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|| Regime Change Begins At Home || Quoth donnella whiteacre: > why is that so hard to follow. after five wars all started by their > friendly neighbors, yes the jews have quite a good army going. // http://www.ccds.charlotte.nc.us/History/Egypt/05/eisenhauer/ "In a futile attempt to reassert their power in the area, Israel invaded Egypt and tried to overtake one side of the Suez Canal. The British and French tried proposing a peaceful solution but they were unsuccessful as well. The three countries, by then unofficially known as the tripartite collusion (http://campus.northpark.edu/history/ WebChron/MiddleEast/SuezNat.html), decided in mid-October 1956 to undertake a joint intervention (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/ops/suez.htm). They staged an attack on Egypt in late October, destroying the entire Egyptian Air Force (http://www.galenet.com/servlet/SRC/hits?) and sending in enough troops to occupy the canal territory (http://campus.northpark.edu/history/WebChron /MiddleEast/SuezNat.html). However, the United States and the Soviet Union did not like what the tripartite collusion had done because it made the world understand how the Soviet Union and the U.S. were using smaller countries as pawns in a larger struggle for dominance (http://campus.northpark.edu/history/WebChron/ MiddleEast/SuezNat.html)." http://wonderclub.com/WorldWonders/SuezHistory.html Wow, it really sounds like Egypt declared an unprovoked war on Israel, eh!?! What an invasion of Israel! An Egyptian president nationalizes a canal in Egyptian territory to help pay for a dam which he hopes to use to develop his nation with. What an invasion! What a declaration of war! Zippy the Pinhead couldn't have put it better. "As you walk along, try not to think of your intestines being forty yard long!" > pl ease wesley the jews had nothing when they beat the arabs in the 1948 > war. if the arabs had accepted the partition none of it would have been > necessary i the first place,it was their refusal to accept that made > this all possible. If someone invades my house and I shoot back, that makes me an aggressor? The expulsion of Palestinian villagers was already in full swing long before the Arab League acted. And a good many of those villages were _NOT_ in the declared Jewish partition. And the idea that the Zionists had nothing - no, of course not. They just had imaginary Spitfires and Me 109 Gustaves et al.? Yeah right! They beat the Arab League with imaginary bullets. They had imaginary armoured cars. You can do a lot with imaginary armoured cars, can't you! http://students.bugs.bham.ac.uk/palestinian/nakba.htm "April 1: Ship Nora delivers first consignment of Czech arms in Haifa. UN Security Council resolutions call for a special session of General Assembly and agree to US proposal for truce to be arranged through Jewish Agency and Arab Higher Committee. " > that army wouldn't be breathing down their necks as you so > melodramatically put it if they would just accept peace and stop killing > jews. // Funny. I always thought revenge for sufferings inflicted was a human right. http://www.holocaust-education.dk/baggrund/krystalnatten.asp "The assassination happened as revenge for the expulsion of Herschel Grynszpans parents, who were Polish Jews, from Germany to Poland." http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Palestinian_Exodus "It was clear to the villages in the Galilee, that if they left, return was far from imminent. Therefore far fewer villages was spontaneously depopulated than previously. Most of it was due to clear, direct cause, including brutal expulsion and deliberate harassment. About half a dozen massacres was committed in the Galilee by the IDF during this stage of the war." So far you've said nothing that doesn't apply equally to the Arabs. The only thing you've said that I can agree wholeheartedly, is the condemnation of the Arab leaderhsip for corruption. But then, that appears to apply equally to Ariel Sharon. Shalom/Salaam Wesley Parish Quoting donnella whitacre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: "Sharpened hands are happy hands. "Brim the tinfall with mirthful bands" - A Deepness in the Sky, Vernor Vinge "I me. Shape middled me. I would come out into hot!" I from the spicy that day was overcasked mockingly - it's a symbol of the other horizon. - emacs : meta x dissociated-press --- / o o \ ===OO=OO= http://g0lem.net/PhpWiki/ (NewsWiki) - http://pnews.org/ (Home) = \_/ \_/
