Re: [Rosegarden-user] Guitar notation vs. sound

2012-09-24 Thread Michael Gerdau
  Isn't that basically asking for a free lunch ?

 Isn't everything in the open source world?

You think so ?

I clearly differ. For me it has to do with rights, knowledge and being
in control, at least potentially.

Just an example:
Logic Studio is sold for 149 € in Apple's App store. Featurewise it is
several generations ahead of Rosegarden and in many aspects of Ardour as
well although Ardour delivers a couple of really nice things.

When you shell out your 149 € you have a full featured music production
and performing system with a bunch of very nice soft instruments. For
me it runs out of the box. No such thing as incompatible this and missing
that. Yes, I can reliably crash Logic. Yes, you need a Mac to run it (but
you can as well put Linux on that box - them Retina Displays are really
nice... ;)

To sum it up:
From a feature and time invested to get it working point of view I have
yet to find an open source product that is even remotely in the same
league as programs like Logic (and I assume all of Logic's commercial
competitors).

  And as an afterthought:
  If a guitar player wishes to play around with arbitrarily pitched
  strings
  he should transpose it himself. He'll learn something that way. Or even
  learn to transpose on the fly. Not that I'd consider that more useful
  than properly mastering the instrument in the first place.

 Part of the reason popular music is so popular is because people who
 don't spend a vast chunk of their lives mastering rigid rules can have
 fun making noise.  I find it a lot more relaxing than trying to do
 anything the correct way.

Again:
You think so ?

It is my impression that the truely successful popular music is mostly
written AND performed by musicians that have learned things the
correct way (as you put it).

This even goes for musicians that never had proper teaching but instead
spent hour by hour learning their instrument on their own for many years.
A couple of guitar heros fall into this category.

I also think some of the stuff that's created by music illiterates
the easy way might be commercially successful at least for a short
period of time but it is not lasting in any way.

I'm aware this is a requirement that might not fit with some other's.

Again just my 0.02 €, best wishes,
Michael
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Guitar notation vs. sound

2012-09-24 Thread Johan Vromans
r...@hydrophones.com writes:

 Is now the time to point out many people play guitar with alternative
 tunings?  I know I do, it makes it MUCH easier.  Notice how many
 performers keep switching guitars between songs, that is probably because
 the guitars are tuned differently - i.e. to make the song easy to play.

Sometimes, but not often.

To be more precise: I estimate 90% of the guitar players to play in the
standard tuning. Professionals often change guitars due to the specific
sound (e.g., acoustig, electical, nylon versus steel versus phosphor,
jazz-guitar versus country guitar, fender versus gibson), technical
issues (e.g., piezo versus soundhole element, single coil versus
humbucker) and not in the least, the playability of a specific piece on
a specific guitar (e.g., small versus wide neck, cut away).

Of the guitarists I've seen playing with differing tunings, most played
in DADGAD and switched guitars for the exactly the same reasons as
mentioned above.

Only very few did change guitars because of the tuning. Most of them
just retune on stage.

Of course, I've seen only a limited number of guitarists...

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Guitar notation vs. sound

2012-09-24 Thread Richard Bown
On 24 Sep 2012, at 12:56, Johan Vromans jvrom...@squirrel.nl wrote:

 Of course, I've seen only a limited number of guitarists...

I think it's safe to say N guitarists = at least N+1 opinions.  I have some too 
of course but I'm keeping schtum.

R
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Guitar notation vs. sound

2012-09-24 Thread Abrolag
On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 09:32:13 -1000
david gn...@hawaii.rr.com wrote:

 On 09/20/2012 08:06 AM, Stephen H. Dawson wrote:
 
  How many guitarist does it take to change a light-bulb?
  2.  1 to do it, the other to explain how much better they could have
  done it.   ;-)
 
 And two more guitarists to explain how much better it would have sounded 
 if they'd used a custom-wound pickup coil or a different setting on 
 their effects pedal or ran the output through this model amp instead of 
 that model amp.
 
 My guitarist thinks an arpeggio is a synthesizer effect. ;-)


Guitarists are like cats.
They can never be truly domesticated.


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http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Guitar notation vs. sound

2012-09-24 Thread Richard Bown
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Abrolag abro...@users.sourceforge.netwrote:

 On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 09:32:13 -1000
 david gn...@hawaii.rr.com wrote:

 Guitarists are like cats.


Does this mean that managing software developers is like herding guitarists?

R
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Guitar notation vs. sound

2012-09-24 Thread gnome
Leo Kottke travels with a huge pile of acoustic guitars for 2 reasons. One is 
he uses a lot of different open tunings. The other is that when a guitar goes 
out of tune, he swaps it for another guitar while an assistant off-stage 
retunes the first guitar.

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 Michael Gerdau m...@qata.de wrote: 
  Is now the time to point out many people play guitar with alternative
  tunings?  I know I do, it makes it MUCH easier.  Notice how many
  performers keep switching guitars between songs, that is probably because
  the guitars are tuned differently - i.e. to make the song easy to play.
 
 And I had thought that's because a Gibson sounds different than a
 Stratocaster than a Les Paul than an accoustic guitar than a 12 string
 guitar...
 
 Pls forgive my ignorance. Again learned something new...
 
 Best wishes,
 Michael
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Guitar notation vs. sound

2012-09-24 Thread gnome
 Abrolag abro...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: 
 On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 09:32:13 -1000
 david gn...@hawaii.rr.com wrote:
 
  On 09/20/2012 08:06 AM, Stephen H. Dawson wrote:
  
   How many guitarist does it take to change a light-bulb?
   2.  1 to do it, the other to explain how much better they could have
   done it.   ;-)
  
  And two more guitarists to explain how much better it would have sounded 
  if they'd used a custom-wound pickup coil or a different setting on 
  their effects pedal or ran the output through this model amp instead of 
  that model amp.
  
  My guitarist thinks an arpeggio is a synthesizer effect. ;-)
 
 
 Guitarists are like cats.
 They can never be truly domesticated.

Or herded.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Guitar notation vs. sound

2012-09-24 Thread david
On 09/24/2012 07:31 AM, Richard Bown wrote:
 On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Abrolag wrote:

 On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 09:32:13 -1000
 david wrote:

 Guitarists are like cats.

 Does this mean that managing software developers is like herding guitarists?

 R

I've always left the task of managing software developers up to project 
managers. I believe they've received gene mods and biotech implants 
developed for that specific task.

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