Re: status file

[Tom Hobbs]

As Sim says, these things don't have any dates on.  As Jukka says, as
long as they have been completed, the exact date isn't hugely
important.  So I'm going to go ahead and just put today's date (or
tomorrows, if I don't get around to it until then) on the following
lines.

Is that okay with everyone?

Copyright
1. Check and make sure that the papers that transfer rights to the ASF
been received. It is only necessary to transfer rights for the
package, the core code, and any new code produced by the project.
2. Check and make sure that the files that have been donated have been
updated to reflect the new ASF copyright.

Verify distribution rights
1. Check and make sure that for all code included with the
distribution that is not under the Apache license, e have the right to
combine with Apache-licensed code and redistribute.
2. Check and make sure that all source code distributed by the project
is covered by one or more of the following approved licenses: Apache,
BSD, Artistic, MIT/X, MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially
the same terms.

Infrastructure
1. Migrate the project to our infrastructure.

On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Benson Margulies  wrote:
> Um, I think so.
>
> On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 4:49 AM, Sim IJskes - QCG  wrote:
>> On 01-12-10 17:26, Craig L Russell wrote:
>>>
>>> Probably the biggest single donation is recorded from Sun Microsystems
>>> for: Jini technology starter kit (v 2.1) and QA tests dated 18 April 2007.
>>>
>>> I didn't see any other grants of technology in the records.
>>
>> Ok. So our status file is not up to date. Who is going to fix this? PPMC
>> volunteers?
>>
>> Gr. Sim
>>
>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Sim IJskes - QCG  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 01-12-10 01:43, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is the status file up to date, and have all the items been resolved?
>>>>>>> Anybody?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Review http://incubator.apache.org/projects/river.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Dates missing:
>>>>>
>>>>> * Check and make sure that the papers that transfer rights to the ASF
>>>>> been
>>>>> received. It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package,
>>>>> the core
>>>>> code, and any new code produced by the project.
>>>>>
>>>>> * Check and make sure that the files that have been donated have been
>>>>> updated to reflect the new ASF copyright.
>>>>>
>>>>> How do we find out if these are cleared?
>>
>>
>> --
>> QCG, Software voor het MKB, 071-5890970, http://www.qcg.nl
>> Quality Consultancy Group b.v., Leiderdorp, Kvk Den Haag: 28088397
>>
>

Re: status file

[Benson Margulies]

Um, I think so.

On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 4:49 AM, Sim IJskes - QCG  wrote:
> On 01-12-10 17:26, Craig L Russell wrote:
>>
>> Probably the biggest single donation is recorded from Sun Microsystems
>> for: Jini technology starter kit (v 2.1) and QA tests dated 18 April 2007.
>>
>> I didn't see any other grants of technology in the records.
>
> Ok. So our status file is not up to date. Who is going to fix this? PPMC
> volunteers?
>
> Gr. Sim
>
>
>>> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Sim IJskes - QCG  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 01-12-10 01:43, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is the status file up to date, and have all the items been resolved?
>>>>>> Anybody?
>>>>>
>>>>> Review http://incubator.apache.org/projects/river.html
>>>>
>>>> Dates missing:
>>>>
>>>> * Check and make sure that the papers that transfer rights to the ASF
>>>> been
>>>> received. It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package,
>>>> the core
>>>> code, and any new code produced by the project.
>>>>
>>>> * Check and make sure that the files that have been donated have been
>>>> updated to reflect the new ASF copyright.
>>>>
>>>> How do we find out if these are cleared?
>
>
> --
> QCG, Software voor het MKB, 071-5890970, http://www.qcg.nl
> Quality Consultancy Group b.v., Leiderdorp, Kvk Den Haag: 28088397
>

Re: status file

[Sim IJskes - QCG]

On 01-12-10 17:26, Craig L Russell wrote:

Probably the biggest single donation is recorded from Sun Microsystems
for: Jini technology starter kit (v 2.1) and QA tests dated 18 April 2007.

I didn't see any other grants of technology in the records.


Ok. So our status file is not up to date. Who is going to fix this? PPMC 
volunteers?


Gr. Sim



On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Sim IJskes - QCG  wrote:

On 01-12-10 01:43, Niclas Hedhman wrote:


Is the status file up to date, and have all the items been resolved?
Anybody?


Review http://incubator.apache.org/projects/river.html


Dates missing:

* Check and make sure that the papers that transfer rights to the ASF
been
received. It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package,
the core
code, and any new code produced by the project.

* Check and make sure that the files that have been donated have been
updated to reflect the new ASF copyright.

How do we find out if these are cleared?



--
QCG, Software voor het MKB, 071-5890970, http://www.qcg.nl
Quality Consultancy Group b.v., Leiderdorp, Kvk Den Haag: 28088397

Re: status file

[Craig L Russell]

Probably the biggest single donation is recorded from Sun Microsystems  
for: Jini technology starter kit (v 2.1) and QA tests dated 18 April  
2007.


I didn't see any other grants of technology in the records.

Craig

On Dec 1, 2010, at 6:50 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote:


On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Sim IJskes - QCG  wrote:

On 01-12-10 01:43, Niclas Hedhman wrote:


Is the status file up to date, and have all the items been  
resolved?

Anybody?


Review  http://incubator.apache.org/projects/river.html


Dates missing:

* Check and make sure that the papers that transfer rights to the  
ASF been
received. It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package,  
the core

code, and any new code produced by the project.

* Check and make sure that the files that have been donated have been
updated to reflect the new ASF copyright.

How do we find out if these are cleared?


I should be sitting "somewhere" in the ASF subversion repository.
Where? I am not sure. Either in Incubator's public repo or worst case
in foundation private repository, accessible by Members only.

Jukka? Benson? Got any clue where to start looking?

AFAIR, all this was handled very early (before my time as Mentor), and
all rights needed were cleared, (incl Jini trademark, right?)


Cheers
--
Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
http://www.qi4j.org - New Energy for Java

I  live here; http://tinyurl.com/2qq9er
I  work here; http://tinyurl.com/2ymelc
I relax here; http://tinyurl.com/2cgsug


Craig L Russell
Architect, Oracle
http://db.apache.org/jdo
408 276-5638 mailto:craig.russ...@oracle.com
P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!

Re: status file

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Niclas Hedhman  wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Sim IJskes - QCG  wrote:
>> * Check and make sure that the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been
>> received. It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the core
>> code, and any new code produced by the project.
>
> I should be sitting "somewhere" in the ASF subversion repository.
> Where? I am not sure. Either in Incubator's public repo or worst case
> in foundation private repository, accessible by Members only.
>
> Jukka? Benson? Got any clue where to start looking?

The records are stored inside the ASF-private repository.

The relevant software grant is dated April 18th, 2007 and covers the
"JINI Technology Starter Kit (v.2.1)" and "QATests" codebases for
Apache River. There's also a CCLA schedule B document dated January
17th, 2007 that covers "Sun's contributions to the 'River' project",
and a CCLA document dated January 27th, 2007 for Artima's contribution
of the ServiceUI API.

>> * Check and make sure that the files that have been donated have been
>> updated to reflect the new ASF copyright.

As far as I can tell we have the correct license headers everywhere.

The exact date of clearing these status entries isn't as important as
the fact that they have been cleared, so you can just enter today's
date based on the above information.

BR,

Jukka Zitting

Re: status file

[Niclas Hedhman]

On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Sim IJskes - QCG  wrote:
> On 01-12-10 01:43, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
>>>
>>> Is the status file up to date, and have all the items been resolved?
>>> Anybody?
>>
>> Review  http://incubator.apache.org/projects/river.html
>
> Dates missing:
>
> * Check and make sure that the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been
> received. It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the core
> code, and any new code produced by the project.
>
> * Check and make sure that the files that have been donated have been
> updated to reflect the new ASF copyright.
>
> How do we find out if these are cleared?

I should be sitting "somewhere" in the ASF subversion repository.
Where? I am not sure. Either in Incubator's public repo or worst case
in foundation private repository, accessible by Members only.

Jukka? Benson? Got any clue where to start looking?

AFAIR, all this was handled very early (before my time as Mentor), and
all rights needed were cleared, (incl Jini trademark, right?)


Cheers
-- 
Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
http://www.qi4j.org - New Energy for Java

I  live here; http://tinyurl.com/2qq9er
I  work here; http://tinyurl.com/2ymelc
I relax here; http://tinyurl.com/2cgsug

status file

[Sim IJskes - QCG]

On 01-12-10 01:43, Niclas Hedhman wrote:

Is the status file up to date, and have all the items been resolved?
Anybody?


Review  http://incubator.apache.org/projects/river.html


Dates missing:

* Check and make sure that the papers that transfer rights to the ASF 
been received. It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, 
the core code, and any new code produced by the project.


* Check and make sure that the files that have been donated have been 
updated to reflect the new ASF copyright.


How do we find out if these are cleared?


Gr. Sim

--
QCG, Software voor het MKB, 071-5890970, http://www.qcg.nl
Quality Consultancy Group b.v., Leiderdorp, Kvk Den Haag: 28088397

status file

[Sim IJskes - QCG]

On 01-12-10 01:43, Niclas Hedhman wrote:

Is the status file up to date, and have all the items been resolved?
Anybody?


Review  http://incubator.apache.org/projects/river.html


Dates missing:

* Check and make sure that the papers that transfer rights to the ASF 
been received. It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, 
the core code, and any new code produced by the project.


* Check and make sure that the files that have been donated have been 
updated to reflect the new ASF copyright.


