom and Chris, I don't have the reference off hand, but I believe the recommendation of reinstalling and not upgrading was from RHEL3 to RHEL4 because of the kernel going from 2.4.x to 2.6.x. It may have been in the release notes. However,

Re: [rhelv5-list] Whither RHEL6?

2010-02-10 Thread Grant Williamson
Of Tom Sightler Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 4:02 PM To: Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 (Tikanga) discussion mailing-list Subject: Re: [rhelv5-list] Whither RHEL6? On Tue, 2010-02-09 at 12:35 -0600, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Tom Sightlertt...@tuxyturvy.com said: I don't

Re: [rhelv5-list] Whither RHEL6?

2010-02-10 Thread Tom Sightler
On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 07:52 -0600, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Olt, Joseph j...@ti.com said: Tom and Chris, I don't have the reference off hand, but I believe the recommendation of reinstalling and not upgrading was from RHEL3 to RHEL4 because of the kernel going from 2.4.x

Re: [rhelv5-list] Whither RHEL6?

2010-02-10 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 10/02/10 13:52, Chris Adams wrote: 24.1. Determining Whether to Upgrade or Re-Install Red Hat does not support upgrades from earlier major versions ... Although anaconda provides an option for upgrading from earlier major versions of Red Hat Enterprise Linux to Red Hat Enterprise

Re: [rhelv5-list] Whither RHEL6?

2010-02-09 Thread Tom Sightler
On Mon, 2010-02-08 at 22:47 -0600, Chris Adams wrote: Tru64 also supported in-place version upgrades, unlike RHEL, so if you were running 5.0A and really needed something in 5.1B, you didn't have to format the drive or build a new system (rolling updates in a cluster means users never even see

Re: [rhelv5-list] Whither RHEL6?

2010-02-09 Thread Brian Wheeler
On Mon, 2010-02-08 at 22:47 -0600, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Michael Torrie torr...@gmail.com said: There's always Fedora then---RH EL is not for everone. Or are you saying RH should release a new version every year or so but support each and every old version for 6 years?

Re: [rhelv5-list] Whither RHEL6?

2010-02-09 Thread Giulio Orsero
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 15:43, Brian Wheeler bdwhe...@indiana.edu wrote: Since we've got to revalidate all of our in-house software before we can do the move it is not like we can just throw a switch when RHEL6 comes out ... I actually have to plan for it.  I contacted Redhat's sales via the

Re: [rhelv5-list] Whither RHEL6?

2010-02-09 Thread Brian Wheeler
On Tue, 2010-02-09 at 16:50 +0100, Giulio Orsero wrote: On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 15:43, Brian Wheeler bdwhe...@indiana.edu wrote: Since we've got to revalidate all of our in-house software before we can do the move it is not like we can just throw a switch when RHEL6 comes out ... I

Re: [rhelv5-list] Whither RHEL6?

2010-02-09 Thread Jos Vos
On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 04:50:40PM +0100, Giulio Orsero wrote: RHEL6.0 is beta in jan 2010: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=555198 RHEL 6.0 is not in beta yet. -- --Jos Vos j...@xos.nl --X/OS Experts in Open Systems BV | Phone: +31 20 6938364 --Amsterdam,

Re: [rhelv5-list] Whither RHEL6?

2010-02-09 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Tom Sightler tt...@tuxyturvy.com said: On Mon, 2010-02-08 at 22:47 -0600, Chris Adams wrote: Tru64 also supported in-place version upgrades, unlike RHEL, so if you were running 5.0A and really needed something in 5.1B, you didn't have to format the drive or build a new

Re: [rhelv5-list] Whither RHEL6?

2010-02-09 Thread solarflow99
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Michael Torrie torr...@gmail.com wrote: Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Jack Neely jjne...@ncsu.edu said: I must say that I'm fairly concerned about RHEL 5 being current for much longer. Its pretty long in the tooth in general at this point. Yeah, that

Re: [rhelv5-list] Whither RHEL6?

2010-02-09 Thread Jack Neely
On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 05:27:59PM +0100, Jos Vos wrote: On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 04:50:40PM +0100, Giulio Orsero wrote: RHEL6.0 is beta in jan 2010: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=555198 RHEL 6.0 is not in beta yet. -- --Jos Vos j...@xos.nl --X/OS Experts

Re: [rhelv5-list] Whither RHEL6?

2010-02-09 Thread Jack Neely
On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 09:43:07AM -0500, Brian Wheeler wrote: On Mon, 2010-02-08 at 22:47 -0600, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Michael Torrie torr...@gmail.com said: There's always Fedora then---RH EL is not for everone. Or are you saying RH should release a new version every

Re: [rhelv5-list] Whither RHEL6?

2010-02-09 Thread Jos Vos
On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 02:45:29PM -0500, Jack Neely wrote: There are multiple internal and Red Hat partner-only spins of RHEL before the public betas are released. There are lots of bugs to show some good progress on RHEL 6, but not much to indicate which alpha/beta this may be or a general

Re: [rhelv5-list] Whither RHEL6?

2010-02-09 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: Once upon a time, Tom Sightler tt...@tuxyturvy.com said: On Mon, 2010-02-08 at 22:47 -0600, Chris Adams wrote: Tru64 also supported in-place version upgrades, unlike RHEL, so if you were running 5.0A and really needed

Re: [rhelv5-list] Whither RHEL6?

2010-02-09 Thread Greg_Swift
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: Once upon a time, Tom Sightler tt...@tuxyturvy.com said: On Mon, 2010-02-08 at 22:47 -0600, Chris Adams wrote: Tru64 also supported in-place version upgrades, unlike RHEL, so if you were running 5.0A and really

Re: [rhelv5-list] Whither RHEL6?

