Re: [Rosegarden-user] LV2... Why?

2020-03-13 Thread Demonic Sweaters

Chiming in as well,

There's a few points I've read in this list that I wanted to respond to.

1. nobody uses rosegarden for audio - I actually have, and do, several 
songs have even been released on some albums of mine recorded this way. 
Sure, it's not the most fully featured for audio, but I've made it work. 
Also when using midi hardware with Rosegarden, it's great to be able to 
pipe the audio back into the project and record as a way to 'freeze' the 
track.


2. audio plugins useless for midi - I don't agree here either, because 
of the reasons above, and many times I will use audio reverbs, delays, 
ect... on midi instruments if they're available.


3. Everyone uses Ardour - I don't think so. Myself and many others don't 
really care for it's UI and don't even see it as one of the top 3 
options in Linux. I prefer, Reaper, Qtractor, and Rosegarden.


4. Lastly, LV2 - Well personally I think LinuxVST would be a far better 
way to go if anything, but since VST is a Steinberg tech, maybe you guys 
wouldn't want to go that way. LV2, is a good second choice. I never use 
DSSI except occasionally Hexter.


Best,

Justin

www.demonicsweaters.com


On 3/13/20 7:26 AM, r...@hydrophones.com wrote:

Hi all,

Just my two cents.  We use Rosegarden regularly for the creation of video,
game, and museum display, soundtracks.

We don't use LV2 plugins, and very seldom use any plugins at all.

I, personally, would prefer if Rosegarden interfaced better with Jack/MIDI
and the like as most of the synthesis we do is on other machines, often
using NETJACK in one form or another.  Work arounds exist, but they are
cumbersome and annoying.

I'm sorry that I don't contribute as much technically, and otherwise, to
the project than I used to, but my company is still a heavy Rosegarden
user and we can contribute significant resources if need be.

Best regards,

Richard A. Marschall, Ph.D.
Director, Engineering
Marschall Acoustics Instruments P/L

r...@hydrophones.com





On 3/11/20 11:43 PM, Ted Felix wrote:

    Just wondering why folks want LV2 support.  Not that I'll ever get
to
it, but some justification will help focus the effort.  Thanks.

I've been ignoring the issue for quite a few years, but I spent some
time today looking at what lv2 is, what plugins are out there, what
supports them, etc., and I have to say I wouldn't mind trying some of
those out.

One of the biggest problems I can imagine is that lv2 can be the
equivalent of either LADSPA or DSSI, or maybe even both in one (I didn't
dive that deeply). Chris Cannam was one of the original creators of
DSSI, and Rosegarden was one of the original hosts. There's a pretty
clear divide between "audio plugin" and "synth plugin" in Rosegarden,
although under the hood they do have significant redundancy, if not
actual overlap (and I'm not sure which, as I haven't been in that code
in eons). That might make things tricky.

Finally, there's the real question of who would use it. Synth plugins
are arguably useful to Rosegarden users, but audio plugins are pretty
irrelevant except in connection with synth plugins. Nobody uses the
audio features. I would have tried if I had been able to get my audio
rack to work with Linux, but I would have ended up having to use
something more robust myself. Rosegarden is missing a lot of
functionality, and the Linux audio community is totally dominated by
Ardour, so even if we built it, nobody would use it. If we were doing
Rosegarden from scratch, there would just be no point in including audio
features at all.

So I come down as kind of meh on the whole thing. It would be neat to
play with if it doesn't require massive investment of effort on your
part, but the reality is you're probably going to see really limited
returns from the community. If you build it, they might come, or they
might just yawn.

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D. Michael McIntyre


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] LV2... Why?

2020-03-13 Thread Will Godfrey
Just adding my take on the audio front.

I frequently collaborate with people who send me audio guitar and/or vocal
tracks. I load these into Rosegarden, then produce MIDI tracks to make my
additions. On very rare occasion I'll do some processing of the audio with
plugins in Rosegarden, but I prefer to pre-process externally, usually
with Audacity.

Once I have a project complete, I'll then play the audio from Rosegarden into
Audacity in parallel with audio from Yoshimi to produce the complete stereo
track. Finally, in Audacity, I'll trim start and end, and maybe run the fast
lookahead limiter and set the overall level.

For anyone interested below is a typical example from some years back. Vocal and
guitar is from Ged, the rest is Yoshimi.

https://soundcloud.com/soft-sounds/scarborough-fair-feat-rustysrtingz

-- 
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] LV2... Why?

2020-03-13 Thread ram
Hi all,

Just my two cents.  We use Rosegarden regularly for the creation of video,
game, and museum display, soundtracks.

We don't use LV2 plugins, and very seldom use any plugins at all.

I, personally, would prefer if Rosegarden interfaced better with Jack/MIDI
and the like as most of the synthesis we do is on other machines, often
using NETJACK in one form or another.  Work arounds exist, but they are
cumbersome and annoying.

I'm sorry that I don't contribute as much technically, and otherwise, to
the project than I used to, but my company is still a heavy Rosegarden
user and we can contribute significant resources if need be.