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|| Drop Bush - Not Bombs! || please wesley the jews had nothing when they beat the arabs in the 1948 war. if the arabs had accepted the partition none of it would have been necessary i the first place,it was their refusal to accept that made this all possible. you can't get around it, the jews accepted partition the arabs didn't plain and simple. even you should be able to follow that logic. it was the arab's refusal that jabotinsky fortold. that army wouldn't be breathing down their necks as you so melodramatically put it if they would just accept peace and stop killing jews. why is that so hard to follow. after five wars all started by their friendly neighbors, yes the jews have quite a good army going. but so do the saudis, and egypt is buying a lot these days. one would wonder why. they have also managed to become one of the leaders in tehcnology, science and the like. the only ones making them miserable are their lying stealing leaders who feed them a steady diet of hate and misinformation and keep them uneducated and downtrodden. they are much more easily lead that way. . Wesley Parish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > = > \_/ \_/ > > "Sharpened hands are happy hands. "Brim the tinfall with mirthful bands" - A Deepness in the Sky, Vernor Vinge "I me. Shape middled me. I would come out into hot!" I from the spicy that day was overcasked mockingly - it's a symbol of the other horizon. - emacs : meta x dissociated-press --- / o o \ ===OO=OO= http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml (Articles) = \_/ \_/ - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! --- / o o \ ===OO=OO= http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml (Articles) = \_/ \_/
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|| Drop Bush - Not Bombs! || > SURVIVAL IS MORAL.. And with the regions' largest army - the world's fifth largest - breathing down their necks and making their life a misery, you would deny the Palestinians the right to come to the same conclusion? Wesley Parish Quoting WEBMASTER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > || > ANNOUNCEMENT S and ARTICLES: http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml > || > > On Fri, 13 Aug 2004, Wesley Parish wrote: > > > > Quoth WEBMASTER: > > > Why should we believe Jabotinsky? And why do you think Jabotinsky > would > > > have any better understanding than anyone else? First of all, he > was > > > not > > > the mainstream in Israel. He was never accepted as anyone but a > right > > > wing > > > dissident. Would you believe Meir Kahane? It is the same > organization > > > morphed. It is exactly as I have said. You take quotes from anyone > who > > > happens to spew something you can latch onto that might be useful > for > > > > http://www.israelblog.org/1040190582/ > > "After the founding of the State of Israel in 1948 the Labor Zionists, > led by > > Ben Gurion nearly came to a civil war with the Revisionists and the > Irgun, led > > by Menahem Begin. The latter decided to stand down, but his defiance > led to many > > years in the political wilderness. The Labor party led Israel for > nearly thirty > > years. In 1977, Begin and his Likud party came to power in what > Israelis called > > the "mahapach," the great upset. The political brains behind this > revolution was > > a young, ambitious politician by the name of Ariel "Arik" Sharon. > > > > >From representing a small minority of the Zionist movement, > Jabotinsky's > > revisionism has come to totally dominate political thinking and action > in > > contemproary Israel. To understand what is going on in Israel today, > it is > > essential to understand the political philosophy and ideology of > Jabotinsky." > > [...] > > "In other words, because Zionism is just and moral, it can do anything > to > > achieve its means, and still remain jsut and moral, even if what it > does is > > steal the land away from someone else. And make no mistake, that is > exactly the > > intention of Zionism according to Jabotinsky.