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|| ANNOUNCEMENTS and ARTICLES: http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml || You know, I suggested that once on the bulletin boards of The Jerusalem Post - turn the Kahanistas and Hamas against each other, etc... and I got kicked off. ;( Reality's not popular with some people... I wonder why? :-) Wesley Parish Quoting Michael McMillan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > || > ANNOUNCEMENT S and ARTICLES: http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml > || > > Just so's everybody here knows I'm not an incurable hawk, (actually, > nothing > would suit me better than having everybody decide to get along peacably > with > everybody else), I've decided to resurrect an old Op-ed piece, War > Island. > It could probably stand an update(I'm open to ideas), so, here's the > link. > Enjoy. > > > http://users.sisna.com/mjmcmillan/myweb2/oped3.htm > > --- > / o o \ PNEWS Topic Specific Portals (Vortals) > ===OO=OO= > http://pnews.org/vortal/ New World disOrder and Myth Busters > http://g0lem.net/vortal/ Insane Planet and Wacko World > http://g0lem.net/portal/ Bad-Ass Truth and TheGolemsPortal > http://pnews.org/portal/ Naked Truth and PNEWS Portal > = > \_/ \_/ > > "I me. Shape middled me. I would come out into hot!" I from the spicy that day was overcasked mockingly - it's a symbol of the other horizon. --- / o o \ PNEWS Topic Specific Portals (Vortals) ===OO=OO= http://pnews.org/vortal/ New World disOrder and Myth Busters http://g0lem.net/vortal/ Insane Planet and Wacko World http://g0lem.net/portal/ Bad-Ass Truth and TheGolemsPortal http://pnews.org/portal/ Naked Truth and PNEWS Portal = \_/ \_/
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|| ANNOUNCEMENTS and ARTICLES: http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml || On5/28/04 7:43 AM, Anthony Currie spake thusly: > "Most in the > peace movement realised that war would only make matters worse in Iraq - for > that they had Vietnam as a model. And sadly, much of what was predicted by > the peace movement has come to pass." Anthony Currie is right. And this simple paragraph needs a MUCH LARGER audience. Rowland --- / o o \ PNEWS Topic Specific Portals (Vortals) ===OO=OO= http://pnews.org/vortal/ New World disOrder and Myth Busters http://g0lem.net/vortal/ Insane Planet and Wacko World http://g0lem.net/portal/ Bad-Ass Truth and TheGolemsPortal http://pnews.org/portal/ Naked Truth and PNEWS Portal = \_/ \_/
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|| ANNOUNCEMENTS and ARTICLES: http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml || On5/28/04 11:16 AM, WEBMASTER spake thusly: > || > ANNOUNCEMENTS and ARTICLES: http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml > || > > Just a short comment or two: > > How quickly you forget the Versailles treaty and its economic effect on > Germany. Germany was drowning in a sea of worthless money and the treaty > sentenced them to a slow death and there were bodies in the streets, the > corpses of those who starved .. Hitler called for nullification and an > attack on its neighbors to finish the war - to redraw borders, > geographical and economic --- and how quickly we all forget that Hitler > never wanted to exterminate the Jews; all he wanted was for someone else > to take them because they were the scapegoat. They surrendered Germany > just as they fought for Germany. Some Jews supported Hitler. > > Hitler was a nut but so is George W. > Bush. And how evil are they? How do you measure evil? By how many they > kill? > > -- It is so easy to excuse what is being done now by using > analogies which not only were wrong in their own time but do not and > cannot purport to be an excuse for murder - either by Israelis, by > Americans or by Iraqis. But of all those who are doing the killing now the > Iraqis are the only ones who are being invaded and occupied. And in Gaza, > it is the Arabs who are being occupied and if we use words like "evil" > which, generally a religious term, and is a moral indictment, then what > is really evil; that is, what is "immoral," is the occupation. > > Hank > > >> >> Neville Chamberlain. Munich, 1938. An agreement reached with Hitler, that >> for what amounted to a little bluster and some posturing, Hitler was >> satisfied with the part of Chechoslovakia that was given to him, and had no >> further desires on the European continent. In September 1939, Germany >> invaded Poland and WW2 was under way a couple of days later. A lot of people still think that 9/11 was a blindside--that America had DONE NOTHING WRONG, and so it was an unwarranted attack. Then we were cowed into retaliation against the concept of "terror". This conduct is and has been flawed, and will remain so until altered. But the Bushies never admit they are wrong! 