Best regards,

Richard A. Marschall, Ph.D.
Director, Engineering
Marschall Acoustics Instruments P/L

r...@hydrophones.com




> On 3/11/20 11:43 PM, Ted Felix wrote:
>>    Just wondering why folks want LV2 support.  Not that I'll ever get
>> to
>> it, but some justification will help focus the effort.  Thanks.
>
> I've been ignoring the issue for quite a few years, but I spent some
> time today looking at what lv2 is, what plugins are out there, what
> supports them, etc., and I have to say I wouldn't mind trying some of
> those out.
>
> One of the biggest problems I can imagine is that lv2 can be the
> equivalent of either LADSPA or DSSI, or maybe even both in one (I didn't
> dive that deeply). Chris Cannam was one of the original creators of
> DSSI, and Rosegarden was one of the original hosts. There's a pretty
> clear divide between "audio plugin" and "synth plugin" in Rosegarden,
> although under the hood they do have significant redundancy, if not
> actual overlap (and I'm not sure which, as I haven't been in that code
> in eons). That might make things tricky.
>
> Finally, there's the real question of who would use it. Synth plugins
> are arguably useful to Rosegarden users, but audio plugins are pretty
> irrelevant except in connection with synth plugins. Nobody uses the
> audio features. I would have tried if I had been able to get my audio
> rack to work with Linux, but I would have ended up having to use
> something more robust myself. Rosegarden is missing a lot of
> functionality, and the Linux audio community is totally dominated by
> Ardour, so even if we built it, nobody would use it. If we were doing
> Rosegarden from scratch, there would just be no point in including audio
> features at all.
>
> So I come down as kind of meh on the whole thing. It would be neat to
> play with if it doesn't require massive investment of effort on your
> part, but the reality is you're probably going to see really limited
> returns from the community. If you build it, they might come, or they
> might just yawn.
>
> --
> D. Michael McIntyre
>
>
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] LV2... Why?

2020-03-13 Thread D. Michael McIntyre

On 3/11/20 11:43 PM, Ted Felix wrote:
   Just wondering why folks want LV2 support.  Not that I'll ever get to 
it, but some justification will help focus the effort.  Thanks.


I've been ignoring the issue for quite a few years, but I spent some 
time today looking at what lv2 is, what plugins are out there, what 
supports them, etc., and I have to say I wouldn't mind trying some of 
those out.


One of the biggest problems I can imagine is that lv2 can be the 
equivalent of either LADSPA or DSSI, or maybe even both in one (I didn't 
dive that deeply). Chris Cannam was one of the original creators of 
DSSI, and Rosegarden was one of the original hosts. There's a pretty 
clear divide between "audio plugin" and "synth plugin" in Rosegarden, 
although under the hood they do have significant redundancy, if not 
actual overlap (and I'm not sure which, as I haven't been in that code 
in eons). That might make things tricky.


Finally, there's the real question of who would use it. Synth plugins 
are arguably useful to Rosegarden users, but audio plugins are pretty 
irrelevant except in connection with synth plugins. Nobody uses the 
audio features. I would have tried if I had been able to get my audio 
rack to work with Linux, but I would have ended up having to use 
something more robust myself. Rosegarden is missing a lot of 
functionality, and the Linux audio community is totally dominated by 
Ardour, so even if we built it, nobody would use it. If we were doing 
Rosegarden from scratch, there would just be no point in including audio 
features at all.


So I come down as kind of meh on the whole thing. It would be neat to 
play with if it doesn't require massive investment of effort on your 
part, but the reality is you're probably going to see really limited 
returns from the community. If you build it, they might come, or they 
might just yawn.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] LV2... Why?

2020-03-13 Thread ram
Yeah, I do something similar.  I record the raw audio tracks with Rosegarden
and then when I have all the tracks (and then some), I pull them into
Audacity for editing, mixing, and processing.  Outputs are usually stereo,
5.1, and 7.1 flac files to be merged with video.

I use a Linux cluster and quite a bit of external MIDI gear.  Jack, MIDI,
and Netjack interfacing are important to my uses.


> Just adding my take on the audio front.
>
> I frequently collaborate with people who send me audio guitar and/or vocal
> tracks. I load these into Rosegarden, then produce MIDI tracks to make my
> additions. On very rare occasion I'll do some processing of the audio with
> plugins in Rosegarden, but I prefer to pre-process externally, usually
> with Audacity.
>
> Once I have a project complete, I'll then play the audio from Rosegarden
> into
> Audacity in parallel with audio from Yoshimi to produce the complete
> stereo
> track. Finally, in Audacity, I'll trim start and end, and maybe run the
> fast
> lookahead limiter and set the overall level.
>
> For anyone interested below is a typical example from some years back.
> Vocal and
> guitar is from Ged, the rest is Yoshimi.
>
> https://soundcloud.com/soft-sounds/scarborough-fair-feat-rustysrtingz
>
> --
> Will J Godfrey
> http://www.musically.me.uk
> Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
> Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
>
>
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