[...]" > > Some of this is absolutely true and some of it is nonsense and one view > which is not the "dominant" view, since in Israel politics is > determined > by reality and threat analysis. Many on the Left support the current > government not because anything is moral but because survival is moral. > > SURVIVAL IS MORAL.. > > Hank > > --- > / o o \ > ===OO=OO= > http://g0lem.net/PhpWiki/ (NewsWiki) - http://pnews.org/ (Home) > http://pnews.org/vortal/ (Portal) Myth Busters/Mid-East > http://g0lem.net/vortal/ (Portal) Insane Planet/Progressive > http://g0lem.net/portal/ (Portal) Bad-Ass Truth/Economics > http://pnews.org/portal/ (Portal) Naked Truth/Propaganda > http://pnews.org/signup.shtml - (pnews-l) info // sub/unsub > http://g0lem/blogspot.com/ (Blog - progressive article index) > = > \_/ \_/ > > "Sharpened hands are happy hands. "Brim the tinfall with mirthful bands" - A Deepness in the Sky, Vernor Vinge "I me. Shape middled me. I would come out into hot!" I from the spicy that day was overcasked mockingly - it's a symbol of the other horizon. - emacs : meta x dissociated-press --- / o o \ ===OO=OO= http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml (Articles) = \_/ \_/
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|| Drop Bush - Not Bombs! || Well said Donnella.. Hank --- / o o \ ===OO=OO= http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml (Articles) = \_/ \_/
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|| Drop Bush - Not Bombs! || no after 54 years of bombings, snipers, refuseing to negotiate in good faith for peace, and much more, some israelis have come to believe jabotinisky was right. if the arabs had made peace, accepted the internalionalization of jerusalem, worked as true peace partners, it would not have come to that. that is of course if your premise is true to begin with. as some one on another site i am on said, we have in this country been willing to give up some of our civil liberties after just one attack, think what it would be like if it was happening on a daily basis. it solidifies hate, makes people who don't want to see others as totally worth less, see them that way. the despair of never having peace, of seeing your country ruined , turns people . please don't try and turn that by saying that is how the palestinians feel. they never had a country and they won't as long as they practice terrorism. they didn't accept the country given to them, the jews did. they have made significant contributions to society in the arts, sciences and many more things. they stand ready to help the palestinians economically once they want to embrace peace. right now an israeli has come up with an irrigation drip system which works in the desert and is designed for little or no water climates, and dont' ask me, i know nothing about it other than i read it. he is in collaboration with a muslim in africa, these things could be given to the palestinians once they demonstrate they can run a country. the first thing they need to do is renounce the terrorists and work with israel to root them out. they signed the oslo agreement to do just that. israel according to the oslo agreement is under no obligation to do any thing until they fulfill their end of the bargain. WEBMASTER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: || ANNOUNCEMENTS and ARTICLES: http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml || On Fri, 13 Aug 2004, Wesley Parish wrote: > > Quoth WEBMASTER: > > Why should we believe Jabotinsky? And why do you think Jabotinsky would > > have any better understanding than anyone else? First of all, he was > > not > > the mainstream in Israel. He was never accepted as anyone but a right > > wing > > dissident. Would you believe Meir Kahane? It is the same organization > > morphed. It is exactly as I have said. You take quotes from anyone who > > happens to spew something you can latch onto that might be useful for > > http://www.israelblog.org/1040190582/ > "After the founding of the State of Israel in 1948 the Labor Zionists, led by > Ben Gurion nearly came to a civil war with the Revisionists and the Irgun, led > by Menahem Begin. The latter decided to stand down, but his defiance led to many > years in the political wilderness. The Labor party led Israel for nearly thirty > years. In 1977, Begin and his Likud party came to power in what Israelis called > the "mahapach," the great upset. The political brains behind this revolution was > a young, ambitious politician by the name of Ariel "Arik" Sharon. > >From representing a small minority of the Zionist movement, Jabotinsky's > revisionism has come to totally dominate political thinking and action in > contemproary Israel. To understand what is going on in Israel today, it is > essential to understand the political philosophy and ideology of Jabotinsky." > [...] > "In other words, because Zionism is just and moral, it can do anything to > achieve its means, and still remain jsut and moral, even if what it does is > steal the land away from someone else. And make no mistake, that is exactly the > intention of Zionism according to Jabotinsky.