Gr. Sim

--
QCG, Software voor het MKB, 071-5890970, http://www.qcg.nl
Quality Consultancy Group b.v., Leiderdorp, Kvk Den Haag: 28088397

Re: Status of QA test verification

[Peter Firmstone]

That's awesome Jonathan,  I'd never realised we had so many tests, for 
some reason I'd gotten the impression that I was running everything & 
never investigated it further.


This is really going to improve development confidence.

Cheers,

Peter.

Jonathan Costers wrote:

Currently on Hudson:

[java] -
[java]
[java] # of tests started   = 1022
[java] # of tests completed = 1022
[java] # of tests skipped   = 40
[java] # of tests passed= 1021
[java] # of tests failed= 1
[java]
[java] -
[java]
[java]Date finished:
[java]   Thu Sep 16 08:10:04 UTC 2010
[java]Time elapsed:
[java]   41467 seconds

Full results;
https://hudson.apache.org/hudson/view/River/job/River-trunk-QA/ws/jtsk/trunk/qa/result/index.html

This is the test that fails:
https://hudson.apache.org/hudson/view/River/job/River-trunk-QA/ws/jtsk/trunk/qa/result/com_sun_jini_test_impl_discoverymanager_RemoveGroupsLocsDiscard.td.txt

As you can see, it fails because it tries to bind to some port that is
already in use.

Note that this time, the tests ran on the ubuntu1 instance, not solaris1.

  

Re: Status of QA test verification

[Jonathan Costers]

Currently on Hudson:

[java] -
[java]
[java] # of tests started   = 1022
[java] # of tests completed = 1022
[java] # of tests skipped   = 40
[java] # of tests passed= 1021
[java] # of tests failed= 1
[java]
[java] -
[java]
[java]Date finished:
[java]   Thu Sep 16 08:10:04 UTC 2010
[java]Time elapsed:
[java]   41467 seconds

Full results;
https://hudson.apache.org/hudson/view/River/job/River-trunk-QA/ws/jtsk/trunk/qa/result/index.html

This is the test that fails:
https://hudson.apache.org/hudson/view/River/job/River-trunk-QA/ws/jtsk/trunk/qa/result/com_sun_jini_test_impl_discoverymanager_RemoveGroupsLocsDiscard.td.txt

As you can see, it fails because it tries to bind to some port that is
already in use.

Note that this time, the tests ran on the ubuntu1 instance, not solaris1.

Re: Status of QA test verification

[Jonathan Costers]

Assuming approximate linearity, the full set would take 20 hours to run.
>

It must also be said that (almost) full logging is currently enabled on
Hudson.
Reducing that again to INFO level would probably also benefit the time it
takes to run.

Re: Status of QA test verification

[Jonathan Costers]

>
>
> Perhaps we should create a new category, orthogonal to the existing
> categories, that selects about a one hour regression test that one could run
> regularly during development? I don't think dropping complete existing
> categories is a good way to do it, because that leads to complete
> non-testing of significant components.
>
> Note that the QA suite will run daily, but ONLY if there have been SVN
changes to trunk in the mean time.
But I do see value in a "reduced" set. Problem is how to identify tests that
go in that set.



> Obviously, tests that have failed during the test expansion work are very
> strong candidates for inclusion in the reduced set - they test things that
> are affected by the changes you have backed out, and presumably
> re-implementing those changes is going to be an important part of the future
> work.
>

I agree.


> Incidentally, I've suspended my attempts to write more tests, and switched
> to TaskManager work, because I realized I don't know whether we have the
> tests I think are needed or not. I did know that I was not satisfied with
> the set that were being run, but that is a different matter.
>

Ideally, we should be focusing on writing more unit tests for such things as
the TaskManager.
It seems to me that the QA suite should remain fairly stable (I mean, not a
lot of tests should be added or changed), unless we change the Jini spec or
significantly change behaviour of the implementation.

Re: Status of QA test verification

[Patricia Shanahan]

Jonathan Costers wrote:

This is what we have running in Hudson now:

[java] -
[java]
[java] # of tests started   = 750
[java] # of tests completed = 750
[java] # of tests skipped   = 21
[java] # of tests passed= 748
[java] # of tests failed= 2
[java]
[java] -

Total time: 598 minutes 7 seconds

That's almost 10 hours ... :-) And we seem to have 50% coverage now (seeing
there are about 1500 .td files available)


Assuming approximate linearity, the full set would take 20 hours to run. 
It is practical to do a 20 hour test once a day, but not once every few 
builds, and I like to test early, test often.


Perhaps we should create a new category, orthogonal to the existing 
categories, that selects about a one hour regression test that one could 
run regularly during development? I don't think dropping complete 
existing categories is a good way to do it, because that leads to 
complete non-testing of significant components.


Obviously, tests that have failed during the test expansion work are 
very strong candidates for inclusion in the reduced set - they test 
things that are affected by the changes you have backed out, and 
presumably re-implementing those changes is going to be an important 
part of the future work.


Incidentally, I've suspended my attempts to write more tests, and 
switched to TaskManager work, because I realized I don't know whether we 
have the tests I think are needed or not. I did know that I was not 
satisfied with the set that were being run, but that is a different matter.


Many, many thanks for doing this work on getting more tests running. I 
think it is extremely important.


Patricia

Status of QA test verification

[Jonathan Costers]

This is what we have running in Hudson now:

[java] -
[java]
[java] # of tests started   = 750
[java] # of tests completed = 750
[java] # of tests skipped   = 21
[java] # of tests passed= 748
[java] # of tests failed= 2
[java]
[java] -

Total time: 598 minutes 7 seconds

That's almost 10 hours ... :-) And we seem to have 50% coverage now (seeing
there are about 1500 .td files available)

Here are the failing tests:

[java] -
[java] com/sun/jini/test/impl/reggie/MultihomedClientTest.td
[java] Test Failed: Test Failed with an Unexpected Exception:
java.lang.RuntimeException: Error resolving key logging obtained from
source test description properties
[java]
[java] -

-> fixed this one by pointing it to an existing logging config file (just
committed that fix)

[java] -
[java] com/sun/jini/test/spec/lookupdiscovery/MulticastMonitorAllChange.td
[java] Test Failed: Test Failed:
com.sun.jini.qa.harness.TestException: change failed -- waited 870
seconds (14 minutes) -- 3 change event(s) expected, 0 change event(s)
received
[java]
[java] -

-> still not sure why this is failing on Hudson ... It passes fine locally
...

Re: September Status Report

[Benson Margulies]

Looks good to me. Sign me up.

On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Tom Hobbs  wrote:
> Here's the status report for September.  I'll work out what to do with it
> once it gets signed off by a mentor.
>
> Comments?
>
> River
>
> Apache River is a distributed computing architecture, based on the JSK
> Starter Kit Source code donated by Sun Microsystems, for the Jini
> Specification. While generally referred to as a Service Architecture, it
> might be more easily explained to those familiar with Dependency Injection
> as a Protocol Independent, Distributed Dependency Injection Architecture,
> suited to both hardware and software. Instead of depending on Protocols
> directly for communication, everything is abstracted behind a Java
> interface, allowing protocols and implementations to be swapped freely,
> programming languages other than Java can also participate.
>
> River has been appointed an additional mentor and has seen much increased
> activity on the mailing list in recent weeks and months.
>
> The next release 2.2.0 is scheduled for December, although some discussion
> on whether this is a major release or not continues.
>
> The Incubator PMC and Apache River PPMC have approved one new committer for
> the project, the votes passed in August.
>
> Current development efforts are still focused on a java.security.Policy
> Provider with the following features:
>
> Dynamic Grants at Runtime, based on CodeSource, Code Signer Certificate
> chains , ProtectionDomain or ClassLoader.
> Dynamic Revoke of Grant's at Runtime
>
> Reviewing newly donated code updates and patches, including:
>
> New CodebaseAccessClassLoader and associated changes
> New StreamServiceRegistrar Interface and other additions
> New ConcurrentDyamicPolicyProvider
>
> Additionally:
>
> Work is being performed on TaskManager by our newest committer
> Increasing the test coverage, build process and Ant vs Maven work is ongoing
> Entry-level documentation is starting to appear
>
> We are experiencing increasing interest on our developer mailing list.
>
> 3 most important issues:
> Code review and acceptance of newly submitted patches.
> Streamline the build and test process.
> Get our new committer svn accounts set up and grow our developer pool.
>
> Signed off by mentor:
>

September Status Report

[Tom Hobbs]

Here's the status report for September.  I'll work out what to do with it
once it gets signed off by a mentor.

Comments?

River

Apache River is a distributed computing architecture, based on the JSK
Starter Kit Source code donated by Sun Microsystems, for the Jini
Specification. While generally referred to as a Service Architecture, it
might be more easily explained to those familiar with Dependency Injection
as a Protocol Independent, Distributed Dependency Injection Architecture,
suited to both hardware and software. Instead of depending on Protocols
directly for communication, everything is abstracted behind a Java
interface, allowing protocols and implementations to be swapped freely,
programming languages other than Java can also participate.

River has been appointed an additional mentor and has seen much increased
activity on the mailing list in recent weeks and months.

The next release 2.2.0 is scheduled for December, although some discussion
on whether this is a major release or not continues.

The Incubator PMC and Apache River PPMC have approved one new committer for
the project, the votes passed in August.

Current development efforts are still focused on a java.security.Policy
Provider with the following features:

Dynamic Grants at Runtime, based on CodeSource, Code Signer Certificate
chains , ProtectionDomain or ClassLoader.
Dynamic Revoke of Grant's at Runtime

Reviewing newly donated code updates and patches, including:

New CodebaseAccessClassLoader and associated changes
New StreamServiceRegistrar Interface and other additions
New ConcurrentDyamicPolicyProvider

Additionally:

Work is being performed on TaskManager by our newest committer
Increasing the test coverage, build process and Ant vs Maven work is ongoing
Entry-level documentation is starting to appear

We are experiencing increasing interest on our developer mailing list.