9/11 was the best thing that could have happened to the Bush Junta--they just overplayed their hand (which is no surprise). It seems to me that the problem stems from our unqualified support of Israel, and our thirst for oil. We do not ask Israel to curtail its illegal settlements; and we prop up undemocratic regimes when it suits us. We ignore Geneva Convention when it suits us, and cry "foul" when our adversaries do what we do. With the entire administration in the oil business to some degree, it doesn't take much imagination to ascertain the outdated policies to which we adhere. Time for a change. Rowland --- / o o \ PNEWS Topic Specific Portals (Vortals) ===OO=OO= http://pnews.org/vortal/ New World disOrder and Myth Busters http://g0lem.net/vortal/ Insane Planet and Wacko World http://g0lem.net/portal/ Bad-Ass Truth and TheGolemsPortal http://pnews.org/portal/ Naked Truth and PNEWS Portal = \_/ \_/
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|| ANNOUNCEMENTS and ARTICLES: http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml || Just a short comment or two: How quickly you forget the Versailles treaty and its economic effect on Germany. Germany was drowning in a sea of worthless money and the treaty sentenced them to a slow death and there were bodies in the streets, the corpses of those who starved .. Hitler called for nullification and an attack on its neighbors to finish the war - to redraw borders, geographical and economic --- and how quickly we all forget that Hitler never wanted to exterminate the Jews; all he wanted was for someone else to take them because they were the scapegoat. They surrendered Germany just as they fought for Germany. Some Jews supported Hitler. Hitler was a nut but so is George W. Bush. And how evil are they? How do you measure evil? By how many they kill? -- It is so easy to excuse what is being done now by using analogies which not only were wrong in their own time but do not and cannot purport to be an excuse for murder - either by Israelis, by Americans or by Iraqis. But of all those who are doing the killing now the Iraqis are the only ones who are being invaded and occupied. And in Gaza, it is the Arabs who are being occupied and if we use words like "evil" which, generally a religious term, and is a moral indictment, then what is really evil; that is, what is "immoral," is the occupation. Hank > > Neville Chamberlain. Munich, 1938. An agreement reached with Hitler, that > for what amounted to a little bluster and some posturing, Hitler was > satisfied with the part of Chechoslovakia that was given to him, and had no > further desires on the European continent. In September 1939, Germany > invaded Poland and WW2 was under way a couple of days later. [...] --- / o o \ PNEWS Topic Specific Portals (Vortals) ===OO=OO= http://pnews.org/vortal/ New World disOrder and Myth Busters http://g0lem.net/vortal/ Insane Planet and Wacko World http://g0lem.net/portal/ Bad-Ass Truth and TheGolemsPortal http://pnews.org/portal/ Naked Truth and PNEWS Portal = \_/ \_/
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|| ANNOUNCEMENTS and ARTICLES: http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml || Every right wing politician talks about the peace movement being "appeasers" - those who spoke out about the forthcoming Iraq invasion were called appeasers - they were allegedly bowing down to Saddam. But as we know now, it was a lot more complicated than that. Most in the peace movement realised that war would only make matters worse in Iraq - for that they had Vietnam as a model. And sadly, much of what was predicted by the peace movement has come to pass. Using the cry "appeasement" is often a move to simplify a complex issue. Even Chamberlain's "appeasement" was a lot more complex than it is painted. Rather than a buckling under to Hitler's demands, and an attempt to pacify him by giving him what he wanted, some historians on the left see appeasement as a calculated gamble to try to get Hitler moving East along the narrow corridor of Czechoslovakia, towards Russia (look at a pre-war map of Europe to see the borders of Czechoslovakia). The western powers hoped that they could get Hitler to move east, as he had promised in Mien Kemp, and thus get the two totalitarian states to