[...]" Some of this is absolutely true and some of it is nonsense and one view which is not the "dominant" view, since in Israel politics is determined by reality and threat analysis. Many on the Left support the current government not because anything is moral but because survival is moral. SURVIVAL IS MORAL.. Hank --- / o o \ ===OO=OO= http://g0lem.net/PhpWiki/ (NewsWiki) - http://pnews.org/ (Home) http://pnews.org/vortal/ (Portal) Myth Busters/Mid-East http://g0lem.net/vortal/ (Portal) Insane Planet/Progressive http://g0lem.net/portal/ (Portal) Bad-Ass Truth/Economics http://pnews.org/portal/ (Portal) Naked Truth/Propaganda http://pnews.org/signup.shtml - (pnews-l) info // sub/unsub http://g0lem/blogspot.com/ (Blog - progressive article index) = \_/ \_/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- / o o \ ===OO=OO===
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|| ANNOUNCEMENTS and ARTICLES: http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml || On Fri, 13 Aug 2004, Wesley Parish wrote: > > Quoth WEBMASTER: > > Why should we believe Jabotinsky? And why do you think Jabotinsky would > > have any better understanding than anyone else? First of all, he was > > not > > the mainstream in Israel. He was never accepted as anyone but a right > > wing > > dissident. Would you believe Meir Kahane? It is the same organization > > morphed. It is exactly as I have said. You take quotes from anyone who > > happens to spew something you can latch onto that might be useful for > > http://www.israelblog.org/1040190582/ > "After the founding of the State of Israel in 1948 the Labor Zionists, led by > Ben Gurion nearly came to a civil war with the Revisionists and the Irgun, led > by Menahem Begin. The latter decided to stand down, but his defiance led to many > years in the political wilderness. The Labor party led Israel for nearly thirty > years. In 1977, Begin and his Likud party came to power in what Israelis called > the "mahapach," the great upset. The political brains behind this revolution was > a young, ambitious politician by the name of Ariel "Arik" Sharon. > >From representing a small minority of the Zionist movement, Jabotinsky's > revisionism has come to totally dominate political thinking and action in > contemproary Israel. To understand what is going on in Israel today, it is > essential to understand the political philosophy and ideology of Jabotinsky." > [...] > "In other words, because Zionism is just and moral, it can do anything to > achieve its means, and still remain jsut and moral, even if what it does is > steal the land away from someone else. And make no mistake, that is exactly the > intention of Zionism according to Jabotinsky.[...]" Some of this is absolutely true and some of it is nonsense and one view which is not the "dominant" view, since in Israel politics is determined by reality and threat analysis. Many on the Left support the current government not because anything is moral but because survival is moral. SURVIVAL IS MORAL.. Hank --- / o o \ ===OO=OO= http://g0lem.net/PhpWiki/ (NewsWiki) - http://pnews.org/ (Home) http://pnews.org/vortal/ (Portal) Myth Busters/Mid-East http://g0lem.net/vortal/ (Portal) Insane Planet/Progressive http://g0lem.net/portal/ (Portal) Bad-Ass Truth/Economics http://pnews.org/portal/ (Portal) Naked Truth/Propaganda http://pnews.org/signup.shtml - (pnews-l) info // sub/unsub http://g0lem/blogspot.com/ (Blog - progressive article index) = \_/ \_/