3 most important issues:
Code review and acceptance of newly submitted patches.
Streamline the build and test process.
Get our new committer svn accounts set up and grow our developer pool.

Signed off by mentor:

River Committer Status

[Tom Hobbs]

Hi Brian,

You're probably asking yourself "What kind of idiot would send an email to
an ancient email address when there was a much more recent one available on
the mailing list?"

Well, allow me to introduce myself...

Cheers,

Tom



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-- Forwarded message --
From: Tom Hobbs 
To: brian.t.mur...@sun.com, river-dev@incubator.apache.org
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 10:18:38 +0100
Subject: Apache River | Committer Status

Hi Brian,

I'm attempting to tidy up the Apache River (Jini) SVN repository and
website. Part of that exercise is finding out who wants to remain a
committer.

Can you please respond to this email at your earliest convenience indicating
if you'd like to retain your SVN access and committer status for the Apache
River project? If you'd like to remain as a committer and your organization
affiliation details have changed, can you please let me know the new ones?

Many thanks,

Tom

Re: September Status Report

[Benson Margulies]

http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html

On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Tom Hobbs  wrote:
>> PS. The status update Tom [stole from Peter] will provide excellent
> material for
>> the next River status report that's due in September [4].
>
> Tell me about the Status reports.  Is there a page somewhere which describes
> their format and how to submit them?
>
> I'll regurgitate the latest website update into the status report, if that's
> okay.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Tom
>

September Status Report

[Tom Hobbs]

> PS. The status update Tom [stole from Peter] will provide excellent
material for
> the next River status report that's due in September [4].

Tell me about the Status reports.  Is there a page somewhere which describes
their format and how to submit them?

I'll regurgitate the latest website update into the status report, if that's
okay.

Cheers.

Tom

Re: Apache River | Committer Status

[Tom Hobbs]

Good point.  I'd completely forgotten about those.  I'll leave it a few days
(or a week) and then hit those emails of anyone who hasn't responded yet -
or of those who I've already had bounces for.



On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:

> Hypothetically, we would hope that all committers have kept their
> @apache.org email addresses pointing to a live destination.
>
> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 7:46 AM, Tom Hobbs  wrote:
> > Hi Peter,
> >
> > Thanks for Pete Jones' email address.  I must have missed his messages in
> my
> > trawl of the archives yesterday.  Sadly it seems that Fred wasn't the
> only
> > one I missed.
> >
> > I'll resend the message to his new address.  Sadly those old email
> addresses
> > I had were the only ones I could find, which limited my options somewhat.
> >
> > I won't remove anyones names yet (unless they come back and ask me to),
> but
> > I will get the missing ones added.  In the UK it's still school summer
> > holiday time, so lots of people are away on their yearly vacations and so
> on
> > and will therefore need extra time to reply.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Peter Firmstone 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Oh Tom, you made me laugh. LOL.
> >>
> >> N.B. A lot of the people your trying to contact have different email
> >> addresses now, the recent activity relative to commits doesn't reflect
> >> actual participation.
> >>
> >> Peter Jones was active as recent as April, he's very helpful with
> difficult
> >> issues like DGC and assisted to get the jtreg tests running with ant,
> his
> >> email address is:
> >>
> >> p...@roundroom.net
> >>
> >> Lets take our time, so the word gets around, some of our developers
> might
> >> not have the time right now to participate, but might again down the
> track,
> >> volunteer work depends on available time.  Since many committers are ex
> Sun,
> >> having experienced a big life upheaval after working for one company so
> >> long, many probably need some time to adjust to their new work etc.
> >>
> >> Some are just too valuable to loose, they're legendary, just having
> their
> >> names on the list adds value.  I've got a feeling we'll see some old
> friends
> >> return in the future.  When you think of a new solution to an old
> nagging
> >> problem, the itch is just too hard to ignore sometimes and you've gotta
> >> scratch it.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Peter.
> >>
> >>
> >> Tom Hobbs wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Peter,
> >>>
> >>> I'm attempting to tidy up the Apache River (Jini) SVN repository and
> >>> website. Part of that exercise is finding out who wants to remain a
> >>> committer.
> >>>
> >>> Can you please respond to this email at your earliest convenience
> >>> indicating
> >>> if you'd like to retain your SVN access and committer status for the
> >>> Apache
> >>> River project? If you'd like to remain as a committer and your
> >>> organization
> >>> affiliation details have changed, can you please let me know the new
> >>> details?
> >>>
> >>> Many thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Tom
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
>

Apache River | Committer Status

[Tom Hobbs]

Hi Peter,

Sorry, I picked up your old Sun email address; Peter Firmstone kindly sent
me your current one.

Thanks,

Tom


-- Forwarded message --
From: Tom Hobbs 
To: peter.jo...@sun.com, river-dev@incubator.apache.org
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 10:25:08 +0100
Subject: Apache River | Committer Status

Hi Peter,

I'm attempting to tidy up the Apache River (Jini) SVN repository and
website. Part of that exercise is finding out who wants to remain a
committer.

Can you please respond to this email at your earliest convenience indicating
if you'd like to retain your SVN access and committer status for the Apache
River project? If you'd like to remain as a committer and your organization
affiliation details have changed, can you please let me know the new
details?

Many thanks,

Tom

Re: Apache River | Committer Status

[Benson Margulies]

Hypothetically, we would hope that all committers have kept their
@apache.org email addresses pointing to a live destination.

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 7:46 AM, Tom Hobbs  wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>
> Thanks for Pete Jones' email address.  I must have missed his messages in my
> trawl of the archives yesterday.  Sadly it seems that Fred wasn't the only
> one I missed.
>
> I'll resend the message to his new address.  Sadly those old email addresses
> I had were the only ones I could find, which limited my options somewhat.
>
> I won't remove anyones names yet (unless they come back and ask me to), but
> I will get the missing ones added.  In the UK it's still school summer
> holiday time, so lots of people are away on their yearly vacations and so on
> and will therefore need extra time to reply.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tom
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Peter Firmstone  wrote:
>
>> Oh Tom, you made me laugh. LOL.
>>
>> N.B. A lot of the people your trying to contact have different email
>> addresses now, the recent activity relative to commits doesn't reflect
>> actual participation.
>>
>> Peter Jones was active as recent as April, he's very helpful with difficult
>> issues like DGC and assisted to get the jtreg tests running with ant, his
>> email address is:
>>
>> p...@roundroom.net
>>
>> Lets take our time, so the word gets around, some of our developers might
>> not have the time right now to participate, but might again down the track,
>> volunteer work depends on available time.  Since many committers are ex Sun,
>> having experienced a big life upheaval after working for one company so
>> long, many probably need some time to adjust to their new work etc.
>>
>> Some are just too valuable to loose, they're legendary, just having their
>> names on the list adds value.  I've got a feeling we'll see some old friends
>> return in the future.  When you think of a new solution to an old nagging
>> problem, the itch is just too hard to ignore sometimes and you've gotta
>> scratch it.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Peter.
>>
>>
>> Tom Hobbs wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Peter,
>>>
>>> I'm attempting to tidy up the Apache River (Jini) SVN repository and
>>> website. Part of that exercise is finding out who wants to remain a
>>> committer.
>>>
>>> Can you please respond to this email at your earliest convenience
>>> indicating
>>> if you'd like to retain your SVN access and committer status for the
>>> Apache
>>> River project? If you'd like to remain as a committer and your
>>> organization
>>> affiliation details have changed, can you please let me know the new
>>> details?
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: Apache River | Committer Status

[Tom Hobbs]

Hi Peter,

Thanks for Pete Jones' email address.  I must have missed his messages in my
trawl of the archives yesterday.  Sadly it seems that Fred wasn't the only
one I missed.

I'll resend the message to his new address.  Sadly those old email addresses
I had were the only ones I could find, which limited my options somewhat.

I won't remove anyones names yet (unless they come back and ask me to), but
I will get the missing ones added.  In the UK it's still school summer
holiday time, so lots of people are away on their yearly vacations and so on
and will therefore need extra time to reply.

Cheers,

Tom


On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Peter Firmstone  wrote:

> Oh Tom, you made me laugh. LOL.
>
> N.B. A lot of the people your trying to contact have different email
> addresses now, the recent activity relative to commits doesn't reflect
> actual participation.
>
> Peter Jones was active as recent as April, he's very helpful with difficult
> issues like DGC and assisted to get the jtreg tests running with ant, his
> email address is:
>
> p...@roundroom.net
>
> Lets take our time, so the word gets around, some of our developers might
> not have the time right now to participate, but might again down the track,
> volunteer work depends on available time.  Since many committers are ex Sun,
> having experienced a big life upheaval after working for one company so
> long, many probably need some time to adjust to their new work etc.
>
> Some are just too valuable to loose, they're legendary, just having their
> names on the list adds value.  I've got a feeling we'll see some old friends
> return in the future.  When you think of a new solution to an old nagging
> problem, the itch is just too hard to ignore sometimes and you've gotta
> scratch it.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Peter.
>
>
> Tom Hobbs wrote:
>
>> Hi Peter,
>>
>> I'm attempting to tidy up the Apache River (Jini) SVN repository and
>> website. Part of that exercise is finding out who wants to remain a
>> committer.
>>
>> Can you please respond to this email at your earliest convenience
>> indicating
>> if you'd like to retain your SVN access and committer status for the
>> Apache
>> River project? If you'd like to remain as a committer and your
>> organization
>> affiliation details have changed, can you please let me know the new
>> details?
>>
>> Many thanks,
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: Apache River | Committer Status

[Peter Firmstone]

Oh Tom, you made me laugh. LOL.

