Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Compilations messing up Artists list
mr-b;292724 Wrote: > I'm happy to report that after tagging all my compilations with > compilation=1, and an overnight "clear and rescan", my Artists # has > dropped by 2/3 and there are now lots of entries under "Artists > > Various Artists". Admittedly, clicking on many end up as blank screens, > but that sounds like another thread ... ;-) Well at least one problem is sorted. The day I figured out the compilation tag problem I almost wept, such was the relief at finally getting it to work! -- killie99 Musical Fidelity KW250S, Impulse H2 speakers oh, and an SB3 killie99's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8337 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46264 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Compilations messing up Artists list
Happy to have helped! Adding to the tag panel is certainly an excellent mp3tag feature. -- smc2911 http://www.last.fm/user/smc2911/ smc2911's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4388 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46264 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Compilations messing up Artists list
I'm happy to report that after tagging all my compilations with compilation=1, and an overnight "clear and rescan", my Artists # has dropped by 2/3 and there are now lots of entries under "Artists > Various Artists". Admittedly, clicking on many end up as blank screens, but that sounds like another thread ... ;-) -- mr-b mr-b's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10044 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46264 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Compilations messing up Artists list
I've often wondered how you added to the left pane! thanks :) -- killie99 Musical Fidelity KW250S, Impulse H2 speakers oh, and an SB3 killie99's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8337 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46264 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Compilations messing up Artists list
smc2911;292580 Wrote: > Since I use the COMPILATION tag quite a lot, I find it easier to add > COMPILATION to the tag panel (on the left). Tools > Options > Tag > Panel. Click the star (make new entry) button and set the Field to > COMPILATION and the Name to, say, Compilation. Then you will be able to > set compilation to 1 (or 0) just as you would edit a Track Name. I do > the same for ALBUMARTIST, DISCNUMBER, DISCCOUNT, COMPOSER. Wow, I didn't know you could change that. I skipped over that evidently. Very helpful thank you. -- Nonreality *-If the rule you followed brought you to this, what good is the rule.-* Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46264 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Compilations messing up Artists list
Since I use the COMPILATION tag quite a lot, I find it easier to add COMPILATION to the tag panel (on the left). Tools > Options > Tag Panel. Click the star (make new entry) button and set the Field to COMPILATION and the Name to, say, Compilation. Then you will be able to set compilation to 1 (or 0) just as you would edit a Track Name. I do the same for ALBUMARTIST, DISCNUMBER, DISCCOUNT, COMPOSER. -- smc2911 http://www.last.fm/user/smc2911/ smc2911's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4388 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46264 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Compilations messing up Artists list
Open mp3tag and select files you wish to add the compilation tag to. Select 'view' 'extended tags'. Click on the icon in the middle top of the new window with the little star in it (hover the mouse over the icon and it should say 'add field'). In the 'field' line type COMPILATION and in the 'value' line type 1 Click 'ok', 'ok' and Robert is your mother's brother as they say -- killie99 Musical Fidelity KW250S, Impulse H2 speakers oh, and an SB3 killie99's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8337 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46264 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Compilations messing up Artists list
Dumb question time - how do you set the compilation tag in mp3tag? -- mr-b mr-b's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10044 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46264 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Compilations messing up Artists list
Tx - exactly what I needed. I think this, together with adding MusicBrainz and other web sources to mp3tag (as per http://www.anytag.de/forums/index.php?showtopic=1794) should mean that it'll be a lot easier to check compilations are correctly tagged. It would be useful if this stuff was mentioned in the mp3tag wiki. -- mr-b mr-b's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10044 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46264 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Compilations messing up Artists list
The COMPILATION=1 tag isn't set by default. You need to select all the tracks you wish to tag with this and then (I haven't got mp3tag on the pc at work but off the top of my head i think you need to...) go to TagSources drop down menu and select advanced. Then add a COMPILATION=1 tag and save. I'll check when I get home tonight! -- killie99 Musical Fidelity KW250S, Impulse H2 speakers oh, and an SB3 killie99's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8337 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46264 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Compilations messing up Artists list