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|| ANNOUNCEMENTS and ARTICLES: http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml || Quoth WEBMASTER: > Why should we believe Jabotinsky? And why do you think Jabotinsky would > have any better understanding than anyone else? First of all, he was > not > the mainstream in Israel. He was never accepted as anyone but a right > wing > dissident. Would you believe Meir Kahane? It is the same organization > morphed. It is exactly as I have said. You take quotes from anyone who > happens to spew something you can latch onto that might be useful for http://www.israelblog.org/1040190582/ "After the founding of the State of Israel in 1948 the Labor Zionists, led by Ben Gurion nearly came to a civil war with the Revisionists and the Irgun, led by Menahem Begin. The latter decided to stand down, but his defiance led to many years in the political wilderness. The Labor party led Israel for nearly thirty years. In 1977, Begin and his Likud party came to power in what Israelis called the "mahapach," the great upset. The political brains behind this revolution was a young, ambitious politician by the name of Ariel "Arik" Sharon. >From representing a small minority of the Zionist movement, Jabotinsky's revisionism has come to totally dominate political thinking and action in contemproary Israel. To understand what is going on in Israel today, it is essential to understand the political philosophy and ideology of Jabotinsky." [...] "In other words, because Zionism is just and moral, it can do anything to achieve its means, and still remain jsut and moral, even if what it does is steal the land away from someone else. And make no mistake, that is exactly the intention of Zionism according to Jabotinsky.[...]" > Everyone you quote is discredible and there are many, many voices in > Israel. Israel is a democracy. // Out of your own mouth. An own goal. Shalom/Salaam Wesley Parish Quoting WEBMASTER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: "Sharpened hands are happy hands. "Brim the tinfall with mirthful bands" - A Deepness in the Sky, Vernor Vinge "I me. Shape middled me. I would come out into hot!" I from the spicy that day was overcasked mockingly - it's a symbol of the other horizon. - emacs : meta x dissociated-press --- / o o \ ===OO=OO= http://g0lem.net/PhpWiki/ (NewsWiki) - http://pnews.org/ (Home) http://pnews.org/vortal/ (Portal) Myth Busters/Mid-East http://g0lem.net/vortal/ (Portal) Insane Planet/Progressive http://g0lem.net/portal/ (Portal) Bad-Ass Truth/Economics http://pnews.org/portal/ (Portal) Naked Truth/Propaganda http://pnews.org/signup.shtml - (pnews-l) info // sub/unsub http://g0lem/blogspot.com/ (Blog - progressive article index) = \_/ \_/
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|| ANNOUNCEMENTS and ARTICLES: http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml || Why should we believe Jabotinsky? And why do you think Jabotinsky would have any better understanding than anyone else? First of all, he was not the mainstream in Israel. He was never accepted as anyone but a right wing dissident. Would you believe Meir Kahane? It is the same organization morphed. It is exactly as I have said. You take quotes from anyone who happens to spew something you can latch onto that might be useful for your agenda. It is incredible that you think it means anything except to you and those who think like you. Everyone you quote is discredible and there are many, many voices in Israel. Israel is a democracy. There are many voices in the Arab world also, but it is all about destroying Israel. There the extreme is the rule. Hank On Thu, 12 Aug 2004, Wesley Parish wrote: > > Once again, Jabotinsky comes to our aid: > http://www.marxists.de/middleast/ironwall/ironwall.htm > http://www.israelblog.org/1040190582/ "From the get go, Jabotinsky > places the onus of the conflict 100% on the Arabs. This particular > approach continues to this very day. Of course, Jabotinsky quickly tells > us that he has 0% hope that in fact the Arab's will ever accept Zionism. > Why? --- / o o \ ===OO=OO= http://g0lem.net/PhpWiki/ (NewsWiki) - http://pnews.org/ (Home) http://pnews.org/vortal/ (Portal) Myth Busters/Mid-East http://g0lem.net/vortal/ (Portal) Insane Planet/Progressive http://g0lem.net/portal/ (Portal) Bad-Ass Truth/Economics http://pnews.org/portal/ (Portal) Naked Truth/Propaganda http://pnews.org/signup.shtml - (pnews-l) info // sub/unsub http://g0lem/blogspot.com/ (Blog - progressive article index) = \_/ \_/