N.B. A lot of the people your trying to contact have different email 
addresses now, the recent activity relative to commits doesn't reflect 
actual participation.


Peter Jones was active as recent as April, he's very helpful with 
difficult issues like DGC and assisted to get the jtreg tests running 
with ant, his email address is:


p...@roundroom.net

Lets take our time, so the word gets around, some of our developers 
might not have the time right now to participate, but might again down 
the track, volunteer work depends on available time.  Since many 
committers are ex Sun, having experienced a big life upheaval after 
working for one company so long, many probably need some time to adjust 
to their new work etc.


Some are just too valuable to loose, they're legendary, just having 
their names on the list adds value.  I've got a feeling we'll see some 
old friends return in the future.  When you think of a new solution to 
an old nagging problem, the itch is just too hard to ignore sometimes 
and you've gotta scratch it.


Cheers,

Peter.

Tom Hobbs wrote:

Hi Peter,

I'm attempting to tidy up the Apache River (Jini) SVN repository and
website. Part of that exercise is finding out who wants to remain a
committer.

Can you please respond to this email at your earliest convenience indicating
if you'd like to retain your SVN access and committer status for the Apache
River project? If you'd like to remain as a committer and your organization
affiliation details have changed, can you please let me know the new
details?

Many thanks,

Tom

  

Re: Apache River | Committer Status

[Tom Hobbs]

Yes, I'd like to keep my committer status please.

Bizarrely, this is /not/ one of the strangest emails I've ever sent...


On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Tom Hobbs  wrote:

> Hi Tom,
>
>
> I'm attempting to tidy up the Apache River (Jini) SVN repository and
> website. Part of that exercise is finding out who wants to remain a
> committer.
>
> Can you please respond to this email at your earliest convenience
> indicating if you'd like to retain your SVN access and committer status for
> the Apache River project? If you'd like to remain as a committer and your
> organization affiliation details have changed, can you please let me know
> the new details?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Tom
>

Apache River | Committer Status

[Tom Hobbs]

Hi Tom,

I'm attempting to tidy up the Apache River (Jini) SVN repository and
website. Part of that exercise is finding out who wants to remain a
committer.

Can you please respond to this email at your earliest convenience indicating
if you'd like to retain your SVN access and committer status for the Apache
River project? If you'd like to remain as a committer and your organization
affiliation details have changed, can you please let me know the new
details?

Many thanks,

Tom

Apache River | Committer Status

[Tom Hobbs]

Hi Peter,

I'm attempting to tidy up the Apache River (Jini) SVN repository and
website. Part of that exercise is finding out who wants to remain a
committer.

Can you please respond to this email at your earliest convenience indicating
if you'd like to retain your SVN access and committer status for the Apache
River project? If you'd like to remain as a committer and your organization
affiliation details have changed, can you please let me know the new
details?

Many thanks,

Tom

Apache River | Committer Status

[Tom Hobbs]

Hi Jonathan,

I'm attempting to tidy up the Apache River (Jini) SVN repository and
website. Part of that exercise is finding out who wants to remain a
committer.

Can you please respond to this email at your earliest convenience indicating
if you'd like to retain your SVN access and committer status for the Apache
River project? If you'd like to remain as a committer and your organization
affiliation details have changed, can you please let me know the new
details?

Many thanks,

Tom

Apache River | Committer Status

[Tom Hobbs]

Hi Thomas,

I'm attempting to tidy up the Apache River (Jini) SVN repository and
website. Part of that exercise is finding out who wants to remain a
committer.

Can you please respond to this email at your earliest convenience indicating
if you'd like to retain your SVN access and committer status for the Apache
River project? If you'd like to remain as a committer and your organization
affiliation details have changed, can you please let me know the new
details?

Many thanks,

Tom

Apache River | Committer Status

[Tom Hobbs]

Hi Ron,

I'm attempting to tidy up the Apache River (Jini) SVN repository and
website. Part of that exercise is finding out who wants to remain a
committer.

Can you please respond to this email at your earliest convenience indicating
if you'd like to retain your SVN access and committer status for the Apache
River project? If you'd like to remain as a committer and your organization
affiliation details have changed, can you please let me know the new
details?

Many thanks,

Tom

Apache River | Committer Status

[Tom Hobbs]

Hi Robert,

I'm attempting to tidy up the Apache River (Jini) SVN repository and
website. Part of that exercise is finding out who wants to remain a
committer.

Can you please respond to this email at your earliest convenience indicating
if you'd like to retain your SVN access and committer status for the Apache
River project? If you'd like to remain as a committer and your organization
affiliation details have changed, can you please let me know the new
details?

Many thanks,

Tom

Apache River | Committer Status

[Tom Hobbs]

Hi Phil,

I'm attempting to tidy up the Apache River (Jini) SVN repository and
website. Part of that exercise is finding out who wants to remain a
committer.

Can you please respond to this email at your earliest convenience indicating
if you'd like to retain your SVN access and committer status for the Apache
River project? If you'd like to remain as a committer and your organization
affiliation details have changed, can you please let me know the new
details?

Many thanks,

Tom

Apache River | Committer Status

[Tom Hobbs]

Hi Peter,

I'm attempting to tidy up the Apache River (Jini) SVN repository and
website. Part of that exercise is finding out who wants to remain a
committer.

Can you please respond to this email at your earliest convenience indicating
if you'd like to retain your SVN access and committer status for the Apache
River project? If you'd like to remain as a committer and your organization
affiliation details have changed, can you please let me know the new
details?

Many thanks,

Tom

Apache River | Committer Status

[Tom Hobbs]

Hi Mark,

I'm attempting to tidy up the Apache River (Jini) SVN repository and
website. Part of that exercise is finding out who wants to remain a
committer.

Can you please respond to this email at your earliest convenience indicating
if you'd like to retain your SVN access and committer status for the Apache
River project? If you'd like to remain as a committer and your organization
affiliation details have changed, can you please let me know the new
details?

Many thanks,

Tom

Apache River | Committer Status

[Tom Hobbs]

Hi Juan,

I'm attempting to tidy up the Apache River (Jini) SVN repository and
website. Part of that exercise is finding out who wants to remain a
committer.

Can you please respond to this email at your earliest convenience indicating
if you'd like to retain your SVN access and committer status for the Apache
River project? If you'd like to remain as a committer and your organization
affiliation details have changed, can you please let me know the new
details?

Many thanks,

Tom

Apache River | Committer Status

[Tom Hobbs]

Hi John,

I'm attempting to tidy up the Apache River (Jini) SVN repository and
website. Part of that exercise is finding out who wants to remain a
committer.

Can you please respond to this email at your earliest convenience indicating
if you'd like to retain your SVN access and committer status for the Apache
River project? If you'd like to remain as a committer and your organization
affiliation details have changed, can you please let me know the new
details?

Many thanks,

Tom

Apache River | Committer Status

[Tom Hobbs]

Hi Jim,

I'm attempting to tidy up the Apache River (Jini) SVN repository and
website. Part of that exercise is finding out who wants to remain a
committer.

Can you please respond to this email at your earliest convenience indicating
if you'd like to retain your SVN access and committer status for the Apache
River project? If you'd like to remain as a committer and your organization
affiliation details have changed, can you please let me know the new
details?

Many thanks,

Tom

Apache River | Committer Status

[Tom Hobbs]

Hi Jim,

I'm attempting to tidy up the Apache River (Jini) SVN repository and
website. Part of that exercise is finding out who wants to remain a
committer.

Can you please respond to this email at your earliest convenience indicating
if you'd like to retain your SVN access and committer status for the Apache
River project? If you'd like to remain as a committer and your organization
affiliation details have changed, can you please let me know the new
details?

Many thanks,

Tom

Apache River | Committer Status

[Tom Hobbs]

Hi Gianugo,

I'm attempting to tidy up the Apache River (Jini) SVN repository and
website. Part of that exercise is finding out who wants to remain a
committer.

Can you please respond to this email at your earliest convenience indicating
if you'd like to retain your SVN access and committer status for the Apache
River project? If you'd like to remain as a committer and your organization
affiliation details have changed, can you please let me know the new
details?

Many thanks,

Tom

Apache River | Committer Status

[Tom Hobbs]

Hi Geir,

I'm attempting to tidy up the Apache River (Jini) SVN repository and
website. Part of that exercise is finding out who wants to remain a
committer.

Can you please respond to this email at your earliest convenience indicating
if you'd like to retain your SVN access and committer status for the Apache
River project? If you'd like to remain as a committer and your organization
affiliation details have changed, can you please let me know the new
details?

Many thanks,

Tom

Apache River | Committer Status

[Tom Hobbs]

Hi Frank,

I'm attempting to tidy up the Apache River (Jini) SVN repository and
website. Part of that exercise is finding out who wants to remain a
committer.

Can you please respond to this email at your earliest convenience indicating
if you'd like to retain your SVN access and committer status for the Apache
River project? If you'd like to remain as a committer and your organization
affiliation details have changed, can you please let me know the new
details?

Many thanks,

Tom

Apache River | Committer Status

[Tom Hobbs]

Hi Brian,

I'm attempting to tidy up the Apache River (Jini) SVN repository and
website. Part of that exercise is finding out who wants to remain a
committer.

Can you please respond to this email at your earliest convenience indicating
if you'd like to retain your SVN access and committer status for the Apache
River project? If you'd like to remain as a committer and your organization
affiliation details have changed, can you please let me know the new ones?