get worn down in a mutually destructive war. The West would pick up the pieces. (Countering that move, was the attempt by Russia to court Britain, which was ignored...and then next the Hitler-Stalin pact. All three power blocs were in a dangerous dance). So "appeasement" as we understand it, is a very simplistic, external view of a far more complex power-play. I would suggest that to suggest that listening to Palestinian arguments, and attempting to find peace through dialogue, is "appeasement" only in this narrow right-wing use of the word. In fact it is the only way that has any chance of avoiding hatred that potentially could last for centuries - like the inexplicable hatreds of Northern Ireland and the Balkans. But when peoples are under the sway of right-wing demagogues - what hope is that they can avert the inevitable bloodshed. Very little. Tony Currie Tony Currie - Original Message - From: "Rowland Scherman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, 28 May 2004 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [RHETORIC] [PNEWS] Israeli Raid > || > ANNOUNCEMENTS and ARTICLES: http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml > || > > On27/5/04 8:35 PM, Michael McMillan spake thusly: > > > || > > ANNOUNCEMENTS and ARTICLES: http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml > > || > > > > Neville Chamberlain. Munich, 1938. An agreement reached with Hitler, that > > for what amounted to a little bluster and some posturing, Hitler was > > satisfied with the part of Chechoslovakia that was given to him, and had no > > further desires on the European continent. In September 1939, Germany > > invaded Poland and WW2 was under way a couple of days later. > > > > > > Have we learned NOTHING in all the years that have passed? Try to appease > > those who are evil, and they will only use it to build the weapons with > > which to kill you. I'd really like to believe that being nice to terrorists > > would make them decide not to kill us, but it has been proven too often that > > it "just ain't so". Israel learned this lesson even before it began, at the > > cost of her children, and hasn't forgotten the lessons learned. Sometimes > > she acts a little rougher than we in the rest of the world would like, > > but... if you were surrounded by enemies that had sworn your destruction, > > what would you do. Now, some of the rest of us are learning the hard way > > about negotiating with evil, and some of us will take a lot longer to learn > > the lessons than others have. > > > It doesn't work that way., Michael. > > --- > / o o \ PNEWS Topic Specific Portals (Vortals) > ===OO=OO= > http://pnews.org/vortal/ New World disOrder and Myth Busters > http://g0lem.net/vortal/ Insane Planet and Wacko World > http://g0lem.net/portal/ Bad-Ass Truth and TheGolemsPortal > http://pnews.org/portal/ Naked Truth and PNEWS Portal > = > \_/ \_/ > --- / o o \ PNEWS Topic Specific Portals (Vortals) ===OO=OO= http://pnews.org/vortal/ New World disOrder and Myth Busters http://g0lem.net/vortal/ Insane Planet and Wacko World http://g0lem.net/portal/ Bad-Ass Truth and TheGolemsPortal http://pnews.org/portal/ Naked Truth and PNEWS Portal = \_/ \_/
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|| ANNOUNCEMENTS and ARTICLES: http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml || On27/5/04 8:35 PM, Michael McMillan spake thusly: > || > ANNOUNCEMENTS and ARTICLES: http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml > || > > Neville Chamberlain. Munich, 1938. An agreement reached with Hitler, that > for what amounted to a little bluster and some posturing, Hitler was > satisfied with the part of Chechoslovakia that was given to him, and had no > further desires on the European continent. In September 1939, Germany > invaded Poland and WW2 was under way a couple of days later. > > > Have we learned NOTHING in all the years that have passed? Try to appease > those who are evil, and they will only use it to build the weapons with > which to kill you. I'd really like to believe that being nice to terrorists > would make them decide not to kill us, but it has been proven too often that > it "just ain't so". Israel learned this lesson even before it began, at the > cost of her children, and hasn't forgotten the lessons learned. Sometimes > she acts a little rougher than we in the rest of the world would like, > but... if you were surrounded by enemies that had sworn your destruction, > what would you do. Now, some of the rest of us are learning the hard way > about negotiating with evil, and some of us will take a lot longer to learn > the lessons than others have. > It doesn't work that way., Michael. --- / o o \ PNEWS Topic Specific Portals (Vortals) ===OO=OO= http://pnews.org/vortal/ New World disOrder and Myth Busters http://g0lem.net/vortal/ Insane Planet and Wacko World http://g0lem.net/portal/ Bad-Ass Truth and TheGolemsPortal http://pnews.org/portal/ Naked Truth and PNEWS Portal = \_/ \_/