2010-02-09 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Jack Neely jjne...@ncsu.edu wrote: On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 09:43:07AM -0500, Brian Wheeler wrote: On Mon, 2010-02-08 at 22:47 -0600, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Michael Torrie torr...@gmail.com said: There's always Fedora then---RH EL is not for

Re: [rhelv5-list] Whither RHEL6?

2010-02-09 Thread Eugene Vilensky
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: Once upon a time, Tom Sightler tt...@tuxyturvy.com said: On Mon, 2010-02-08 at 22:47 -0600, Chris Adams wrote: Tru64 also supported in-place version upgrades, unlike RHEL, so if you were running 5.0A and really needed

Re: [rhelv5-list] Whither RHEL6?

2010-02-09 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Eugene Vilensky evilen...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: Once upon a time, Tom Sightler tt...@tuxyturvy.com said: On Mon, 2010-02-08 at 22:47 -0600, Chris Adams wrote: Tru64 also supported in-place

Re: [rhelv5-list] Whither RHEL6?

2010-02-09 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Stephen John Smoogen smo...@gmail.com said: Yes it is. The above quote covers different things. What I think Chris was talking about was doing a full or partial upgrade from 3.9 to say 4.9 which would not exactly be supported. That is correct; I was talking about

Re: [rhelv5-list] Whither RHEL6?

2010-02-09 Thread Tom Sightler
On Tue, 2010-02-09 at 12:35 -0600, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Tom Sightler tt...@tuxyturvy.com said: I don't understand this part. You can certainly do 5.0 - 5.1 style upgrades in-place, and you can upgrade between major versions using boot media (either net boot, CD, whatever)

Re: [rhelv5-list] Whither RHEL6?

2010-02-08 Thread Michael Torrie
Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Jack Neely jjne...@ncsu.edu said: I must say that I'm fairly concerned about RHEL 5 being current for much longer. Its pretty long in the tooth in general at this point. Yeah, that is a problem. A 3+ year release cycle for open source software is just

Re: [rhelv5-list] Whither RHEL6?

2010-02-08 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Michael Torrie torr...@gmail.com said: There's always Fedora then---RH EL is not for everone. Or are you saying RH should release a new version every year or so but support each and every old version for 6 years? No, I don't expect a release every 12 months. The problem is

Re: [rhelv5-list] Whither RHEL6?

2010-01-05 Thread solarflow99
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: Once upon a time, Collins, Kevin [BEELINE] kcoll...@chevron.com said: To look at the other side of the coin, take into account that this is RHEL: the E stands for Enterprise, and part of what you are paying for is a stable,

Re: [rhelv5-list] Whither RHEL6?

2010-01-04 Thread Jack Neely
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 08:57:19AM -0600, Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: RHEL5 has been a solid work horse for more than two and a half years, but its 2.6.18 kernel is getting a bit long on tooth. The most recent official mention of RHEL6 I've seen was Tim Burke's presentation at the September

Re: [rhelv5-list] Whither RHEL6?

2010-01-04 Thread Paul Krizak
We're still using RHEL4...so RHEL5 is still new for us :-) Paul Krizak 7171 Southwest Pkwy MS B200.3A Senior Systems Engineer Austin, TX 78735 Advanced Micro Devices Desk: (512) 602-8775 Linux/Unix Systems Engineering Cell: (512) 791-0686

Re: [rhelv5-list] Whither RHEL6?

2010-01-04 Thread Glaser, David
...@redhat.com [mailto:rhelv5-list-boun...@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jack Neely Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 3:31 PM To: Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 (Tikanga) discussion mailing-list Subject: Re: [rhelv5-list] Whither RHEL6? On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 08:57:19AM -0600, Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote

Re: [rhelv5-list] Whither RHEL6?

2010-01-04 Thread Colin Coe
: Re: [rhelv5-list] Whither RHEL6? On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 08:57:19AM -0600, Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: RHEL5 has been a solid work horse for more than two and a half years, but its 2.6.18 kernel is getting a bit long on tooth. The most recent official mention of RHEL6 I've seen was Tim

Re: [rhelv5-list] Whither RHEL6?

2010-01-04 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Jack Neely jjne...@ncsu.edu said: I must say that I'm fairly concerned about RHEL 5 being current for much longer. Its pretty long in the tooth in general at this point. Yeah, that is a problem. A 3+ year release cycle for open source software is just not cutting it. I'd

Re: [rhelv5-list] Whither RHEL6?

2010-01-04 Thread Collins, Kevin [BEELINE]
-Original Message- From: rhelv5-list-boun...@redhat.com [mailto:rhelv5-list-boun...@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Chris Adams Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 3:46 PM To: Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 (Tikanga) discussion mailing-list Subject: Re: [rhelv5-list] Whither RHEL6? Once upon a time, Jack

Re: [rhelv5-list] Whither RHEL6?

2010-01-04 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Collins, Kevin [BEELINE] kcoll...@chevron.com said: To look at the other side of the coin, take into account that this is RHEL: the E stands for Enterprise, and part of what you are paying for is a stable, long-term support cycle. Look at other Enterprise operating systems

[rhelv5-list] Whither RHEL6?

2009-12-22 Thread Robert G. (Doc) Savage
RHEL5 has been a solid work horse for more than two and a half years, but its 2.6.18 kernel is getting a bit long on tooth. The most recent official mention of RHEL6 I've seen was Tim Burke's presentation at the September 2009 Red Hat Summit (see