If you select a file and look for extended tags, it will show you if the COMPILATION tag is set. An easier way to see across your whole library is to add a custom column that will show you. Select customise columns, New, and type: Name - Compilation Value - %compilation% Field - %compilation% Tick Numeric Press Ok This should add a column to the library view which will show if Compilation is set. 1=yes it is a compilation. 0=no it isn't a compilation and blank means the tag isn't set. HTH. -- Siduhe Siduhe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46264 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Compilations messing up Artists list
Any clue how you display this tag with mp3tag? Searched mp3tag help and the forums to no avail. -- mr-b mr-b's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10044 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46264 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Compilations messing up Artists list
with SS7 you must have tracks from compilation albums tagged with the COMPILATION =1 tag or else they show up all over the place. This will force all compilation tracks to appear under the "Various Artist" listing. I spent days trying to figure this out and it has also worked for several other people who have had this problem. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45467 -- killie99 Musical Fidelity KW250S, Impulse H2 speakers oh, and an SB3 killie99's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8337 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46264 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Compilations messing up Artists list
mr-b;291950 Wrote: > 1) scans my files and highlights those with obviously incorrect tagsIt's > pretty easy to do this with mp3tag. Use mp3tag to open the top level folder that all your music is stored in (it may be slow to open if you have a lot of albums). Then click on the track column and any blank ones will be sorted to the top. > 2) uses a better quality tag source dbI've found the musicbrainz database to > be the best quality, but it's not quite as comprehensive as freedb. If you find a disc not in musicbrainz you can always help the community by adding the disc yourself!> > 3) allows you to preview all the tagsIf by this you mean preview prior to > ripping that could be tricky as the tags don't exist until the track is ripped! Still, you shouldn't find problems with too many discs. I've ripped around 900 CDs and have only had the compilation artist/track problem about a dozen times. Nevertheless, I still use musicbrainz as it is more consistent with things like capitalization of track names. -- smc2911 http://www.last.fm/user/smc2911/ smc2911's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4388 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46264 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Compilations messing up Artists list
Thanks for all for the useful info. To help me understand better, here's my summary interpretation of the issues - please correct me on anything! (I'm filing this under "Things I wish I'd known before ripping" ...) If using EAC configured as per the Slimdevices wiki, it uses freedb as a tag source, and which has broken-format tags for some compilations. It is hard to detect this at rip time since EAC doesn't preview the tag allocations. So one needs to use mp3tag (or other tag viewer) afterwards to check for correctness e.g. a blank title tag is definitely wrong. Also I've noticed that the EAC-generated filenames are often formatted "track# artist title - artist title". Mp3tag can use Convert Filename - Tag to generate correct tags from this. So, given that I've now finished ripping, what I really need is a tagging app that: 1) scans my files and highlights those with obviously incorrect tags 2) uses a better quality tag source db 3) allows you to preview all the tags My current method of achieving #1 is either by spotting weird entries in the SC Artists list or bulk-loading entries into mp3tag and sorting by title to find delinquent entries, but this is all rather laborious, so I'd prefer something more automated and intelligent. For #2, I tried mp3tag with amazon.com/de but those too often have incorrectly-formatted tags. Still got to find time to try out MusicBrainz (Picard)... -- mr-b mr-b's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10044 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46264 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Compilations messing up Artists list
slimpy;291628 Wrote: > If you don't want to type all the info yourself you need to get the > track and album information from somewhere. This is usually either > freedb or musicbrainz. > I don't quite understand what you mean by "using dynamic naming using > masks" but if you refer to tagging the files based on filename then you > still need to get the filenames set up somehow. > > But maybe I just don't get your point. > > -s. Sorry, I probably wasn't very clear. You still get your info from those sources but you need to set up in EAC how it uses that info. In the options there a setup on what field goes where and you can change that to suit your needs. By dynamic I mean it's not set in advance but based on the tags of each album using masks ie instead of Dark Side of the Moon. You use masks in Mp3tag also so it's a