Many thanks,

Tom

Apache River | Committer Status

[Tom Hobbs]

Hi Bill,

I'm attempting to tidy up the Apache River (Jini) SVN repository and
website. Part of that exercise is finding out who wants to remain a
committer.

Can you please respond to this email at your earliest convenience indicating
if you'd like to retain your SVN access and committer status for the Apache
River project? If you'd like to remain as a committer and your organization
affiliation details have changed, can you please let me know the new ones?

Many thanks,

Tom

Re: River Status Update

[Peter Firmstone]

Thanks Tom, no worries,

The Revocable Policy is experimental, so we probably shouldn't guarantee 
that it'll be included.  We still need to implement Security Delegates 
before it'll be effective.  This will require lots of testing and 
feedback before it makes a release.


We certainly could use some more feedback on the 
StreamServiceRegistrar's proposed interface before we start implementing 
it.  It's intended for delayed unmarshalling and handling very large 
lookup result sets.


Regards,

Peter.

Tom Hobbs wrote:

As discussed, there's a blurb and the end of this email which I intend to
(somehow) get onto the River main web page as a bit of an update.  Does
anyone have any thoughts?  I've shamelessly enhanced (read: stolen) the
contents of Peter's status email from Tue, 11 May 2010 "Goals & Future
Roadmap".

The list of Jira issues at the end is ordered by "last edited" according to
the issue and was limited by my attention span looking through Jira.  Is
there anything on there that shouldn't be?  What big ones did I miss?

@Benson, is this this kind of thing you were talking about?

Cheers,

Tom



River is starting to gain some momentum and is seeing increasing activity on
it's developer mailing list. Lots of code and ideas are being thrown around
with some interesting discussions and some great code being produced. Add a
new Apache Mentor into the mix and the project is starting to look like it
could shape up for graduation soon...

Recent River event include:

* River 2.1.2 has been released
* New CodebaseAccessClassLoader and accociated changes submitted to svn
(Thanks to Gregg Wonderly)
* New StreamServiceRegistrar Interface and other additions proposed
and submitted to svn
* New ConcurrentDyamicPolicyProvider in svn
* New RevokeablePolicy in svn

New functionality and fixes in the pipeline include:

* New Groovy Configuration System (Thanks to Dennis Reedy)
* Fully functional ConcurrentDynamicPolicyProvider
* Fully functional RevokeablePolicy
* A StreamServiceRegistrar implementation

Future Roadmap:

* Integrate Jini Surrogate Architecture.
* Apache River - Java CDC support for dynamic code downloading and Jini
Services utilising a subset of Jini's API.
* Apache River 2.2.0 Release, Scheduled for December.
* Better "Getting starting" documentation for new River developers
* Better resources for users of River (Thanks to Tim Blackman for
Jini-in-a-Jar donation)

River is actively looking for people who can help with the following areas:

  * Revi1ew of patches waiting to be included into SVN, particularly
  - River-345: SDM LookupCache multi-LUS stale proxy/discard problems (
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/RIVER-345)
  - River-336: Jini should support platforms other than those with
RMIClassLoader as the classloading control point. IDEs inparticular need
help (https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/RIVER-336)
  - River-313: Provide mechanism to swap in alternatives to Java DSL for
service configuration (https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/RIVER-313)
* New feature functionality, particularly
  - River-342: Jini in a Jar - some helpful utilities for newbie's (
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/RIVER-342)
  - River-337: Attempted discard of unknown registrar kills
LookupLocatorDiscovery thread (
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/RIVER-337)
  - River-332: Use of Depreciated Interface java.rmi.server.RemoteCall (
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/RIVER-332)
* Updated documentation and tools for new River developers and
developers using River

  

Re: River Status Update

[Benson Margulies]

Confluence edits should appear on their own -- after some period of
time. If they don't, well have to ask for more advice.

On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Sim IJskes - QCG  wrote:
> On 08/24/2010 04:58 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
>>
>> I'm very sorry to be a source of confusion here. I tripped over some
>> ancient static web site source for River, so I concluded that it was
>> not already in Confluence. It is already in Confluence, and all you
>> committers should have access to edit it.
>
> Could you tell me how we sync the website and confluence? I've changed some
> page once, and the website wasn't updated.
>
> Gr. Sim
>
>

Re: River Status Update

[Sim IJskes - QCG]

On 08/24/2010 04:58 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:

I'm very sorry to be a source of confusion here. I tripped over some
ancient static web site source for River, so I concluded that it was
not already in Confluence. It is already in Confluence, and all you
committers should have access to edit it.


Could you tell me how we sync the website and confluence? I've changed 
some page once, and the website wasn't updated.


Gr. Sim

Re: River Status Update

[Benson Margulies]

I'm very sorry to be a source of confusion here. I tripped over some
ancient static web site source for River, so I concluded that it was
not already in Confluence. It is already in Confluence, and all you
committers should have access to edit it.

On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Tom Hobbs  wrote:
> Sorry for being daft, but what does "ask for the required Confluence karma"
> mean?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Benson Margulies 
> wrote:
>
>> OK here.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 5:33 AM, Tom Hobbs  wrote:
>> > Thanks for the help on process, guys.
>> >
>> > Does anyone have any comments on the content?
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 2:48 AM, Benson Margulies > >wrote:
>> >
>> >> Niclas is correct. To my partial shock and horror (just kidding), the
>> >> entire incubator web site is One Big Thing, and you run a build on the
>> >> whole business.
>> >>
>> >> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html
>> >>
>> >> I just discovered that I myself am not in the necessary group to
>> >> complete the process, and I opened a ticket with infra.
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 8:32 PM, Niclas Hedhman 
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Benson Margulies
>> >> >  wrote:
>> >> >> Two things to hit:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/site-author/projects/river.xml
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/river/site/
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It looks to me as if the former is magically self-transforming into
>> >> >> HTML, and the later you modify, commit, build, and stick into the
>> >> >> right place in /www on people.apache.org.
>> >> >
>> >> > Does it now? I have been out of the loop for long, as we have "always"
>> >> > needed to both "build" the site-author with the build script in its
>> >> > parent directory as well as "publish" it to /www.
>> >> >
>> >> > It is also important to know that there can be substantial delays,
>> >> > since website is mirrored somehow.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Cheers
>> >> > --
>> >> > Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
>> >> > http://www.qi4j.org - New Energy for Java
>> >> >
>> >> > I  live here; http://tinyurl.com/2qq9er
>> >> > I  work here; http://tinyurl.com/2ymelc
>> >> > I relax here; http://tinyurl.com/2cgsug
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>>
>

Re: River Status Update

[Tom Hobbs]

Sorry for being daft, but what does "ask for the required Confluence karma"
mean?

Thanks.


On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:

> OK here.
>
> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 5:33 AM, Tom Hobbs  wrote:
> > Thanks for the help on process, guys.
> >
> > Does anyone have any comments on the content?
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 2:48 AM, Benson Margulies  >wrote:
> >
> >> Niclas is correct. To my partial shock and horror (just kidding), the
> >> entire incubator web site is One Big Thing, and you run a build on the
> >> whole business.
> >>
> >> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html
> >>
> >> I just discovered that I myself am not in the necessary group to
> >> complete the process, and I opened a ticket with infra.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 8:32 PM, Niclas Hedhman 
> >> wrote:
> >> > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Benson Margulies
> >> >  wrote:
> >> >> Two things to hit:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/site-author/projects/river.xml
> >> >>
> >> >> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/river/site/
> >> >>
> >> >> It looks to me as if the former is magically self-transforming into
> >> >> HTML, and the later you modify, commit, build, and stick into the
> >> >> right place in /www on people.apache.org.
> >> >
> >> > Does it now? I have been out of the loop for long, as we have "always"
> >> > needed to both "build" the site-author with the build script in its
> >> > parent directory as well as "publish" it to /www.
> >> >
> >> > It is also important to know that there can be substantial delays,
> >> > since website is mirrored somehow.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Cheers
> >> > --
> >> > Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
> >> > http://www.qi4j.org - New Energy for Java
> >> >
> >> > I  live here; http://tinyurl.com/2qq9er
> >> > I  work here; http://tinyurl.com/2ymelc
> >> > I relax here; http://tinyurl.com/2cgsug
> >> >
> >>
> >
>

Re: River Status Update

[Benson Margulies]

OK here.

On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 5:33 AM, Tom Hobbs  wrote:
> Thanks for the help on process, guys.
>
> Does anyone have any comments on the content?
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 2:48 AM, Benson Margulies 
> wrote:
>
>> Niclas is correct. To my partial shock and horror (just kidding), the
>> entire incubator web site is One Big Thing, and you run a build on the
>> whole business.
>>
>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html
>>
>> I just discovered that I myself am not in the necessary group to
>> complete the process, and I opened a ticket with infra.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 8:32 PM, Niclas Hedhman 
>> wrote:
>> > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Benson Margulies
>> >  wrote:
>> >> Two things to hit:
>> >>
>> >>
>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/site-author/projects/river.xml
>> >>
>> >> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/river/site/
>> >>
>> >> It looks to me as if the former is magically self-transforming into
>> >> HTML, and the later you modify, commit, build, and stick into the
>> >> right place in /www on people.apache.org.
>> >
>> > Does it now? I have been out of the loop for long, as we have "always"
>> > needed to both "build" the site-author with the build script in its
>> > parent directory as well as "publish" it to /www.
>> >
>> > It is also important to know that there can be substantial delays,
>> > since website is mirrored somehow.
>> >
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> > --
>> > Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
>> > http://www.qi4j.org - New Energy for Java
>> >
>> > I  live here; http://tinyurl.com/2qq9er
>> > I  work here; http://tinyurl.com/2ymelc
>> > I relax here; http://tinyurl.com/2cgsug
>> >
>>
>

Re: River Status Update

[Tom Hobbs]

Thanks for the help on process, guys.

