RE: Proposal to avoid banning for attachments in the list
There is a reality here that the web is really a shifting sands of information. So the idea we link to images and files we wish to refer to is probably flawed, and is not going to achieve the archive role that would be desirable, simply because those links will be broken or lost in a few months (maybe a couple of years) when the associated host website is re-organised or simply shut down. I don't believe that we can achieve the desired goal of a reference archive of the mail list in this way, but only by storing files within the mail list. That of course is additional overhead. In that case, the argument against attaching images and files really becomes one about data transfer sizes (processing large amounts of data) and the spreading of viruses in attachments. In this case imposing a file-size limitation is a sensible policy, and i think for people reading the archives in 2 or 3 years it will give exactly the same result as having a broken embedded web link. I agree with Alan though, that it would be better to have a full permanent archive including files and images for reference. What are the options for this? jools From: alan.he...@gmail.com [mailto:alan.he...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Alan Hewat Sent: 15. juli 2015 08:34 To: Fabrizio Guzzetta Cc: rietveld_l@ill.fr Subject: Re: Proposal to avoid banning for attachments in the list Dear Fabrizio. 1) I would be happy if you or other members created such a dropbox to allow people to post images, linking to them in their Rietveld posts. The main problem with images is simply that they are not archived on http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/ so are not available for future reference. 2) But apparently not everyone thinks their images need be archived - you yourself propose they be deleted after one month. In that case, I propose that since we already made an exception for Jim, as a test, we allow such people to post small images (75 kbyte) directly to the Rietveld mailing list. They will not be archived, and I personally think that reduces the interest of the archive, but I concede that other people have a different opinion. Vive la difference ! Alan On 15 July 2015 at 08:12, Fabrizio Guzzetta fabrizio.guzze...@gmail.commailto:fabrizio.guzze...@gmail.com wrote: I have seen, in the past, that the argument of attachments in the mails/reply is always under debate and I understand both parties, the one that is pro-attachments because we are visual in the senwe that an image can explain better than tons of words sometimes or for particularly difficult patterns to visualize, particular problems which can't be resolved with proper data posting and so on, and the other one which has designed the mailing list this way, probably to avoid scams/viruses/etc... So I want to make my proposal: why don't we create a virtual space in the clouds (e.g. dropbox), shared between the Rietvelders/crystallographers where the attachments will be put according to specific arguments (and date), and moderated in turn by few rietvelders (who can and want to do this, nothing is imposed) to erase data every month (or so) old data previous an email remainding when old data will be deleted? This will also eliminate or reduce the needs for hyperlinks. I hope not to be crucified and especial y I ask Alan (who created this list) an opinion on that. ++ Please do NOT attach files to the whole list alan.he...@neutronoptics.commailto:alan.he...@neutronoptics.com Send commands to lists...@ill.frmailto:lists...@ill.fr eg: HELP as the subject with no body text The Rietveld_L list archive is on http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/ ++ -- __ Dr Alan Hewat, NeutronOptics, Grenoble, FRANCE alan.he...@neutronoptics.commailto:alan.he...@neutronoptics.com +33.476.98.41.68 http://www.NeutronOptics.com/hewat __ ++ Please do NOT attach files to the whole list alan.he...@neutronoptics.com Send commands to lists...@ill.fr eg: HELP as the subject with no body text The Rietveld_L list archive is on http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/ ++
Re: Proposal to avoid banning for attachments in the list
Dear Fabrizio. 1) I would be happy if you or other members created such a dropbox to allow people to post images, linking to them in their Rietveld posts. The main problem with images is simply that they are not archived on http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/ so are not available for future reference. 2) But apparently not everyone thinks their images need be archived - you yourself propose they be deleted after one month. In that case, I propose that since we already made an exception for Jim, as a test, we allow such people to post small images (75 kbyte) directly to the Rietveld mailing list. They will not be archived, and I personally think that reduces the interest of the archive, but I concede that other people have a different opinion. Vive la difference ! Alan On 15 July 2015 at 08:12, Fabrizio Guzzetta fabrizio.guzze...@gmail.com wrote: I have seen, in the past, that the argument of attachments in the mails/reply is always under debate and I understand both parties, the one that is pro-attachments because we are visual in the senwe that an image can explain better than tons of words sometimes or for particularly difficult patterns to visualize, particular problems which can't be resolved with proper data posting and so on, and the other one which has designed the mailing list this way, probably to avoid scams/viruses/etc... So I want to make my proposal: why don't we create a virtual space in the clouds (e.g. dropbox), shared between the Rietvelders/crystallographers where the attachments will be put according to specific arguments (and date), and moderated in turn by few rietvelders (who can and want to do this, nothing is imposed) to erase data every month (or so) old data previous an email remainding when old data will be deleted? This will also eliminate or reduce the needs for hyperlinks. I hope not to be crucified and especial y I ask Alan (who created this list) an opinion on that. ++ Please do NOT attach files to the whole list alan.he...@neutronoptics.com Send commands to lists...@ill.fr eg: HELP as the subject with no body text The Rietveld_L list archive is on http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/ ++ -- __ * Dr Alan Hewat, NeutronOptics, Grenoble, FRANCE * alan.he...@neutronoptics.com +33.476.98.41.68 http://www.NeutronOptics.com/hewat __ ++ Please do NOT attach files to the whole list alan.he...@neutronoptics.com Send commands to lists...@ill.fr eg: HELP as the subject with no body text The Rietveld_L list archive is on http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/ ++
Proposal to avoid banning for attachments in the list
I have seen, in the past, that the argument of attachments in the mails/reply is always under debate and I understand both parties, the one that is pro-attachments because we are visual in the senwe that an image can explain better than tons of words sometimes or for particularly difficult patterns to visualize, particular problems which can't be resolved with proper data posting and so on, and the other one which has designed the mailing list this way, probably to avoid scams/viruses/etc... So I want to make my proposal: why don't we create a virtual space in the clouds (e.g. dropbox), shared between the Rietvelders/crystallographers where the attachments will be put according to specific arguments (and date), and moderated in turn by few rietvelders (who can and want to do this, nothing is imposed) to erase data every month (or so) old data previous an email remainding when old data will be deleted? This will also eliminate or reduce the needs for hyperlinks. I hope not to be crucified and especial y I ask Alan (who created this list) an opinion on that. ++ Please do NOT attach files to the whole list alan.he...@neutronoptics.com Send commands to lists...@ill.fr eg: HELP as the subject with no body text The Rietveld_L list archive is on http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/ ++
