Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Flac 1.1.4 released - faster & smaller!
... and here's the ProLiant configuration: [EMAIL PROTECTED] flac-1.1.4]$ gcc -v Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-redhat-linux/3.4.5/specs Configured with: ../configure --prefix=/usr --mandir=/usr/share/man --infodir=/usr/share/info --enable-shared --enable-threads=posix --disable-checking --with-system-zlib --enable-__cxa_atexit --disable-libunwind-exceptions --enable-java-awt=gtk --host=x86_64-redhat-linux Thread model: posix gcc version 3.4.5 20051201 (Red Hat 3.4.5-2) [EMAIL PROTECTED] flac-1.1.4]$ grep -i nasm configure.log checking for nasm... no N. -- nmizel nmizel's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=997 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32744 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Flac 1.1.4 released - faster & smaller!
Josh Coalson;183733 Wrote: > which version of gcc are you using? also in the configure step did it > detect nasm? > > Josh On the VIA I have: [EMAIL PROTECTED] flac-1.1.4]$ gcc -v Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc/i386-redhat-linux/3.4.4/specs Configured with: ../configure --prefix=/usr --mandir=/usr/share/man --infodir=/usr/share/info --enable-shared --enable-threads=posix --disable-checking --with-system-zlib --enable-__cxa_atexit --disable-libunwind-exceptions --enable-java-awt=gtk --host=i386-redhat-linux Thread model: posix gcc version 3.4.4 20050721 (Red Hat 3.4.4-2) [EMAIL PROTECTED] flac-1.1.4]$ grep -i nasm configure.log checking for nasm... no I'll post the config of the ProLiant tomorrow. N. -- nmizel nmizel's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=997 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32744 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Flac 1.1.4 released - faster & smaller!
which version of gcc are you using? also in the configure step did it detect nasm? Josh -- Josh Coalson Josh Coalson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32744 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Flac 1.1.4 released - faster & smaller!
Also about 5% increase in decoding time on a VIA Eden (Samuel 2) running FC3. -- nmizel nmizel's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=997 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32744 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Flac 1.1.4 released - faster & smaller!
Josh Coalson;182805 Wrote: > --- nmizel forums.slimdevices.com> > wrote: > > But surprisingly I noticed a 5% *increase* in decoding time with the > > new files (yet smaller) with both 1.1.2 and 1.1.4 flac programs. > > interesting, what kind of machine are you using? (OS and CPU) > > some optimizations can turn into whack-a-mole with all the different > platforms. > > Josh Hello Josh, I deleted my post straight after posting as I thought I made a mistake with my analysis. But after double checking I can still see a 5-7% increase in decoding time. The machine is a HP ProLiant ML570 G3 running Red Hat Enterprise Linux AS release 4, 2.6.9-34.ELsmp Kernel (64-bit). The CPUs are 4 Intel Xeon 3.33GHz. I built flac from source with the default parameters. Let me know if you need further information. Thanks for all your work. Nicolas -- nmizel nmizel's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=997 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32744 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Flac 1.1.4 released - faster & smaller!
--- nmizel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But surprisingly I noticed a 5% *increase* in decoding time with the > new files (yet smaller) with both 1.1.2 and 1.1.4 flac programs. interesting, what kind of machine are you using? (OS and CPU) some optimizations can turn into whack-a-mole with all the different platforms. Josh Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Flac 1.1.4 released - faster & smaller!