Does anyone have any comments on the content?


On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 2:48 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:

> Niclas is correct. To my partial shock and horror (just kidding), the
> entire incubator web site is One Big Thing, and you run a build on the
> whole business.
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html
>
> I just discovered that I myself am not in the necessary group to
> complete the process, and I opened a ticket with infra.
>
> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 8:32 PM, Niclas Hedhman 
> wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Benson Margulies
> >  wrote:
> >> Two things to hit:
> >>
> >>
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/site-author/projects/river.xml
> >>
> >> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/river/site/
> >>
> >> It looks to me as if the former is magically self-transforming into
> >> HTML, and the later you modify, commit, build, and stick into the
> >> right place in /www on people.apache.org.
> >
> > Does it now? I have been out of the loop for long, as we have "always"
> > needed to both "build" the site-author with the build script in its
> > parent directory as well as "publish" it to /www.
> >
> > It is also important to know that there can be substantial delays,
> > since website is mirrored somehow.
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> > --
> > Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
> > http://www.qi4j.org - New Energy for Java
> >
> > I  live here; http://tinyurl.com/2qq9er
> > I  work here; http://tinyurl.com/2ymelc
> > I relax here; http://tinyurl.com/2cgsug
> >
>

Re: River Status Update

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Sim IJskes - QCG  wrote:
> Why not takedown the current site, and redirect to confluence?

This is about the River status page [1] that's maintained as a part of
the main Incubator site.

The River web site at [2] is maintained in our Confluence wiki at [3].
All River committers are given full edit access to the wiki. You just
need to register an account and ask for the required Confluence karma.

PS. The status update Tom started will provide excellent material for
the next River status report that's due in September [4].

[1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/river.html
[2] http://incubator.apache.org/river/
[3] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/RIVER
[4] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/September2010

BR,

Jukka Zitting

Re: River Status Update

[Sim IJskes - QCG]

On 08/24/2010 03:48 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:

Niclas is correct. To my partial shock and horror (just kidding), the
entire incubator web site is One Big Thing, and you run a build on the
whole business.


Why not takedown the current site, and redirect to confluence?

We can easily prototype the pages there.

Gr. Sim

Re: River Status Update

[Craig L Russell]

On Aug 23, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:


Niclas is correct.


Wy more often than not.

Craig

Craig L Russell
Architect, Oracle
http://db.apache.org/jdo
408 276-5638 mailto:craig.russ...@oracle.com
P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!

Re: River Status Update

[Benson Margulies]

Niclas is correct. To my partial shock and horror (just kidding), the
entire incubator web site is One Big Thing, and you run a build on the
whole business.

http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html

I just discovered that I myself am not in the necessary group to
complete the process, and I opened a ticket with infra.

On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 8:32 PM, Niclas Hedhman  wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Benson Margulies
>  wrote:
>> Two things to hit:
>>
>>  https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/site-author/projects/river.xml
>>
>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/river/site/
>>
>> It looks to me as if the former is magically self-transforming into
>> HTML, and the later you modify, commit, build, and stick into the
>> right place in /www on people.apache.org.
>
> Does it now? I have been out of the loop for long, as we have "always"
> needed to both "build" the site-author with the build script in its
> parent directory as well as "publish" it to /www.
>
> It is also important to know that there can be substantial delays,
> since website is mirrored somehow.
>
>
> Cheers
> --
> Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
> http://www.qi4j.org - New Energy for Java
>
> I  live here; http://tinyurl.com/2qq9er
> I  work here; http://tinyurl.com/2ymelc
> I relax here; http://tinyurl.com/2cgsug
>

Re: River Status Update

[Benson Margulies]

I looked for a build script and didn't see it, but that's probably
because I'm an idiot.

On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 8:32 PM, Niclas Hedhman  wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Benson Margulies
>  wrote:
>> Two things to hit:
>>
>>  https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/site-author/projects/river.xml
>>
>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/river/site/
>>
>> It looks to me as if the former is magically self-transforming into
>> HTML, and the later you modify, commit, build, and stick into the
>> right place in /www on people.apache.org.
>
> Does it now? I have been out of the loop for long, as we have "always"
> needed to both "build" the site-author with the build script in its
> parent directory as well as "publish" it to /www.
>
> It is also important to know that there can be substantial delays,
> since website is mirrored somehow.
>
>
> Cheers
> --
> Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
> http://www.qi4j.org - New Energy for Java
>
> I  live here; http://tinyurl.com/2qq9er
> I  work here; http://tinyurl.com/2ymelc
> I relax here; http://tinyurl.com/2cgsug
>

Re: River Status Update

[Niclas Hedhman]

On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Benson Margulies
 wrote:
> Two things to hit:
>
>  https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/site-author/projects/river.xml
>
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/river/site/
>
> It looks to me as if the former is magically self-transforming into
> HTML, and the later you modify, commit, build, and stick into the
> right place in /www on people.apache.org.

Does it now? I have been out of the loop for long, as we have "always"
needed to both "build" the site-author with the build script in its
parent directory as well as "publish" it to /www.

It is also important to know that there can be substantial delays,
since website is mirrored somehow.


Cheers
-- 
Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
http://www.qi4j.org - New Energy for Java

I  live here; http://tinyurl.com/2qq9er
I  work here; http://tinyurl.com/2ymelc
I relax here; http://tinyurl.com/2cgsug

Re: River Status Update

[Benson Margulies]

Two things to hit:

 
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/site-author/projects/river.xml

http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/river/site/

It looks to me as if the former is magically self-transforming into
HTML, and the later you modify, commit, build, and stick into the
right place in /www on people.apache.org.


On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Tom Hobbs  wrote:
> As discussed, there's a blurb and the end of this email which I intend to
> (somehow) get onto the River main web page as a bit of an update.  Does
> anyone have any thoughts?  I've shamelessly enhanced (read: stolen) the
> contents of Peter's status email from Tue, 11 May 2010 "Goals & Future
> Roadmap".
>
> The list of Jira issues at the end is ordered by "last edited" according to
> the issue and was limited by my attention span looking through Jira.  Is
> there anything on there that shouldn't be?  What big ones did I miss?
>
> @Benson, is this this kind of thing you were talking about?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> River is starting to gain some momentum and is seeing increasing activity on
> it's developer mailing list. Lots of code and ideas are being thrown around
> with some interesting discussions and some great code being produced. Add a
> new Apache Mentor into the mix and the project is starting to look like it
> could shape up for graduation soon...
>
> Recent River event include:
>
> * River 2.1.2 has been released
> * New CodebaseAccessClassLoader and accociated changes submitted to svn
> (Thanks to Gregg Wonderly)
> * New StreamServiceRegistrar Interface and other additions proposed
> and submitted to svn
> * New ConcurrentDyamicPolicyProvider in svn
> * New RevokeablePolicy in svn
>
> New functionality and fixes in the pipeline include:
>
> * New Groovy Configuration System (Thanks to Dennis Reedy)
> * Fully functional ConcurrentDynamicPolicyProvider
> * Fully functional RevokeablePolicy
> * A StreamServiceRegistrar implementation
>
> Future Roadmap:
>
> * Integrate Jini Surrogate Architecture.
> * Apache River - Java CDC support for dynamic code downloading and Jini
> Services utilising a subset of Jini's API.
> * Apache River 2.2.0 Release, Scheduled for December.
> * Better "Getting starting" documentation for new River developers
> * Better resources for users of River (Thanks to Tim Blackman for
> Jini-in-a-Jar donation)
>
> River is actively looking for people who can help with the following areas:
>
>  * Revi1ew of patches waiting to be included into SVN, particularly
>      - River-345: SDM LookupCache multi-LUS stale proxy/discard problems (
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/RIVER-345)
>      - River-336: Jini should support platforms other than those with
> RMIClassLoader as the classloading control point. IDEs inparticular need
> help (https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/RIVER-336)
>      - River-313: Provide mechanism to swap in alternatives to Java DSL for
> service configuration (https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/RIVER-313)
>    * New feature functionality, particularly
>      - River-342: Jini in a Jar - some helpful utilities for newbie's (
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/RIVER-342)
>      - River-337: Attempted discard of unknown registrar kills
> LookupLocatorDiscovery thread (
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/RIVER-337)
>      - River-332: Use of Depreciated Interface java.rmi.server.RemoteCall (
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/RIVER-332)
>    * Updated documentation and tools for new River developers and
> developers using River
>

River Status Update

[Tom Hobbs]

As discussed, there's a blurb and the end of this email which I intend to
(somehow) get onto the River main web page as a bit of an update.  Does
anyone have any thoughts?  I've shamelessly enhanced (read: stolen) the
contents of Peter's status email from Tue, 11 May 2010 "Goals & Future
Roadmap".

The list of Jira issues at the end is ordered by "last edited" according to
the issue and was limited by my attention span looking through Jira.  Is
there anything on there that shouldn't be?  What big ones did I miss?

@Benson, is this this kind of thing you were talking about?

Cheers,

Tom



River is starting to gain some momentum and is seeing increasing activity on
it's developer mailing list. Lots of code and ideas are being thrown around
with some interesting discussions and some great code being produced. Add a
new Apache Mentor into the mix and the project is starting to look like it
could shape up for graduation soon...