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|| ANNOUNCEMENTS and ARTICLES: http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml || westley: he placed it were he knew it belonged. it was after all the arabs who started killing even before the jews declared statehood and to this day they refuse to accept the state of israel. the mark of an intelligent mind is one that can hold two conflicting thoughts at a time: stating that the arabs were indigenious didn't rule out the jews being indigenious also, unless you go along with the idea that the jews are really arabs and they are decendents of the caananites which would make them not decendants of abraham. they aren't any way as the decendants of ishmael are the moabites and edomites which no longer exist. the arabs are indeginious from 125 b.c.e. the jews were there first. it doesn't really matter they both have ties to the land. the only thing is and you can't deny this, the arabs refuse to share that. you can post all the garble you want on this and that, it comes right down to the fact that they were given the lion's share of both their indiginous land and they refuse to accept or acknowledge the jews right to some of it. the dispora doesn't cancel out the jews claim to the land, as some lived there always. and that crap about the nazis, hank has answered that time and again and you keep draging it up. that is just what it is crap. they saved some lives which is more than the rest of the world did. the arabs fought for hitler and the Ustashi, killing jews, serbs and gypsies. so what ever the as you put it zionists had to do to save some jews, that is what they did. your posts reflect the point that you give the jews no rights, the arabs are in the right. so you are intitled to think that if you wish. jabotinisky only said what many knew, he was bold enought to say it out loud. the arabs had alredy proven the fact and do to this day. they don't want a two state solution as the pretent, they want it all. that has been said over and over by every terrorist group over there. arafat has refused any offer of the west bank and gaza strip. why is that? because they want it all. it doesn't belong to them alone. Wesley Parish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: || ANNOUNCEMENTS and ARTICLES: http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml || Once again, Jabotinsky comes to our aid: http://www.marxists.de/middleast/ironwall/ironwall.htm http://www.israelblog.org/1040190582/ "From the get go, Jabotinsky places the onus of the conflict 100% on the Arabs. This particular approach continues to this very day. Of course, Jabotinsky quickly tells us that he has 0% hope that in fact the Arab's will ever accept Zionism. Why? "..there has never been an indigenous inhabitant anywhere or at any time who has ever accepted the settlement of others in his country." This is a fascinating statement. First, unlike the apologists Simcha chastised in her response to some typical propaganda, Jabotinsky clearly admits the deep attachment the "indigenous inhabitants," i.e. the Palestinians, have to their land. In fact, Jabotinsky even admires and praises them for this attachment: " http://www.marxists.de/middleast/brenner/irgunazi.htm "The NMO (Irgun Zvai Leumi), which is well-acquainted with the goodwill of the German Reich government and its authorities towards Zionist activity inside Germany and towards Zionist emigration plans, is of the opinion that: 1. Common interests could exist between the establishment of a new order in Europe in conformity with the German concept, and the true national aspirations of the Jewish people as they are embodied by the NMO. 2. Cooperation between the new Germany and a renewed folkish-national Hebraium would be possible and, 3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German position of power in the Near East." 'nuff said? Quoting WEBMASTER : > There's a nifty little lie in this kind of reasoning. It is the > so-called "cycle of violence." Everyone knows there is no cycle of > violence in the Holy Land. If the Palestinians stopped the suicide > bombings, the violence would stop. If Israelis stopped using their > military, no one seriously believes suicide bombings would cease. > > Knowledge is power! Always challenge prevailing views. Question > everything. The accepted wisdom is often not wise nor the truth. It is > very often a myth. There is the myth that Palestinian violence is a > direct > result of Israel's occupation and settlements in Judea and Samaria. > > Palestinian militants are terrorists who direct their operations > against > civilians. They kill Jewish babies. These organizations did not come > about > because of Israel's occupation of J