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|| ANNOUNCEMENTS and ARTICLES: http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml || Just so's everybody here knows I'm not an incurable hawk, (actually, nothing would suit me better than having everybody decide to get along peacably with everybody else), I've decided to resurrect an old Op-ed piece, War Island. It could probably stand an update(I'm open to ideas), so, here's the link. Enjoy. http://users.sisna.com/mjmcmillan/myweb2/oped3.htm --- / o o \ PNEWS Topic Specific Portals (Vortals) ===OO=OO= http://pnews.org/vortal/ New World disOrder and Myth Busters http://g0lem.net/vortal/ Insane Planet and Wacko World http://g0lem.net/portal/ Bad-Ass Truth and TheGolemsPortal http://pnews.org/portal/ Naked Truth and PNEWS Portal = \_/ \_/
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|| ANNOUNCEMENTS and ARTICLES: http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml || I think it's a mutual problem - namely trust. Palestinians look at the way the Apartheid Wall meanders through Palestinian villages and ask, if the Israelis just want a barrier, why do they not go along the Green Line? They look at the amount of water Israel regularly syphons from the Palestinian Territories and how little of it gets to them, and they ask much the same question - why appease tyrants, proven tyrants? The only people doing anything on the Israeli side to establish trust. are Gush Shalom, Ta'ayush, and such; there are less organizations - of any sort - now on the Palestinian side, but that Gush Shalom, etc, has never in my knowledge been turned aside by Palestinians from a trip to help Palestinians, says more than a mere enumeration of organization's names. It's always been the IDF that trundles out the excuse of "military zone" as a way of harrassing Gush Shalom and the Palestinians they are trying to meet. Shalom l'kol urakha Wesley Parish Quoting Michael McMillan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > || > ANNOUNCEMENT S and ARTICLES: http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml > || > > The point I wished to make had to do with appeasement. Too many want to > make > peace at any cost, and all too often will try to appease totalitarians > rather than try to stand for what's right. I didn't make my point clear, > I'm > afraid. > > Some today seem to want Israel to try to appease those who attack it. > How do > you reach an accord that means anything with those who get their own > children to strap suicide bombs on themselves? These people have proven > time > and again that they want one thing only--- no more Israel. Nothing less > will > satisfy them. > > Wesley Parish > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 8:14 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [RHETORIC] [PNEWS] Israeli Raid > > > || > AN NOUNCEMENTS and ARTICLES: http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml > || > > In other words, at Munich in 1938, Hitler declared he was satisfied with > the > proposed Partition of Czechoslovakia? He had no further designs on the > European > continent? > > >From a Palestinian perspective: in 1947 the Yishuv declared it was > satisfied > with the proposed Partition of Mandatory Palestine ... > > Are you sure this comparison makes the point you want to make? If not, > please > rethink it. > > Shalom l'kol uvrakha > > Wesley Parish > > --- > / o o \ PNEWS Topic Specific Portals (Vortals) > ===OO=OO= > http://pnews.org/vortal/ New World disOrder and Myth Busters > http://g0lem.net/vortal/ Insane Planet and Wacko World > http://g0lem.net/portal/ Bad-Ass Truth and TheGolemsPortal > http://pnews.org/portal/ Naked Truth and PNEWS Portal > = > \_/ \_/ > > "I me. Shape middled me. I would come out into hot!" I from the spicy that day was overcasked mockingly - it's a symbol of the other horizon. --- / o o \ PNEWS Topic Specific Portals (Vortals) ===OO=OO= http://pnews.org/vortal/ New World disOrder and Myth Busters http://g0lem.net/vortal/ Insane Planet and Wacko World http://g0lem.net/portal/ Bad-Ass Truth and TheGolemsPortal http://pnews.org/portal/ Naked Truth and PNEWS Portal = \_/ \_/
