Scientific Software and cites

2007-03-24 Thread Simon Billinge
Relating to the recent discussion on how scientific software is/should be paid for, this is a question I have been meaning to bring up for some time: Is it possible to get ISI to index the citations to papers published in the "Computer Program Abstracts" section of J. Appl. Crystallogr.? We publ

RE: [Fwd: [ccp4bb] Nature policy update regarding source code]

2007-03-24 Thread AlanCoelho
One last reassuring word to the users of TOPAS - if I may No open source algorithm under any license comes close to equalling those as implemented in TOPAS and its academic counterpart. This status quo shall remain. In the event that commercial entities are locked out of journals then in the case

RE: [Fwd: [ccp4bb] Nature policy update regarding source code]

2007-03-24 Thread AlanCoelho
Vincent >For another software with many important contributors it would indeed be >impossible. But then the software would not have existed in the first place >with a non-free license, so. This discussion is getting nowhere; I politely disagree and see no solution; never is it right to developm

Re: [Fwd: [ccp4bb] Nature policy update regarding source code]

2007-03-24 Thread Vincent Favre-Nicolin
Alan, > As it stands however the reality of a GNU GPL license is that if a > manufacture wanted to modify and include a program licensed under it in > order to sell a larger manufacturing process for commercial purposes then > they would be denied access unless all 10 people who wrote the soft

RE: Nature policy update regarding source code]

2007-03-24 Thread AlanCoelho
Alan A very good take on the situation and I totally agree that Nature Materials should provide free access to all of its articles; otherwise it preaches one thing and practices another. One of the articles at nature.com concerns Public Library of Science http://www.nature.com/nature/debates/e-ac

RE: [Fwd: [ccp4bb] Nature policy update regarding source code]

2007-03-24 Thread AlanCoelho
Brian >I personally feel that open source software is usually in the best interests of scientific >methods development. This is a matter of opinion but even if you are right then no one has the right to deny non-publically funded bodies the right to practice science. Science or knowledge

[Fwd: [ccp4bb] Nature policy update regarding source code]

2007-03-24 Thread Brian H. Toby
Begin forwarded message: From what I have read on Nature Methods decision then if the journals of J. Applied Cryst and Acta Cryst were to go down the same path then 2000 plus users of TOPAS and TOPAS-Academic would be without a means of reading peer reviewed articles on the algorithms used

Re: Nature policy update regarding source code]

2007-03-24 Thread Alan Hewat
> Hi Everyone; Just in case you don't follow ccp4bb or nature methods: > http://www.nature.com/nmeth/journal/v4/n3/full/nmeth0307-189.html This does seem to mean that Nature will not accept results obtained with commercial software, or even free software like GSAS and FullProf, for which the sourc

Re: [Fwd: [ccp4bb] Nature policy update regarding source code]

2007-03-24 Thread Vincent Favre-Nicolin
Alan, > You are right in that open source is good at spreading algorithms but no > one should be locked out by decree. Thus the licensing of software is > critical; the GNU GPL license including Copyleft is not to be confused with > something like Python; from the Python web site: > > "The

RE: [Fwd: [ccp4bb] Nature policy update regarding source code]

2007-03-24 Thread AlanCoelho
Vincent wrote: "It is a step forward for F/OSS as it acknowledges that open-source code allows to spread a new method better than a closed source. As opposed to, filing a patent - since patents were originally developed to ensure that new methods be available to all." You are right in that open s

Re: [Fwd: [ccp4bb] Nature policy update regarding source code]

2007-03-24 Thread Vincent Favre-Nicolin
Alan, > In the original message of Michael Love (forwarded by Jon Wright) it clearly > states: > > Although there are still some small problems, I think that this is a > > big step forward, and certainly an interesting read, if you are > > interested in FOSS and science. > What does "still