Introducing myself

2004-02-26 Thread Nandini Devi Radhamonyamma
Hi All, This is just to introduce myself to the members of the mailing list. My name is Nandini Devi Radhamonyamma and I am currently working in St. Andrews University, Scotland with Dr. Paul Wright. I am relatively new to structure solution from powder data and hope to get all the help I can to

RE: Re: thermal parameters at low temperature

2004-02-26 Thread Von Dreele, Robert B.
Liliana, GSAS will refine the value of the absorption coefficient for neutron TOF data quite easily (I recall one message of yours mentioned that your data was of this flavor). Just turn on the flag. Your Uiso's should rise for all atoms making those for the heavy atoms positive. The ABS value

thermal parameters at low temperature

2004-02-26 Thread Marilena L Viciu
Dear all, I am refining a powder neutron data at low temperature (50K). I got some of the thermal parameters negative although the model seems to be quite right (the data at room temperature behaved well with the same model). From your experience, is this the case of a wrong model? I really

RE: RE: Re: thermal parameters at low temperature

2004-02-26 Thread Marilena L Viciu
Dear Dr Von Dreele, The structure at room temperature was refined from neutron TOF. Now, I am using this model to refine low temperature data from neutron CW. My sample has Cu-Cl-La-Nb-O. Sincerely, Liliana -Original

Re: Bragg R and GSAS

2004-02-26 Thread Von Dreele, Robert B.
Nandini, I suggest you look at the paper Rietveld refinement guidelines, J. Appl. Cryst. (1999) 32, 36-50. Bob Von Dreele -Original Message- From: Nandini Devi Radhamonyamma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 2/26/2004 8:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you. In parallel with single

Re: thermal parameters at low temperature

2004-02-26 Thread Maxim V. Lobanov
Dear Liliana, To guess what could be a possible answer one would probably need a little more information. Is the RT dataset collected with the same instrument and setup? Is it constant-wavelength of TOF? Do you have any magnetic contribution at 50K, and how do you treat it? Sincerely,

Re: Bragg R and GSAS

2004-02-26 Thread Kurt Leinenweber
I tend to use bond lengths to check refinements. If bond lengths - and thermal parameters too - aren't physically reasonable, it can mean that the structure is correct but the refinement is bad, that the structure is somehow wrong, or the atom assignments are wrong. Bond-valence sums are great

RE: Re: thermal parameters at low temperature

2004-02-26 Thread Maxim V. Lobanov
Sorry for the ambiguous information I gave previously. The data at room temperature were taken with a variable wavelength (TOF) whether at low temperature the data were recorded with constant wavelength. There is no magnetic contribution on the pattern. The negative thermal parameters are for the

Single crystal data setup

2004-02-26 Thread Von Dreele, Robert B.
Jennifer, Yes. Start with SXTLDATA to read in the hkl file. It will ask for lots of stuff but you will only really need h,k,l,Fo sig(Fo). Then go to EXPEDT to put in the rest of the stuff (atom positions, etc.). Bob Von Dreele -Original Message- From: Jennifer Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: Re: thermal parameters at low temperature

2004-02-26 Thread Von Dreele, Robert B.
Liliana, You can calculate the absorption coefficient for your CW neutron experiment. GSAS wants mu*R/lambda. Find a table of true neutron absorption cross sections for your elements calculate mu from them in cm-1. R is the radius of your sample can in cm. Divide by 2 to correct for packing

Re: thermal parameters at low temperature

2004-02-26 Thread Andreas Leineweber
Dear Liliana, of course the remarks of Maxim are correct, the experimental conditions are very important. Just additionally: Very important is also the range of d* which is covered experimentally for the accuracy of the displacement parameters. Of importance is also the mass of the atom. Heavy

RE: Re: thermal parameters at low temperature

2004-02-26 Thread Kurt Leinenweber
Wait! I have to mention - the heaviness of atoms (atomic number Z) is important in x-ray diffraction, but is uncorrelated with the neutron scattering factor for the nuclei. When you say heavy, do you mean the highly scattering ones for neutrons, or the high-Z ones? -

RE: RE: Re: thermal parameters at low temperature

2004-02-26 Thread Marilena L Viciu
Kurt, I mean heavy in the atomic number. Liliana -Original Message- From: Kurt Leinenweber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 2/26/2004 2:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: RE: Re: thermal parameters at low temperature

RE: Re: thermal parameters at low temperature

2004-02-26 Thread Marilena L Viciu
Sorry for the ambiguous information I gave previously. The data at room temperature were taken with a variable wavelength (TOF) whether at low temperature the data were recorded with constant wavelength. There is no magnetic contribution on the pattern. The negative thermal parameters are for the