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|| ANNOUNCEMENTS and ARTICLES: http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml || The point I wished to make had to do with appeasement. Too many want to make peace at any cost, and all too often will try to appease totalitarians rather than try to stand for what's right. I didn't make my point clear, I'm afraid. Some today seem to want Israel to try to appease those who attack it. How do you reach an accord that means anything with those who get their own children to strap suicide bombs on themselves? These people have proven time and again that they want one thing only--- no more Israel. Nothing less will satisfy them. Wesley Parish Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 8:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RHETORIC] [PNEWS] Israeli Raid || ANNOUNCEMENTS and ARTICLES: http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml || In other words, at Munich in 1938, Hitler declared he was satisfied with the proposed Partition of Czechoslovakia? He had no further designs on the European continent? >From a Palestinian perspective: in 1947 the Yishuv declared it was satisfied with the proposed Partition of Mandatory Palestine ... Are you sure this comparison makes the point you want to make? If not, please rethink it. Shalom l'kol uvrakha Wesley Parish --- / o o \ PNEWS Topic Specific Portals (Vortals) ===OO=OO= http://pnews.org/vortal/ New World disOrder and Myth Busters http://g0lem.net/vortal/ Insane Planet and Wacko World http://g0lem.net/portal/ Bad-Ass Truth and TheGolemsPortal http://pnews.org/portal/ Naked Truth and PNEWS Portal = \_/ \_/
Re: [RHETORIC] [PNEWS] Israeli Raid
|| ANNOUNCEMENTS and ARTICLES: http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml || In other words, at Munich in 1938, Hitler declared he was satisfied with the proposed Partition of Czechoslovakia? He had no further designs on the European continent? >From a Palestinian perspective: in 1947 the Yishuv declared it was satisfied with the proposed Partition of Mandatory Palestine ... Are you sure this comparison makes the point you want to make? If not, please rethink it. Shalom l'kol uvrakha Wesley Parish Quoting Michael McMillan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > || > ANNOUNCEMENT S and ARTICLES: http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml > || > > Neville Chamberlain. Munich, 1938. An agreement reached with Hitler, > that > for what amounted to a little bluster and some posturing, Hitler was > satisfied with the part of Chechoslovakia that was given to him, and had > no > further desires on the European continent. In September 1939, Germany > invaded Poland and WW2 was under way a couple of days later. > > > Have we learned NOTHING in all the years that have passed? Try to > appease > those who are evil, and they will only use it to build the weapons with > which to kill you. I'd really like to believe that being nice to > terrorists > would make them decide not to kill us, but it has been proven too often > that > it "just ain't so". Israel learned this lesson even before it began, at > the > cost of her children, and hasn't forgotten the lessons learned. > Sometimes > she acts a little rougher than we in the rest of the world would like, > but... if you were surrounded by enemies that had sworn your > destruction, > what would you do. Now, some of the rest of us are learning the hard > way > about negotiating with evil, and some of us will take a lot longer to > learn > the lessons than others have. > > --- > / o o \ PNEWS Topic Specific Portals (Vortals) > ===OO=OO= > http://pnews.org/vortal/ New World disOrder and Myth Busters > http://g0lem.net/vortal/ Insane Planet and Wacko World > http://g0lem.net/portal/ Bad-Ass Truth and TheGolemsPortal > http://pnews.org/portal/ Naked Truth and PNEWS Portal > = > \_/ \_/ > > "I me. Shape middled me. I would come out into hot!" I from the spicy that day was overcasked mockingly - it's a symbol of the other horizon. --- / o o \ PNEWS Topic Specific Portals (Vortals) ===OO=OO= http://pnews.org/vortal/ New World disOrder and Myth Busters http://g0lem.net/vortal/ Insane Planet and Wacko World http://g0lem.net/portal/ Bad-Ass Truth and TheGolemsPortal http://pnews.org/portal/ Naked Truth and PNEWS Portal = \_/ \_/
