Re: [Rosegarden-user] among 19 tracks rosegarden leaves randomly some without sound

2016-08-28 Thread Mario Gummies
Wow,
have not checked that out, go for it in the future and will give feedback as 
first time tutorial tester.
It is great not needing to learn all alone, I dare to express.
Thanks a lot so far.


25.08.2016, 21:28, "Yves Guillemot" :
> Le lundi 22 août 2016, 14:42:05 Mario Gummies a écrit :
>>  - is there a way you can prove all 24 instruments do noise all together, and
>>  not that it seems only like that? Could you take my example midi file of
>>  the initial post, so I could verify and learn from it?
>
> I downloaded the midi file and discovered that only 11 voices are needed.
> So it almost works out of the box with any MIDI synthetizer.
> I'll try to explain it below.
>
>>  - is there a way to
>>  document the doings of the configurations: command line scripting would be
>>  ideal for communication imho, because of its secondary use of being able to
>>  be read by third communicated?
>
> Unfortunately there is currently no scripting language embedded in RG.
>
>>  - so given us poor set out to a overall
>>  great ui world: could you sketch the dialog lead, by screen shots or a
>>  pointer to a tutorial?
>
> You can find some documentation in RG Wiki, but it's frequently outdated or
> incomplete.
> http://rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/doc:manual-en#devices_instruments_and_connections
>
> Step 1 - How to set up (I presume timidity is already working):
>
> - Start RG, then load the midi file:
>    File -> Import -> Import MIDI File...
>
> - Open the MIDI devices manager dialog:
>    Studio -> Manage MIDI Devices
>
> - Connect the General Midi Device to a Timidity input:
>    1 - Click on "General Midi Device" in the upper left box to select it
> (well, it should already be selected as it should be the only one device in
> this window).
>    2 - Click on a Timidity input in the upper right box.
>
> You should see something like that:
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5R8K4qNasR0X3YwMXBvR0JrR0k/view?usp=sharing
>
> The "General MIDI Device" device is now connected to a timidity port.
>
> - Close the Midi Devices manager dialog.
>
> - The setup is finish and you can press the play button to hear the midi file.
>
> Step 2 - How the MIDI instruments (or "programs") are mapped to the
> tracks:
>
> Here is a snapshot of the main window:
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5R8K4qNasR0OTU3S0wzNngyZVk/view?usp=sharing
>
> and a diagram showing the relations between devices, instruments, banks and
> programs:
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5R8K4qNasR0RlVHa0F4bFBOZ00/view?usp=sharing
>
> To click on the name in front of a track in the main window selects this
> track.
> Once the track is selected, we can see the associated Midi device (here
> "General MIDI Device") in the Track Parameters box.
> The instrument name and its number are visible under the Midi device name.
> The instruments in the same MIDI device can't be more than 16.
>
> This instrument is an element in the list of the instruments used in the
> composition.
>
> The bank and program in the Instrument Parameters box show what sound this
> logical instrument gives. In the main window snapshot, the track #6 is using
> the program "Piccolo" which has number 73 in the "General MIDI" bank.
>
> Successively looking all the tracks, we see that:
>    - Track 1 is not used
>    - Tracks 2 and 3 have the same instruments (75. Recorder)
>    - Tracks 4 and 5 have the same instrument (70. English Horn)
>    - Tracks 6 and 7 have the same instrument (73. Piccolo)
> etc...
>
> Eventually, instruments beeing shared between tracks, there are 19 tracks, but
> only 11 instruments used.
> As 11 < 16, only one MIDI device is needed (and using more than one Timidity
> port is unnecessary here).
>
> Here there is something weird: Why is GM Recorder used in place of flute ?
> Why English Horn in place of oboe ? Why Piccolo in place of clarinet ? etc...
>
> This looks like a bug somewhere:
>    Recorder is #75 in GM and Flute is #74
>    English Horn is #70 in GM and Oboe is #69
>    Piccolo is #73 in GM and Clarinet is #72
>    etc... : The N+1 GM instrument is always used in place of the N.
>
> To fix this, you have to select successively each track, then, in the
> Instrument parameter box, to use the Program dropdown to select the correct
> instrument.
>
> Step 3 - Why, in your screenshot, is there sometimes no vu-meter visible on
> some tracks at a place where this track is making sound ?
>
> Some similar thing is easy to notice looking tracks 10 and 11 (the horns)
> while playing bars 84 to 91.
>
> I didn't look at the code and I don't have a certitude, but I presume that
> there is a level treshold under which the track number is displayed rather
> than the vu-meter.
> So when a track is playing with a very low level no vu-meter is
> displayed.
>
> An easy way to know if a track is making sound is to mute all the other tracks
> (clicking on the blue "LED button" near each track number).
> The last RG release provides a solo button (a third "LED" in front of each
> tra

Re: [Rosegarden-user] General Midi Program change start [WAS]: Re: among 19 tracks rosegarden leaves randomly some without sound

2016-08-28 Thread Abrolag
On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 09:32:47 +0200
Lorenzo Sutton  wrote:

> On 26/08/2016 09:28, Abrolag wrote:
>  > On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 23:24:23 -0400
>  > Ted Felix  wrote:  
>  >>Program numbers start at 1 for the user and start at 0 under the
>  >> covers, so mistakes are easy to make.  I'm guessing the MIDI file was
>  >> generated by a program that didn't subtract one from the program number
>  >> before saving.  
>  >
>  > I can never understand why the convention became that program and channel
>  > numbers start from one, but banks and CCs start from zero :(  
> 
> Historically I think its due to program changes being controlled from 
> hardware though number selection (e.g. my Yamaha keyboard used 1 ~ 128). 
> Most controllers would usually be controlled by hardware (pedals, 
> wheels, knobs) and therefore on a keyboard you wouldn't usually input a 
> controller change numerically as a number.
> 
> Lorenzo.

I hadn't thought of it like that. You're probably right.
It doesn't make it any less irritating though :p

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