Rick B.;181180 Wrote: > They claim "increased compression" - does anyone know how much space is > saved with 1.1.4 vs. 1.1.3? > > Should I be re-ripping all of my CD's? I did some test and got about 2% savings after transcoding from 1.1.2 to 1.1.4, both with -8 compression. But surprisingly I noticed a 5% *increase* in decoding time with the new files (yet smaller) with both 1.1.2 and 1.1.4 flac programs. Nicolas -- nmizel nmizel's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=997 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32744 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Flac 1.1.4 released - faster & smaller!
street_samurai;182169 Wrote: > oooh...on a related side-note, Synthetic Soul (the guy that wrote the > batch coverter noted above) also wrote a very nice batch that can test > your entire FLAC collection for errors. Nice to know that all your > files are valid! > > http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=50993&view=findpost&p=473106 > Yup, I've been using these, damned useful :) Only problem (and he knows about them) is that for some reason .bat files strip % characters from filenames so any that have % in the path/filename never work. Some other characters like the caret (^) do odd things to. Meant I've found a few broken flacs in my collection but thanks to the script I now verify the flacs that EAC creates :) -- probedb Paul. 'last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/probedb) 'myspace.com' (http://www.myspace.com/l328nud) probedb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7825 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32744 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Flac 1.1.4 released - faster & smaller!
oooh...on a related side-note, Synthetic Soul (the guy that wrote the batch coverter noted above) also wrote a very nice batch that can test your entire FLAC collection for errors. Nice to know that all your files are valid! http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=50993&view=findpost&p=473106 ss. -- street_samurai street_samurai's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=199 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32744 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Flac 1.1.4 released - faster & smaller!
First up: Josh you Rock! Flac is a superb codec and its changed everything about the way I listen to music. Thank you for your great work! I found a good DOS/windows batch file to convert files between earlier versions and 1.14: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=50993&view=findpost&p=462479 It says it works for 1.13 but it works just fine for 1.14. The beauty is that you can drop files/folders right on to the batch file (including folders with sub-folders). Both regular meta-data and replay-gain data remained intact. Remember to set your FLAC path and compression level before starting. After some brief testing I'll probably not bother re-compressing my entire collection now (for a single random album I saved 4.2mb in space) but I'm excited about better performance and smaller files in the future! ss. -- street_samurai street_samurai's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=199 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32744 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Flac 1.1.4 released - faster & smaller!
--- sleepysurf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Josh, GREAT job! Any idea when the Win .exe installer will be > available? I have some less tech saavy friends and family that I've > turned on to the Squeezebox using FLAC, and it will be easier for > them with the .exe installer. not sure exactly, Mike is still working on it. hopefully this week. thanks everyone for the kind words. Josh Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Flac 1.1.4 released - faster & smaller!
Josh, GREAT job! Any idea when the Win .exe installer will be available? I have some less tech saavy friends and family that I've turned on to the Squeezebox using FLAC, and it will be easier for them with the .exe installer. -- sleepysurf squeezebox2 (with elpac linear psu) > benchmark dac1 > modwright swl 9.0 pre > belles 350a reference > ml summits. blue jeans cables. sleepysurf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32744 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Flac 1.1.4 released - faster & smaller!
1.1.4 is indeed faster. As I'm halfway through the process of ripping some 1,000+ CD's this is very much appreciated. Thank you. -- Rick B. Rick B.'s Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8973 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32744 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Flac 1.1.4 released - faster & smaller!
jeffmeh;181326 Wrote: > If anyone has done any performance benchmarking and can provide some > comparison data between -5 and -8, that would be great (e.g., how much > additional compression for how much additional encoding time?). i don't have any encoding time data, just some compression comparisons. As you only compress once, i don't really mind how long it takes. Although i think the difference between -5 and -8 on previous versions was about 2x. This should be better in 1.1.4 going by the change logs. I'll see what data i can put together when i get home next week. -- funkstar funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32744 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Flac 1.1.4 released - faster & smaller!