Recent River event include:

* River 2.1.2 has been released
* New CodebaseAccessClassLoader and accociated changes submitted to svn
(Thanks to Gregg Wonderly)
* New StreamServiceRegistrar Interface and other additions proposed
and submitted to svn
* New ConcurrentDyamicPolicyProvider in svn
* New RevokeablePolicy in svn

New functionality and fixes in the pipeline include:

* New Groovy Configuration System (Thanks to Dennis Reedy)
* Fully functional ConcurrentDynamicPolicyProvider
* Fully functional RevokeablePolicy
* A StreamServiceRegistrar implementation

Future Roadmap:

* Integrate Jini Surrogate Architecture.
* Apache River - Java CDC support for dynamic code downloading and Jini
Services utilising a subset of Jini's API.
* Apache River 2.2.0 Release, Scheduled for December.
* Better "Getting starting" documentation for new River developers
* Better resources for users of River (Thanks to Tim Blackman for
Jini-in-a-Jar donation)

River is actively looking for people who can help with the following areas:

  * Revi1ew of patches waiting to be included into SVN, particularly
  - River-345: SDM LookupCache multi-LUS stale proxy/discard problems (
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/RIVER-345)
  - River-336: Jini should support platforms other than those with
RMIClassLoader as the classloading control point. IDEs inparticular need
help (https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/RIVER-336)
  - River-313: Provide mechanism to swap in alternatives to Java DSL for
service configuration (https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/RIVER-313)
* New feature functionality, particularly
  - River-342: Jini in a Jar - some helpful utilities for newbie's (
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/RIVER-342)
  - River-337: Attempted discard of unknown registrar kills
LookupLocatorDiscovery thread (
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/RIVER-337)
  - River-332: Use of Depreciated Interface java.rmi.server.RemoteCall (
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/RIVER-332)
* Updated documentation and tools for new River developers and
developers using River

Re: Status

[Patricia Shanahan]

I'll be happy to proof read to the best of my ability.

Patricia


On 8/22/2010 1:09 PM, Tom Hobbs wrote:

I can throw together some text for what's currently happening if someone
here can proof/correct it for me.

I may not be contributing to the security and SDM conversations, but
still reading them!

I'm looking here, http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html, for
instructions on how to build the website. I'll do my best not to break
anything!

Cheers,

Tom


On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 01:13:05 +0100, Benson Margulies
 wrote:


Looking at http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html, I see that River
could use an update published on the web site. Anyone game?

Re: Status

[Benson Margulies]

If you break it, we'll fix it. Better to take a run at it.

THANK YOU

On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Tom Hobbs  wrote:
> I can throw together some text for what's currently happening if someone
> here can proof/correct it for me.
>
> I may not be contributing to the security and SDM conversations, but still
> reading them!
>
> I'm looking here, http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html, for
> instructions on how to build the website.  I'll do my best not to break
> anything!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tom
>
>
> On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 01:13:05 +0100, Benson Margulies 
> wrote:
>
>> Looking at http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html, I see that River
>> could use an update published on the web site. Anyone game?
>
>
> --
> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
>

Re: Status

[Tom Hobbs]

I can throw together some text for what's currently happening if someone  
here can proof/correct it for me.


I may not be contributing to the security and SDM conversations, but still  
reading them!


I'm looking here, http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html, for  
instructions on how to build the website.  I'll do my best not to break  
anything!


Cheers,

Tom


On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 01:13:05 +0100, Benson Margulies  
 wrote:



Looking at http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html, I see that River
could use an update published on the web site. Anyone game?



--
Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

A further nag on the status page

[Benson Margulies]

Other than the lack of overall status since 2007, I can see at least
one person who is a committer who isn't listed there, based on commit
email.

Status

[Benson Margulies]

Looking at http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html, I see that River
could use an update published on the web site. Anyone game?

Re: River Project Incubation Status page

[Jim Hurley]

On Jan 14, 2008, at 5:17 PM, Mark Brouwer wrote:

:
I also see the Apache River site now represents the exported  
Confluence

space for River, great. Is there a particular reason the redirect is
there, I noticed another Incubator project based on Confluence
(http://incubator.apache.org/cxf/) doesn't have the infamous Atlassian
mainframe style identifiers (RIVER) in its URL ;-)



Hi Mark-

I believe we'll be able to edit this -- I was trying to follow some  
instructions
(on http://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/ ) to set things up, and it turned  
out this
way.  I'm obviously new at this and stumbling along... so various odd  
states

in time should be expected ;-)

-Jim

Re: River Project Incubation Status page

[Craig L Russell]

Hi Mark,

On Jan 14, 2008, at 2:17 PM, Mark Brouwer wrote:


Hi Craig,

Craig L Russell wrote:


Hi Jim,

Do you want to update that page or do you want to have the River  
project site replaced by the Confluence one?

This is the status page for River.
The River web site is located at http://incubator.apache.org/river/ 
RIVER/index.html (redirected from http://incubator.apache.org/ 
river/index.html).


Sorry for waisting bandwidth, I should have clicked the link before
replying.

I also see the Apache River site now represents the exported  
Confluence

space for River, great. Is there a particular reason the redirect is
there, I noticed another Incubator project based on Confluence
(http://incubator.apache.org/cxf/) doesn't have the infamous Atlassian
mainframe style identifiers (RIVER) in its URL ;-)


I don't know the reason for this. The site is pretty new; might just  
be a setup question.


Craig


--
Mark



Craig Russell
Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo
408 276-5638 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!



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Re: River Project Incubation Status page

[Mark Brouwer]

Hi Craig,

Craig L Russell wrote:


Hi Jim,

Do you want to update that page or do you want to have the River 
project site replaced by the Confluence one?


This is the status page for River.

The River web site is located at 
http://incubator.apache.org/river/RIVER/index.html (redirected from 
http://incubator.apache.org/river/index.html).


Sorry for waisting bandwidth, I should have clicked the link before
replying.

I also see the Apache River site now represents the exported Confluence
space for River, great. Is there a particular reason the redirect is
there, I noticed another Incubator project based on Confluence
(http://incubator.apache.org/cxf/) doesn't have the infamous Atlassian
mainframe style identifiers (RIVER) in its URL ;-)
--
Mark

Re: River Project Incubation Status page

[Jim Hurley]

Yep - thanks everyone.  I knew what it was for... just didn't know
where it lived or how to change it.  Thanks.

-Jim


On Jan 14, 2008, at 2:07 PM, Craig L Russell wrote:

Hi Mark,

On Jan 14, 2008, at 10:33 AM, Mark Brouwer wrote:


Jim Hurley wrote:

Does anyone know how to update this page:
   <http://incubator.apache.org/projects/river.html>


Hi Jim,

Do you want to update that page or do you want to have the River  
project site replaced by the Confluence one?


This is the status page for River.

The River web site is located at http://incubator.apache.org/river/RIVER/index.html 
 (redirected from http://incubator.apache.org/river/index.html).


Craig


--
Mark


Craig Russell
Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo
408 276-5638 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!

Re: River Project Incubation Status page

[Craig L Russell]

Hi Mark,

On Jan 14, 2008, at 10:33 AM, Mark Brouwer wrote:


Jim Hurley wrote:

Does anyone know how to update this page:
<http://incubator.apache.org/projects/river.html>


Hi Jim,

Do you want to update that page or do you want to have the River  
project site replaced by the Confluence one?


This is the status page for River.

The River web site is located at http://incubator.apache.org/river/ 
RIVER/index.html (redirected from http://incubator.apache.org/river/ 
index.html).


Craig


--
Mark


Craig Russell
Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo
408 276-5638 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!



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Re: River Project Incubation Status page

[Robert Burrell Donkin]

On Jan 14, 2008 6:33 PM, Mark Brouwer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jim Hurley wrote:
> > Does anyone know how to update this page:
> > <http://incubator.apache.org/projects/river.html>
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> Do you want to update that page or do you want to have the River project
> site replaced by the Confluence one?

the project status page is part of the incubator documentation set

- robert

Re: River Project Incubation Status page

[Mark Brouwer]

Jim Hurley wrote:

Does anyone know how to update this page:



Hi Jim,

Do you want to update that page or do you want to have the River project 
site replaced by the Confluence one?

--
Mark

Re: River Project Incubation Status page

[Craig L Russell]

Hi,

The process to update any of the web content in the incubator is  
documented.


Google "incubator web site update" and find this about four lines down:
Updating the top-level Incubator website - Apache Incubator
To update the website, the "incubator/site-publish" SVN directory is  
checked-out on the apache.org web server. ssh people.apache.org ...

incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html - 14k - Cached - Similar pages

If you're not able to commit changes, make a patch (or ask your  
mentor to do it).


Craig

On Jan 14, 2008, at 7:46 AM, Frank Barnaby wrote:


It appears to be located on people.apache.org at:

/www/incubator.apache.org/projects/river.html


Frank



On Jan 14, 2008, at 08:54, Jim Hurley wrote:


Does anyone know how to update this page:
   


thanks -Jim




Craig Russell
Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo
408 276-5638 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!



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Re: River Project Incubation Status page

[Robert Burrell Donkin]

On Jan 14, 2008 3:46 PM, Frank Barnaby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It appears to be located on people.apache.org at:
>
> /www/incubator.apache.org/projects/river.html

the status page is part of the incubator website. the source is at
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/.
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html is patchy in quality
but should be of some help.

- robert

Re: River Project Incubation Status page

[Frank Barnaby]

It appears to be located on people.apache.org at:

/www/incubator.apache.org/projects/river.html


Frank



On Jan 14, 2008, at 08:54, Jim Hurley wrote:


Does anyone know how to update this page:
   


thanks -Jim

River Project Incubation Status page

[Jim Hurley]

Does anyone know how to update this page:



thanks -Jim

RE: Project status...noticed something in the docs for AR1 said to write to this list to find out more.