good thing to get an idea on how they work. I'm still learning. There are lots of different ways to have EAC use the info depending on how you like your music organized. I changed to dbpoweramp because it's a lot easier to set up and you can see what info is being used from freedb and allmusic to tag the main fields and change if you want before it rips. It also gets album art and is every bit as secure a ripper. But EAC will do a fine job you just have to play with it more. Smc2511's post will get you started on fixing your current ones. Mp3tag is a great program, one that I actually donated to because it saved me a couple of times. The more you use it and read up on it the more you'll appreciate it. Anyway I hope I haven't confused you more. -- Nonreality *-If the rule you followed brought you to this, what good is the rule.-* Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46264 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Compilations messing up Artists list
Although it is true that freedb only has a track title not an artist title for tracks, EAC will handle compilations correctly when tracks are tagged with the convention "Artist / Title". However, people do not always stick to the convention, using things like "Artist - Title" as in your example, which confuses EAC. Fortunately through the power of "Actions", mp3tag, you can fix this. Here's how: In mp3tag, load up the offending tracks, highlight them and then select Convert > Actions. Click the button with the star to create a new action group, call it something like "Artist - Title split", then click the star button to create a new action, select "Guess values", enter %artist% into Source Format (since that's where the data is!) and %artist% - %title% in as the guessing pattern, then press OK and OK. Then click the checkbox next to your new action group, hit OK and, voila, mp3tag will split all the artist tags and populate the track tags correctly. Having created this action group, next time you only need to select Convert > Actions and check the action group to use it again. If you come across other dodgy freedb tags (e.g. I've seen Artist -- Title) you can create actions to fix those too. Luckily, most compilations work properly, but this example does give you a hint of the power of Actions! Let me know if anything in this explanation is confusing and I'll happily clarify. -- smc2911 http://www.last.fm/user/smc2911/ smc2911's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4388 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46264 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Compilations messing up Artists list
Nonreality;291606 Wrote: > It's not EAC or Freedb. You have the choice on how you want it to set up > your files by using dynamic naming using masks. If you don't want to type all the info yourself you need to get the track and album information from somewhere. This is usually either freedb or musicbrainz. I don't quite understand what you mean by "using dynamic naming using masks" but if you refer to tagging the files based on filename then you still need to get the filenames set up somehow. But maybe I just don't get your point. -s. -- slimpy slimpy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1524 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46264 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Compilations messing up Artists list
It's not EAC or Freedb. You have the choice on how you want it to set up your files by using dynamic naming using masks. It's much more complicated on various artist type albums. I've finally started grouping all my albums under the album artist tag which is the same as artist in most cases. I leave artist to show who the artist singing is and if it's many artists and not one major one I'll set the album artist to Various Artists. It will show up in SB as Various Artists but won't populate the artist field. If it is a album with one major artist and a few guests I'll name the various artist field by the major artist and in most programs it will show under his or her collection, but not in SB, it will be under Various artists also. Not perfect but it works ok for me and I don't get all the artists plugging up the menu. If you decide to do something like this it's pretty easy to change using mp3tag, as long as your artist tags are in good shape. If you decide to try it, do it on a couple of albums and if you like it I can give you some tips to make it easy in mp3tag. -- Nonreality *-If the rule you followed brought you to this, what good is the rule.-* Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46264 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Compilations messing up Artists list
This makes sense - very valuable info! I'd never heard of this serious EAC/freedb deficiency before. Surely I can't be the only one who's been bitten by this??? Anyway it looks like I've got to go and scan'n'fix lots of my tags. :-( Mp3tag does have some pretty powerful conversion features - and I managed to get it to populate some sensible tag info from the filenames. Will take a look at MusicBrainz too. -- mr-b mr-b's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10044 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46264 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Compilations messing up Artists list
