Re: [Rosegarden-user] An oddity!

2015-06-14 Thread Abrolag
On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 17:30:52 -0400
Ted Felix wrote:

 On 06/13/2015 11:37 AM, Abrolag wrote:
  Hi Ted (that was quick!)
Saturday morning is Rosegarden morning.
  No, it's on fixed. I always use that, in fact I have that as my default 
  for all channels.
Hmmm.  Is this a Reset All Controllers (121) message?  I've found 
 that in a couple of places in the code.  It appears as the following 
 But those only appear in two places:
  - This routine isn't called for me at startup or file load.
  - Only sent when we do a panic event. I'm not sure where this is coming from.
Unfortunately, kmidimon is useless at rg startup and file load, so 
 that makes it even harder to observe this.  I'll see if I can do some 
 strategic RG_DEBUG-ing.
In the meantime, if we can hammer out a simple test case, that would 
 be a big help.
Just using rg normally, I don't see anything like what you are 
 describing when I use fluidsynth.  fluidsynth gets the proper volume 
 setting every time I launch rg or load a composition.
So, if you just create a simple one bar composition with a few notes 
 and an obviously non-default volume setting for that track (e.g. 
 something really low like 10), you can reproduce this every time?  Just 
 bring down rg, relaunch, load the test composition, and the volume isn't 

Sometimes I think computers hate me :(

I tried that and everything worked perfectly :?

Tried one of my 'normal' files and that had no problems either, and another and

...and... wait! Bingo set and instantly reset!

Next, I did something I should have tried a long time ago - complied a version
of Yoshimi that would ignore the reset command. Guess what? Errant file *still*
did it's little dance. So, sorry for the false info, but now what on earth
could be in the file that does this (I eventually found it in several others

It can't be anything in the normal track data as these all start at the second
bar, and this wierdo happens as you *load* the file.


Ha! Got the little bugger! :) :) :)

All the affected parts have an 'orphan' MIDI output in Manage MIDI Devices. The
device they were connected to no longer exists - indeed it no longer does in
real life!

What happens then is they lock on to the only available one - Yoshimi. From
here on I'm surmising that they send settings from phantom tracks. In any case
if I set them to [no port] and resave the file, next time it loads there is no

My guess is that this was originally done to ensure there was always something
connected. I wonder if anyone else has been victimised by this version of the
law of unintended consequences :o


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] An oddity!

2015-06-14 Thread J.P. Morris
On Sun, 14 Jun 2015 17:37:48 -0400
Ted Felix wrote:

It's strange that rg allows two devices connected to the same port, 
 but you can do this directly in the Manage MIDI Devices window.  Feels 
 like a bug, but maybe there are legitimate uses.

Yes.  Daisy-chaining devices has been around since MIDI began.  If you
spend more than about $300 on a synthesizer, chances are you're going to end
up with something that attaches to just a couple of channels.
A minimoog, for example, appears on one channel because it's a monosynth.
Hammond organ: One channel for each manual plus a third for the bass pedals.
The Manikin Memotron: six channels, each one dedicated to a single tape set.

While you could buy a dozen USB interfaces or a couple of expensive 4x4s,
the more realistic scenario is that you're going to chain some of the
synthesizers using the THRU port, so the minimoog, the organ and the 'tron
are all hooked up on the same port, but allocated to different channels,
say ch.1 for the Minimoog, 2-4 for the organ and 6-12 for the 'tron.

Unless you're sending a massive flood of control changes to all of them at once
this usually works pretty well.  Assuming you remember to disable the
automatic channel allocator, of course.

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