I should clarify--going from 1.1.2 to 1.1.3 both at -5 was only a 2-3% size difference. I was comparing 1.1.2 at -5 to 1.1.3 at -8. That's around 5% (I only spot checked a few files too, so it's possible the actual difference would be different.) Still, it's worth doing. funkstar;181252 Wrote: > 1.1.3 added the ability to take an existing FLAC file and re-compress it > using the new algorithms. This preserves all the meta data within the > FLAC so you don't have to re-tag. > > I think there are scripts (perl and batch files) that will run through > a complete library re-compressing everything as well as maintaining the > file modified/created dates and possibly adding album art to the meta > data as well. > > I intend doing this at some point on my collection. As mrfantasy said, > large drives are pretty cheap, but i'd rather not replace both my > online and backup offline copy drives just yet. 5% Might be optimistic > in a lick for like test, but a lot of mine was compressed with -5 as > opposed to -8 so i do expect to see a good few gig saving. -- mrfantasy --Mike mrfantasy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1127 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32744 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Flac 1.1.4 released - faster & smaller!
If anyone has done any performance benchmarking and can provide some comparison data between -5 and -8, that would be great (e.g., how much additional compression for how much additional encoding time?). -- jeffmeh jeffmeh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3986 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32744 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Flac 1.1.4 released - faster & smaller!
Rick B.;181180 Wrote: > Should I be re-ripping all of my CD's? 1.1.3 added the ability to take an existing FLAC file and re-compress it using the new algorithms. This preserves all the meta data within the FLAC so you don't have to re-tag. I think there are scripts (perl and batch files) that will run through a complete library re-compressing everything as well as maintaining the file modified/created dates and possibly adding album art to the meta data as well. I intend doing this at some point on my collection. As mrfantasy said, large drives are pretty cheap, but i'd rather not replace both my online and backup offline copy drives just yet. 5% Might be optimistic in a lick for like test, but a lot of mine was compressed with -5 as opposed to -8 so i do expect to see a good few gig saving. -- funkstar funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32744 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Flac 1.1.4 released - faster & smaller!
Wombat;180839 Wrote: > I´d like to take the chance and thank you Mr. Coalson for the hard work > you´ve spent over the time to create Flac. This is true, we wouldn't be having all this fun if it wasn't for Josh. So - thank you Josh! -- Mark Lanctot "It's like, you know, a New Age religion, but with better treble response." - Jon Heal Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32744 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Flac 1.1.4 released - faster & smaller!
The standard, non-audiophile response is "lossless is lossless" and that as long as they decompress to the same WAV (which FLAC always does) that the difference in sound should be undetectable. There are always those who feel they can tell the difference though. The SB firmware will be using the same decompression routines so there should be no difference on that side (although, I assume they'll rev the firmware at some point with the 1.1.4 routines especially if there's a performance boost, or just to keep up). It's true that 500GB drives are cheap, but I estimated about a 5% file size difference if I went from 1.1.2 to 1.1.3--and in my setting that's about 15GB, or roughly 30 more CDs I can rip before I need to figure out how to hook up a new drive and move all my data around. That's worth it. If 1.1.3 to 1.1.4 is a similar gain, even more so. I figure a recompression process running in the background, replacing files one at a time, might take a month to run, but who cares, it's just making more space every night. Pat Farrell;181182 Wrote: > Rick B. wrote: > > They claim "increased compression" - does anyone know how much space > is > > saved with 1.1.4 vs. 1.1.3? > > > > Should I be re-ripping all of my CD's? > > NO, never. Not if by "re-rip" you mean put the CD in a computer drive > and extract it again. > > The point of using Flac is that you never lose anything. > So if some future version of flac yields twice the compression, all you > > have to do is use flac to decompress it back to PCM, and then > recompress > it. This can be done in giant batches. You never have to touch your CDs > > again, never have to re-rip them. > > This does not address the implied question, which is how much better is > > the new compression for my music. This is unanswerable in general. > > You can easily test it on some samples from your collection. > > The flac sourceforge site says "Improved compression with no impact on > > format or decoding speed." but improving the compression ratio from 55% > > to 53% is an improvement, but I would not consider it important when > 500 > GB disk drives are so cheap. Unless you have a really, really big > library. > > all IMHO, YMMV, etc. > > > > > -- > Pat > http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html -- mrfantasy --Mike mrfantasy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1127 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32744 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Flac 1.1.4 released - faster & smaller!