mr-b;291231 Wrote: > Anyway I changed the 2nd setting and the Artists listing still contains > the spurious "Artist - Track" entries - even after a "clear and > rescan". As long as the tags still contain these values SC will use them. There's no way to get rid of them without actually changing the tags. mr-b;291231 Wrote: > My issue is that I'm not sure what constitutes "clean". As stated > before, I can't see any guidance on tagging for compilations. > Is the blank Title tag and combined artist=artist-title tag "clean"? > EAC has tagged it that way for lots of compilations so it seems > strange that they are all wrong (I guess the source was freedb). Compilations are tagged just like normal albums with an album title (must be the same on all tracks), track artist and track title. SC will recognise these albums as compilations and will list them under various artists. To have both artist and title in the artist tag is certainly not what I call clean. The problem seems to be that freedb only uses one artist field for the album artist and not artist fields per track. Compilations in freedb are usually tagged with "Various" as album artist and track artist and track title seperated by "-" or "/" in the title field. I have no clue why EAC puts these value into the artist field and not the title field. Some ripping programs let you split these values into seperate track artist and track title fields prior to ripping the CD (e.g. grip on linux can do this). In mp3tag you can define actions to process a large number of tracks at once. It should be possible to set up an action that splits the artist field at any given seperator character and puts artist and title in their respective tag fields. Another option would be to use a musicbrainz tagger to automatically tag those albums. The musicbrainz database makes use of track artists and some more fields that are not present in freedb. -s. -s. -- slimpy slimpy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1524 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46264 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Compilations messing up Artists list
And what about the filename? Is that one okay? Because then you could use the filter (FILENAME -> TAG). Sometimes I've files which do not show the tag right or incomplete. I used MP3Tag to create the tag from the filename and that worked good. -- Svanur ...It's not the Years in a Life, it's the Life in the Years... Svanur's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15840 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46264 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Compilations messing up Artists list
Yes, mp3tag is how I've discovered that the Title tag is blank on these problem compilations. I tried using mp3tag to obtain tags from Amazon etc. but I can't see how it's going to tag the album from these sources. When it retrieves the tags from a particular source, it doesn't seem to show what the Title tag is going to be set to. -- mr-b mr-b's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10044 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46264 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Compilations messing up Artists list
mr-b;291022 Wrote: > Is there any way to fix this other than laboriously manually editing all > the tags? Why does EAC tag these compilations differently? Maybe MP3TAG ? I also used it for my FLAC files. Not sure if it supports EAC. You could check it out at: http://www.mp3tag.de/en/ Good luck! Svanur. -- Svanur ...It's not the Years in a Life, it's the Life in the Years... Svanur's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15840 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46264 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Compilations messing up Artists list
slimpy;291185 Wrote: > Make sure all tracks from a compilation album are in the same directory. Yup > they are already. > You also want to set "Group compilation albums together" and "List > albums by band" in Server Settings - Behavior. I had the first setting > correct (it's the default) but not the second (the default is "List albums by all artists for that album". TBH I don't understand what this 2nd compilation option does since the short help text doesn't explain it in plain English (well to me anyway). :-( It would be much better if there were examples showing the impact of different settings on the listings. Anyway I changed the 2nd setting and the Artists listing still contains the spurious "Artist - Track" entries - even after a "clear and rescan". > > But to clean up your tags would certainly a good idea. > My issue is that I'm not sure what constitutes "clean". As stated before, I can't see any guidance on tagging for compilations. Is the blank Title tag and combined artist=artist-title tag "clean"? EAC has tagged it that way for lots of compilations so it seems strange that they are all wrong (I guess the source was freedb). -- mr-b mr-b's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10044 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46264 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Compilations messing up Artists list
Make sure all tracks from a compilation album are in the same directory. You also want to set "Group compilation albums together" and "List albums by band" in Server Settings - Behavior. I don't use EAC so I can't comment on your EAC settings. But to clean up your tags would certainly a good idea. -s. -- slimpy slimpy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1524 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46264 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