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|| ANNOUNCEMENTS and ARTICLES: http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml || Neville Chamberlain. Munich, 1938. An agreement reached with Hitler, that for what amounted to a little bluster and some posturing, Hitler was satisfied with the part of Chechoslovakia that was given to him, and had no further desires on the European continent. In September 1939, Germany invaded Poland and WW2 was under way a couple of days later. Have we learned NOTHING in all the years that have passed? Try to appease those who are evil, and they will only use it to build the weapons with which to kill you. I'd really like to believe that being nice to terrorists would make them decide not to kill us, but it has been proven too often that it "just ain't so". Israel learned this lesson even before it began, at the cost of her children, and hasn't forgotten the lessons learned. Sometimes she acts a little rougher than we in the rest of the world would like, but... if you were surrounded by enemies that had sworn your destruction, what would you do. Now, some of the rest of us are learning the hard way about negotiating with evil, and some of us will take a lot longer to learn the lessons than others have. --- / o o \ PNEWS Topic Specific Portals (Vortals) ===OO=OO= http://pnews.org/vortal/ New World disOrder and Myth Busters http://g0lem.net/vortal/ Insane Planet and Wacko World http://g0lem.net/portal/ Bad-Ass Truth and TheGolemsPortal http://pnews.org/portal/ Naked Truth and PNEWS Portal = \_/ \_/
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|| ANNOUNCEMENTS and ARTICLES: http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml || and who is responsible for her crawling around on her knees? the terrorists in her own people who have made this happen, the so called leader who steals all their money. no matter how many times this is pointed out, it is always israel's fault like a broken record. these people are abused by their own far worse than israel ever would. there are terrorists organizations in these camps that rule the people and abuse them. but does any one think maybe we should focus on that and stop that? no just keep blaming israel for trying to defend from these atrocities that are committed on a daily basis against jews. these thugs are the ones who keep their own people down and we reward them by making excuses for their behavior. when pressure is brought to bear on the whole infra structure of terrorists coming out of these camps then something will happen. they deliberately use these camps and those people to hide behind so they can scream murder when israel tries to root them out. every one can say what israel shouldn't do but no one can say what they should short of giving these people everything they want at the expense of the state of israel and her people. sure give them more land untill there is no more, untill israel ceases to exist. and will they be happy, i bet not. we maybe because that is what they want , no israel. those films are nothing but propaganda , i saw no films when a pregnant woman and her four children were gunned down. were is the pity from the world for that? arafat has million in swiss banks accounts, the countries that most of those camps are in have plenty of land, but they refuse to intigrate those people into their society unlike israel that absorbed all the refugees from arab countries. you see no camps holding israelis after 56 years it is a pity when any one suffers, but the ultimate person who is to blame for it is not israel but rather the arab powers that use these people as pawns to destroy israel. . WEBMASTER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: || ANNOUNCEMENTS and ARTICLES: http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml || I watched an interesting feature on NOVA last night about the planet's magnetic field and how the poles are changing and they have actually done that before and it happens about every 750,000 years. Research and data obtained recently indicate that MARS at one time had a magnetic field and that is when there was life there; not the type of life we have here, but life nevertheless -- and it may have evolved just as ours did instead of having life END --- if only the magnetic field survived. All that molten river of iron in the earth's core is what keeps the magnetic field around the earth as a shield, thus keeping out radiation and without the magnetic field we would be bombarded with solar winds and all the seas and rivers would soon be gone because they would evaporate, and all of us would be radiated. Life would cease to exist. Global warming is also causing changes which may lead to the END of life on this planet - but that is another topic. But not to