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|| ANNOUNCEMENTS and ARTICLES: http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml || Once again, Jabotinsky comes to our aid: http://www.marxists.de/middleast/ironwall/ironwall.htm http://www.israelblog.org/1040190582/ "From the get go, Jabotinsky places the onus of the conflict 100% on the Arabs. This particular approach continues to this very day. Of course, Jabotinsky quickly tells us that he has 0% hope that in fact the Arab's will ever accept Zionism. Why? "..there has never been an indigenous inhabitant anywhere or at any time who has ever accepted the settlement of others in his country." This is a fascinating statement. First, unlike the apologists Simcha chastised in her response to some typical propaganda, Jabotinsky clearly admits the deep attachment the "indigenous inhabitants," i.e. the Palestinians, have to their land. In fact, Jabotinsky even admires and praises them for this attachment: " http://www.marxists.de/middleast/brenner/irgunazi.htm "The NMO (Irgun Zvai Leumi), which is well-acquainted with the goodwill of the German Reich government and its authorities towards Zionist activity inside Germany and towards Zionist emigration plans, is of the opinion that: 1. Common interests could exist between the establishment of a new order in Europe in conformity with the German concept, and the true national aspirations of the Jewish people as they are embodied by the NMO. 2. Cooperation between the new Germany and a renewed folkish-national Hebraium would be possible and, 3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German position of power in the Near East." 'nuff said? Quoting WEBMASTER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > There's a nifty little lie in this kind of reasoning. It is the > so-called "cycle of violence." Everyone knows there is no cycle of > violence in the Holy Land. If the Palestinians stopped the suicide > bombings, the violence would stop. If Israelis stopped using their > military, no one seriously believes suicide bombings would cease. > > Knowledge is power! Always challenge prevailing views. Question > everything. The accepted wisdom is often not wise nor the truth. It is > very often a myth. There is the myth that Palestinian violence is a > direct > result of Israel's occupation and settlements in Judea and Samaria. > > Palestinian militants are terrorists who direct their operations > against > civilians. They kill Jewish babies. These organizations did not come > about > because of Israel's occupation of Judea and Samaria. They were founded > when the "West Bank" and "Gaza" were in control of Arabs. The > Palestinian > Authority claims there would not be a need for what they call > "defensive" > operations if there was no occupation. How can killing civilians be > defensive and this is just another false claim since Israel did not > occupy > those areas prior to 1967. They want Israelis to get out of town. They > want the Jews to disappear. > > (Article Begins Here) > Advocating Violence > > http://pnews.org/vortal/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&artid=19 > > --- > / o o \ > ===OO=OO= > http://g0lem.net/PhpWiki/ (NewsWiki) - http://pnews.org/ (Home) > http://pnews.org/vortal/ (Portal) Myth Busters/Mid-East > http://g0lem.net/vortal/ (Portal) Insane Planet/Progressive > http://g0lem.net/portal/ (Portal) Bad-Ass Truth/Economics > http://pnews.org/portal/ (Portal) Naked Truth/Propaganda > http://pnews.org/signup.shtml - (pnews-l) info // sub/unsub > http://g0lem/blogspot.com/ (Blog - progressive article index) > = > \_/ \_/ > > "Sharpened hands are happy hands. "Brim the tinfall with mirthful bands" - A Deepness in the Sky, Vernor Vinge "I me. Shape middled me. I would come out into hot!" I from the spicy that day was overcasked mockingly - it's a symbol of the other horizon. - emacs : meta x dissociated-press --- / o o \ ===OO=OO= http://g0lem.net/PhpWiki/ (NewsWiki) - http://pnews.org/ (Home) http://pnews.org/vortal/ (Portal) Myth Busters/Mid-East http://g0lem.net/vortal/ (Portal) Insane Planet/Progressive http://g0lem.net/portal/ (Portal) Bad-Ass Truth/Economics http://pnews.org/portal/ (Portal) Naked Truth/Propaganda http://pnews.org/signup.shtml - (pnews-l) info // sub/unsub http://g0lem/blogspot.com/ (Blog - progressive article index) = \_/ \_/
