Re: [Rosegarden-user] "Can't load Hydrogen file. It appears to be corrupt"

2013-03-03 Thread D. Michael McIntyre
On 03/03/2013 12:25 PM, Andrew wrote:

> Only if "Cut it loose" doesn't mean forfeiting even a modicum of ambition.

I haven't investigated or made that determination yet.  I have a modicum 
of ambition, but only just.

As far as Rosegarden and its full potential, that's more up to the 
community than it is to me personally.  My interest peaked and started 
waning a long time ago, and I'm just kind of here to support anybody 
else who feels like getting involved with writing code and making things 
happen.
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] "Can't load Hydrogen file. It appears to be corrupt"

2013-03-03 Thread Andrew
On Sat, Mar 02, 2013 at 05:26:01AM -0500, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
> On 03/01/2013 05:37 PM, David Tisdell wrote:
> 
> > I think that feature has been broken for a long time. I posted about
> > that quite a while ago and was told by Michael that the person who
> > created that feature has been gone from Rosegarden for a long time.
> 
> Very true.  If we actually get it working as well as it did the last 
> time I used it, it's still a dubious feature.  It hasn't been touched in 
> maybe seven years?
> 
> If it's too badly mangled I'll probably just cut it loose.  Lots of 
> other features have died quiet deaths like that.

Only if "Cut it loose" doesn't mean forfeiting even a modicum of ambition.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who wants to see Rosegarden blossom to its full 
potential (pun just presented itself)

For this particular feature -- it looks like something is just misaligned, 
maybe a trivial fix(?)

The "*.h2song" file seems like a very straightforward, non-cryptic XML format, 
which just needs a bit of undivided attention

Someone just needs to keep track of all the mappings -- Hydrogen's internal 
mappings: instrument id's and how Rosegarden tries to read them and map each 
instrument to a pitch value.  Doesn't sound hard.

The workaround I tried -- exporting to midi, then importing that midi to RG -- 
entails a similar task of tracking the mappings.

Back to "Cut[ting] it loose":  I really think a maximal symbiosis between 
Hydrogen and RG would add a tremendous amount of value and creative power i 
wouldn't give up on the idea. (Percussion is huge!!)... I know, a few years ago 
I was whining about proper percussion notation in RG... and I still haven't 
given up on THAT idea either! ;-))

I'd recommend perhaps adding a parenthetical "(Experimental)" to this item menu 
(and whatever notes commentaries necessary in the docs), but not to give up on 
it completely.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] "Can't load Hydrogen file. It appears to be corrupt"

2013-03-03 Thread Andrew
On Sat, Mar 02, 2013 at 11:16:37AM +, Kevin Donnelly wrote:
> On Saturday 02 March 2013 D. Michael McIntyre said
> > On 03/01/2013 05:37 PM, David Tisdell wrote:
> > > I think that feature has been broken for a long time. I posted about
> > > that quite a while ago and was told by Michael that the person who
> > > created that feature has been gone from Rosegarden for a long time.
> > 
> > Very true.  If we actually get it working as well as it did the last
> > time I used it, it's still a dubious feature.  It hasn't been touched in
> > maybe seven years?
> > 
> > If it's too badly mangled I'll probably just cut it loose.  Lots of
> > other features have died quiet deaths like that.
> 
> I have a vague recollection of, a couple of years ago, exporting the Hydrogen 
> file as a midi file, and then importing that into Rosegarden, and it seemed 
> to 
> work fine.  Maybe direct import isn't needed anyway?

My instruments were mismapped, when I tried to play the imported MIDI in RG, 
through Hydrogen.  I first hoped I could correct it by just transposing the 
whole thing by some interval, but then it seemed that my resulting array of 
instruments in RG was shuffled out of the original Hydrogen order, so my 
transposing attempts failed. Or maybe I missed something.

Wouldn't it be really cool, if you could import a hydrogen file, such that it 
was instantly ready to be rendered "back" through Hydrogen? (played by 
Rosegarden but outsourced back to Hydrogen (mapping the instruments correctly, 
of course))

Maybe for the RG code to be corrected/expanded for this, some broader, more 
generalized changes must be made in RG code, for percussion? (just a vague 
hunch)


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