[Mike Francis]

Wade

How about best of two of those worlds, Jini & OSGi? The Newton open source
project (www.codecauldron.org) fuses OSGi & Jini together.

There is a commercial product too called Infiniflow (www.paremus.com).

Regards
Mike (Paremus)

-Original Message-
From: Wade Chandler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 12 December 2007 18:07
To: river-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Project status...noticed something in the docs for AR1 said to
write to this list to find out more.

Hey all,

Can anyone point me to a road map with information, or can anyone give me a
rundown of the River project status and future plans? Is it still being
developed? Any other information? I'm looking over it, and am trying to
figure out what would be best to use between it, OSGi, and the NB Module
System to embed in either a web application or as a separate server and
service which can support hot pluggable and discoverable services which I
can use and also easily find out about. 

I know in NB I could use the Lookup service, and depending on the design of
the services and modules I can house them and hot update them, and I could
embed other things such as AXIS to provide a mechanism for remote
connectivity, but this says nothing for clustering or scalability. Same
problem with OSGi in that regard. They are more module type systems which
support services internally, but are not designed to be scalable in the
networked sense.

If I can get something going with JINI I would certainly be interested in
helping on the project and contributing. I just need a little guidance. Am I
clear enough in what I want to do for someone to know if it is possible to
do this with JINI at the moment? 

Basically, I have a set of data services provided through a standardized
small set of web services which allow the data service name to be provided
along with parameters, and they generate at times very large
documentsquarter GB or more, and I return them as attachments. Zipped
these files are much smaller though.

 Anyways, the point is I would like to make this system more scalable than
standard web services, and more simple to manage. I can install services in
the backend etc, but this does nothing for scalable discoverability (JINI
join I assume) nor scalable network services in that I install a data
service and it tells the rest of the group about itself so I can make calls
to this service. It would even be nice to have the ability to have this
service be able to live in multiple containers, them be called at different
times for the same service, and them just scale and play well together much
like clustering Tomcat instances and the way it handles calls to the web
application.

So, in short, looking for the project status, some guidance, and I'm
interested in contributing if I can make it a win win situation: I work on
it, and use it.

Thanks,

Wade
 
==
Wade Chandler, CCE
Software Engineer and Developer, Certified Forensic Computer Examiner,
NetBeans Dream Team Member, and NetBeans Board Member
http://www.certified-computer-examiner.com
http://wiki.netbeans.org/wiki/view/NetBeansDreamTeam
http://www.netbeans.org



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Re: Project status...noticed something in the docs for AR1 said to write to this list to find out more.

[Greg Trasuk]

Wade:

See comments interspersed below.

Cheers,

Greg.

On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 13:07, Wade Chandler wrote:
> Hey all,
> 
> Can anyone point me to a road map with information, or can anyone give me a 
> rundown of the River project status and future plans? Is it still being 
> developed? Any other information? I'm looking over it, and am trying to 
> figure out what would be best to use between it, OSGi, and the NB Module 
> System to embed in either a web application or as a separate server and 
> service which can support hot pluggable and discoverable services which I can 
> use and also easily find out about. 
> 
> I know in NB I could use the Lookup service, and depending on the design of 
> the services and modules I can house them and hot update them, and I could 
> embed other things such as AXIS to provide a mechanism for remote 
> connectivity, but this says nothing for clustering or scalability.

I haven't looked all that closely at the Netbeans module system/Lookup
service, but when I took a quick look I thought it bore a lot of
similarities to the Jini way, so I suspect you'll pick up Jini fairly
quickly.

>  Same problem with OSGi in that regard. They are more module type systems 
> which support services internally, but are not designed to be scalable in the 
> networked sense.

Exactly.  They don't address distributed computing issues like partial,
temporary failure and dynamic service deployment and discovery.

> 
> If I can get something going with JINI I would certainly be interested in 
> helping on the project and contributing. I just need a little guidance. Am I 
> clear enough in what I want to do for someone to know if it is possible to do 
> this with JINI at the moment? 
> 
> Basically, I have a set of data services provided through a standardized 
> small set of web services which allow the data service name to be provided 
> along with parameters, and they generate at times very large 
> documentsquarter GB or more, and I return them as attachments. Zipped 
> these files are much smaller though.
> 
>  Anyways, the point is I would like to make this system more scalable than 
> standard web services, and more simple to manage. I can install services in 
> the backend etc, but this does nothing for scalable discoverability (JINI 
> join I assume) nor scalable network services in that I install a data service 
> and it tells the rest of the group about itself so I can make calls to this 
> service. It would even be nice to have the ability to have this service be 
> able to live in multiple containers, them be called at different times for 
> the same service, and them just scale and play well together much like 
> clustering Tomcat instances and the way it handles calls to the web 
> application.
> 
> So, in short, looking for the project status, some guidance, and I'm 
> interested in contributing if I can make it a win win situation: I work on 
> it, and use it.
> 

I've used Jini and Javaspaces in a similar application, to build a
data-flow-based data analysis system integrating data from several
dissimilar sources.  It's a good application for Jini.  I put together a
simple framework for scatter/gather processing and routing.  It's not
really in a state fit to publish as yet, and may never be, but feel free
to email me off-list if you'd like more info.  There are also a couple
of Jini-based grid frameworks out there.

Jini/River is alive and well.  Perhaps suffering from some inertia, but
certainly not in limbo.

> Thanks,
> 
> Wade
>  
> ==
> Wade Chandler, CCE
> Software Engineer and Developer, Certified Forensic Computer Examiner, 
> NetBeans Dream Team Member, and NetBeans Board Member
> http://www.certified-computer-examiner.com
> http://wiki.netbeans.org/wiki/view/NetBeansDreamTeam
> http://www.netbeans.org
-- 
Greg Trasuk, President
StratusCom Manufacturing Systems Inc. - We use information technology to
solve business problems on your plant floor.
http://stratuscom.com

Project status...noticed something in the docs for AR1 said to write to this list to find out more.

[Wade Chandler]

Hey all,

Can anyone point me to a road map with information, or can anyone give me a 
rundown of the River project status and future plans? Is it still being 
developed? Any other information? I'm looking over it, and am trying to figure 
out what would be best to use between it, OSGi, and the NB Module System to 
embed in either a web application or as a separate server and service which can 
support hot pluggable and discoverable services which I can use and also easily 
find out about. 

I know in NB I could use the Lookup service, and depending on the design of the 
services and modules I can house them and hot update them, and I could embed 
other things such as AXIS to provide a mechanism for remote connectivity, but 
this says nothing for clustering or scalability. Same problem with OSGi in that 
regard. They are more module type systems which support services internally, 
but are not designed to be scalable in the networked sense.

If I can get something going with JINI I would certainly be interested in 
helping on the project and contributing. I just need a little guidance. Am I 
clear enough in what I want to do for someone to know if it is possible to do 
this with JINI at the moment? 

Basically, I have a set of data services provided through a standardized small 
set of web services which allow the data service name to be provided along with 
parameters, and they generate at times very large documentsquarter GB or 
more, and I return them as attachments. Zipped these files are much smaller 
though.

 Anyways, the point is I would like to make this system more scalable than 
standard web services, and more simple to manage. I can install services in the 
backend etc, but this does nothing for scalable discoverability (JINI join I 
assume) nor scalable network services in that I install a data service and it 
tells the rest of the group about itself so I can make calls to this service. 
It would even be nice to have the ability to have this service be able to live 
in multiple containers, them be called at different times for the same service, 
and them just scale and play well together much like clustering Tomcat 
instances and the way it handles calls to the web application.

So, in short, looking for the project status, some guidance, and I'm interested 
in contributing if I can make it a win win situation: I work on it, and use it.

Thanks,

Wade
 
==
Wade Chandler, CCE
Software Engineer and Developer, Certified Forensic Computer Examiner, NetBeans 
Dream Team Member, and NetBeans Board Member
http://www.certified-computer-examiner.com
http://wiki.netbeans.org/wiki/view/NetBeansDreamTeam
http://www.netbeans.org

issue import -- status update

[Jim Hurley]

Based on the "initial issue list", we have a couple folks
who have a few more issues to import -- but we're in
pretty good shape.  Thanks to everyone for taking the
time to do the import.

I've combed back through every Jini issue to make
sure we've got them all covered, and there are 44 issues
left to import.  Unfortunately, all of them have some piece
of information in them that is not available through the
Sun public bug interface, so someone from Sun will have
to do the import.  We'll try and get those completed within
the next two or three days.

There are also 32 additional issues I've marked to 'not
import at this time'.  They are install -related (the previous
starter kit installer used third party code, so we stripped it
out when we did the initial svn import), test -related, etc.
We'll come back around to these at some point and determine
what should be imported.  Just to clarify - there's nothing to
hide here and I'd be glad to post that list to river-dev... it just
didn't seem that useful right now.

Besides this issue importing -- I'd like to resurrect the
planning discussion (roadmap, etc)... but give me a day
or two to post some some more specific thoughts on that.

thanks -Jim

River status update

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

Short status update:

The river-private list has now been updated to contain all the River
committers who together with the mentors form the River PPMC. Note
that the private list is only for private issues like personnel
changes; all other project discussions should take place on the public
mailing lists.

I have joined the project as an official mentor based on support from
you and the Incubator PMC.

The River status page at
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/river.html has been updated to
reflect the current status. (Note that it takes a few hours for the
public web site to be updated.)

We are due for the next incubator board report by June 13th. I hope we
can get some of the code from Sun also included in svn by that time.

BR,

Jukka Zitting