fear. As the scientists expect - the polarity of the fields will reverse but not collapse; not yet anyway. There will be multiple poles until it reconstitutes itself in the reverse. They have determined all of this with computer models. Anyway watching all this brought to my mind the REALITY that WE ARE SO INCONSQUENTIAL.. One can take the position that none of it really matters, but if it does matter it only matters to us how we think about it. In an ever changing universe is there at least some existential awareness that matters? I think as one who believes, like the RAM DASS, in Be Here Now -- that the least amount of chaos we can bring into each other's lives is what really matters. That means raids like Rafah and the chaos it brings into the lives of miserable, poor, hopeless people is a moral equation of GREAT consequence and import to the inconsquential meaning of our own existence. Antherwords, while each of us has little meaning in the overall scheme of things, it does matter how much hurt we cause. It is reasons like that -- why I can't hunt or kick a dog -- or be mean and cruel to animals. But how do I feel about other humans? Not as well disposed about individual people I know, as I do to animals. That I can assure you. BUT I do care that if humans were treated with concern and "humanity," whatever that means, that we might think of humans in the same caring way we think about the needs of those closest to us (and about our pets). Israelis many feel a need to have a place because they have been singled out in the history of religions because they were a "stiff necked" people who refused to adopt the ways of
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|| ANNOUNCEMENTS and ARTICLES: http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml || and now a return to reality. this isn't going to happen any time in the future. this is not alice in wonderland but the real world were people are attacked and need to defend themselves. as we say so many times if the arabs laid down their guns, there would be peace, if israel laid down their guns, she would cease to exist. and what really bothers me is i know deep down, most people know that and still they continue. Phyllis von Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:|| ANNOUNCEMENTS and ARTICLES: http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml || ...Every border and every fence should come down. Every country should destroy its prisons - ... Everyone should stop killing because it is a waste and life is too precious... Well said Hank. Couldn't agree w/ you more; and wouldn't it be nice to see that this was the motto/Spin/Blog of CommonCause, MoveOn, AlternetNews, TrueMajority, GreenPeace, NukeWatch, War Resisters, et all. Phyllis --- / o o \ PNEWS Topic Specific Portals (Vortals) ===OO=OOhttp://pnews.org/vortal/ New World disOrder and Myth Busters http://g0lem.net/vortal/ Insane Planet and Wacko World http://g0lem.net/portal/ Bad-Ass Truth and TheGolemsPortal http://pnews.org/portal/ Naked Truth and PNEWS Portal \_/ \_/ - Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger --- / o o \ PNEWS Topic Specific Portals (Vortals) ===OO=OO= http://pnews.org/vortal/ New World disOrder and Myth Busters http://g0lem.net/vortal/ Insane Planet and Wacko World http://g0lem.net/portal/ Bad-Ass Truth and TheGolemsPortal http://pnews.org/portal/ Naked Truth and PNEWS Portal = \_/ \_/
Re: [RHETORIC] [PNEWS] Israeli Raid
|| ANNOUNCEMENTS and ARTICLES: http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml || ...Every border and every fence should come down. Every country should destroy its prisons - ... Everyone should stop killing because it is a waste and life is too precious... Well said Hank. Couldn't agree w/ you more; and wouldn't it be nice to see that this was the motto/Spin/Blog of CommonCause, MoveOn, AlternetNews, TrueMajority, GreenPeace, NukeWatch, War Resisters, et all. Phyllis --- / o o \ PNEWS Topic Specific Portals (Vortals) ===OO=OOhttp://pnews.org/vortal/ New World disOrder and Myth Busters http://g0lem.net/vortal/ Insane Planet and Wacko World http://g0lem.net/portal/ Bad-Ass Truth and TheGolemsPortal http://pnews.org/portal/ Naked Truth and PNEWS Portal \_/ \_/
Re: [RHETORIC] [PNEWS] Israeli Raid
