Hi, Hugh,
Thank you for your response.
I would appreciate your clarifications on some of the points you made.
1. Business Users versus Business Modelers. Looks like you use these terms
interchangeably. Usually they represent opposite sides of the spectrum.
Contemporary view is that Business Users don't use modeling tools (leaving
it to professionals - Business Modelers / Analysts). What Business Users do
care about is output of these tools that Business Modelers produce
(diagrams, models, etc). Because of that, I think discussion of which tool
easier to use is secondary compare to the discussion of what types of
diagrams each tool can and can't produce. The problem, from the Business
Analysts standpoint, would be that they couldn't express something or do
something using a certain tool, rather than that this tool is hard to use
(we are professionals, after all and should be able to put a nail into the
board with any hammer that happened to be in our hands J).
2. Which of the diagrams that you named could NOT be, by your opinion,
re-produced with Rational Rose (I am very curious here):
Organization Chart
Business Interaction Model
Goal Model
Workflow Model
3. When you have mentioned an addition of a "new dimension to what Rose
offers", did you imply that UML is not sufficient for Business modeling? Or
that Rose does not implement UML to its full specification?
Regards,
David Lyalin
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From: Hugh Mensch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 10:32 AM
To: Lyalin, David S.
Subject: RE: (ROSE) Business Modeling: Proforma's ProVision Workbench
versus Rational Rose - A reply from Proforma
Hi, David,
Thanks for the quick response. I, too, would welcome other opinions on this
topic. You raised an interesting point about the items that are not easily
modeled in Rose.
First, I assume you are more sophisticated than most business users. Most
business modelers who do not care about application development, struggle
when trying to use Rose. ProVision was built using the MS Office paradigm
so it would be intuitive for Office users.
ProVision offers several model types for the business user. These include
the Organization Chart, the Business Interaction Model (which shows
high-level interactions among people or oganizations), the Goal Model (which
allows you to document goals and assign them to organizations or
activities), and the very popular Workflow Model (similar to an activity
diagram, but having the ability to capture costs, timing, goals,
opportunities and more). These models are all related and easy to build and
understand. The Workflow Model can be nested to show lower levels of
detail. It is the basis for simulation. One can also attach both Use Cases
and Class Diagrams to the Workflow Model, thus tying these models more
directly to the business processes which they are to support.
We believe that these models add a new dimension to what Rose offers.
Best regards,
Hugh Mensch
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From: Lyalin, David S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 10:06 AM
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Cc: Lyalin, David S.
Subject: FW: (ROSE) Business Modeling: Proforma's ProVision Workbench
versus Rational Rose - A reply from Proforma
Hello, Hugh,
Thank you for sharing with me the information regarding Proforma's ProVision
modeling tool. The tool itself and your explanations about its positioning
in the overall market and, specifically, its positioning in relation to
Rational's Rose product look interesting and solid.
At the same time your thoughts about Rational Rose modeling tool differs
from the view that Rational Corporation presents at its web site:
"Rational Rose software is the world's leading visual modeling tool.
Business analysts can use Rational Rose to model and visualize business
processes and highlight opportunities to increase efficiency. Data analysts
can model databases design in Rational Rose, improving their communication
with developers. And when you model use cases in Rational Rose, you can be
sure your solution is being built for the user. Rational Rose unifies
business, systems and data analysts by enabling them to create and manage
models in one tool with one modeling language".
Based on my experience, I don't see what business modeling tasks could NOT
be performed or what types of business models could NOT be build with
Rational Rose modeling tool, except for BP simulation.
As a Consultant for one of the Fortune 100 companies and for one of the
Federal Government agencies that use Rational tools extensively, I am deeply
interested in this subject and would appreciate opinions on this topic from
Rose forum participants and would welcome a response from Rational Corp.
Thank you.
David Lyalin
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