I haven't seen a Windows installer, so just used the zip file, and replaced the existing files on my hard-drive with the new ones from the downloaded zip -- Hercules Hercules's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32744 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Flac 1.1.4 released - faster & smaller!
Rick B. wrote: > They claim "increased compression" - does anyone know how much space is > saved with 1.1.4 vs. 1.1.3? > > Should I be re-ripping all of my CD's? NO, never. Not if by "re-rip" you mean put the CD in a computer drive and extract it again. The point of using Flac is that you never lose anything. So if some future version of flac yields twice the compression, all you have to do is use flac to decompress it back to PCM, and then recompress it. This can be done in giant batches. You never have to touch your CDs again, never have to re-rip them. This does not address the implied question, which is how much better is the new compression for my music. This is unanswerable in general. You can easily test it on some samples from your collection. The flac sourceforge site says "Improved compression with no impact on format or decoding speed." but improving the compression ratio from 55% to 53% is an improvement, but I would not consider it important when 500 GB disk drives are so cheap. Unless you have a really, really big library. all IMHO, YMMV, etc. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Flac 1.1.4 released - faster & smaller!
They claim "increased compression" - does anyone know how much space is saved with 1.1.4 vs. 1.1.3? Should I be re-ripping all of my CD's? -- Rick B. Rick B.'s Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8973 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32744 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Flac 1.1.4 released - faster & smaller!
Rick B.;181007 Wrote: > Is upgrading fairly easy? I presume that all I have to do is install the > new version of Flac and then point EAC to it? I'm using Win XP. Thanks. All I did was copied the .EXE over the old one. I didn't seem to need the extra files and libraries in my case. -- Mark Lanctot "It's like, you know, a New Age religion, but with better treble response." - Jon Heal Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32744 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Flac 1.1.4 released - faster & smaller!
Is upgrading fairly easy? I presume that all I have to do is install the new version of Flac and then point EAC to it? Thanks. -- Rick B. Rick B.'s Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8973 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32744 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Flac 1.1.4 released - faster & smaller!
JJZolx;180916 Wrote: > Anyone know where the Windows binaries/installer can be found? All of > the downloads that I've tried so far are still serving up 1.13b. I found them through Wombat's link: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=13478&package_id=12675&release_id=486382 -- Mark Lanctot "It's like, you know, a New Age religion, but with better treble response." - Jon Heal Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32744 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Flac 1.1.4 released - faster & smaller!
Anyone know where the Windows binaries/installer can be found? All of the downloads that I've tried so far are still serving up 1.13b. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32744 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Flac 1.1.4 released - faster & smaller!
I´d like to take the chance and thank you Mr. Coalson for the hard work you´ve spent over the time to create Flac. I´ve just encoded a bunch with this newest release and simply love it. I still have a bad conscience even thinking about switching to flake ;) Cheers! -- Wombat Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32744 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Flac 1.1.4 released - faster & smaller!
sorry about the website, the sourceforge shell server is still down so I cannot update it. you can follow along on the HA thread: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=52691 windows installer should be ready some time today/tonight. Josh -- Josh Coalson Josh Coalson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32744 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Flac 1.1.4 released - faster & smaller!
Seems to be -very- fast on my system, and I'm using compression level 8. Almost as fast as LAME now. Awesome! -- Mark Lanctot "It's like, you know, a New Age religion, but with better treble response." - Jon Heal Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32744 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Flac 1.1.4 released - faster & smaller!
Official binaries: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=13478 -- Wombat Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32744 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Flac 1.1.4 released - faster & smaller!
The source code can be downloaded from http://downloads.sourceforge.net/flac/flac-1.1.4.tar.gz -- Ron Olsen Ron Olsen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9233 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32744 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Flac 1.1.4 released - faster & smaller!
Any idea where it has been released? The download links all still point to 1.1.3. vandermerwe -- vandermerwe Jaboet! vandermerwe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9300 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32744 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