|| ANNOUNCEMENTS and ARTICLES: http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml || I watched an interesting feature on NOVA last night about the planet's magnetic field and how the poles are changing and they have actually done that before and it happens about every 750,000 years. Research and data obtained recently indicate that MARS at one time had a magnetic field and that is when there was life there; not the type of life we have here, but life nevertheless -- and it may have evolved just as ours did instead of having life END --- if only the magnetic field survived. All that molten river of iron in the earth's core is what keeps the magnetic field around the earth as a shield, thus keeping out radiation and without the magnetic field we would be bombarded with solar winds and all the seas and rivers would soon be gone because they would evaporate, and all of us would be radiated. Life would cease to exist. Global warming is also causing changes which may lead to the END of life on this planet - but that is another topic. But not to fear. As the scientists expect - the polarity of the fields will reverse but not collapse; not yet anyway. There will be multiple poles until it reconstitutes itself in the reverse. They have determined all of this with computer models. Anyway watching all this brought to my mind the REALITY that WE ARE SO INCONSQUENTIAL.. One can take the position that none of it really matters, but if it does matter it only matters to us how we think about it. In an ever changing universe is there at least some existential awareness that matters? I think as one who believes, like the RAM DASS, in Be Here Now -- that the least amount of chaos we can bring into each other's lives is what really matters. That means raids like Rafah and the chaos it brings into the lives of miserable, poor, hopeless people is a moral equation of GREAT consequence and import to the inconsquential meaning of our own existence. Antherwords, while each of us has little meaning in the overall scheme of things, it does matter how much hurt we cause. It is reasons like that -- why I can't hunt or kick a dog -- or be mean and cruel to animals. But how do I feel about other humans? Not as well disposed about individual people I know, as I do to animals. That I can assure you. BUT I do care that if humans were treated with concern and "humanity," whatever that means, that we might think of humans in the same caring way we think about the needs of those closest to us (and about our pets). Israelis many feel a need to have a place because they have been singled out in the history of religions because they were a "stiff necked" people who refused to adopt the ways of others -- I may not feel disposed to people who have little regard for life, enough to kill their own daughters and wifes because they have been raped or even consensual sex because it is a terrible waste of life and dumb. BUT, I'm not saying the Palestinians are any less moral than the Israelis and they would not do the same to the Israelis if the conditions there were reversed like the magnetic poles will without a doubt be reversed some day. BUT what matters is who does have the power to cause great harm NOW. Decisions what cause pain and suffering are immoral. That homeless women I saw on television in Rafah, crawling on her knees and her neighbers trying to help her was sad beyond words. Cycles of violence can be stopped without more violence. If all the Jews came to Miami Beach when I grew up there and set up their settlements there instead of a land where there were other people and the Cubans stayed in Cuba instead of being welcomed with open arms in Miami Beach there would be no raids into Rafah today. Of course that is a _silly_ pipe dream. So what I am really saying is this: The truth is: Every border and every fence should come down. Every country should destroy its prisons - beginning with Attica and then Abu Graib. Everyone should stop killing because it is a waste and life is too precious. Everyone on this planet should look to the sky and know that an Arora Borealis is a sign of how fragile this planet is (and when the poles switch and there are multiple poles for several thousand years, there will be lights in the sky and not just close to the North Pole) - what happened on MARS can happen here. LOVE is the answer and by that I mean every life is precious, not just Jewish or Palestinian, but ALL life. War is insane. It is immortal to destroy life. The United Nations, just as the League of Nations was a good idea but only if we mean it and the only way to insure peace is to realize we all come from the same ancestors, all of us: animals, humans. We all came out of order and endeavor for some ordered chaos and to preserve life -- and the seconds we have to live is too precious to have it messed up by religous, tribal and material inter
