Re: [Rosegarden-user] Lyric space

2018-04-04 Thread Yves Guillemot
Le  4 avril 2018 à 16H05 (-0400)
rhkra...@gmail.com a écrit :

> 
> How do you know I used dynamics instead of lyrics?

In the notation editor double click on the text with the selection
tool (or simple click on it with the text tool): this opens a dialog
where you can see the text and it style and change them.

> 
> I don't remember if it was on this song or not, but I have used the
> Lyric Editor (and, then, typically, used the fine spacing feature to
> try to move the lyrics around to try to get them closer to the right
> notes).

With the lyric editor, the lyrics should always been under the right
note. Nevertheless this really works only when the notation is clean.
Notation quantified from a midi file is not always clean.

> (Aside: When I got this file as a MIDI file, the Words line (with the
> words against rests) was already there, as was the Melody line.  I
> started to add the lyrics to the Melody line, but do not recall
> whether I simply inserted text or used the Lyric Editor.)

The "Words" track with text without notes seams typical of karaoke midi
files (sometimes with .kar suffix).
The RG midi importer keeps this text (apparently as if it was dynamics)
but not as lyrics.

> 
> In songs where I used the Lyric Editor, I still had the problem with 
> insufficient space for the lyrics.

Maybe the notation was not clean ?
I frequently got similar problems in the past.
 
> 
> I don't see a place to specifically choose the "lyrics text style".
> Hmm, maybe in this file I did insert the lyrics with the Text tool
> instead of the Lyric Editor, and maybe that's what you refer to as
> lyrics text style (i.e., the style inserted by the Lyric Editor)?
> (As I said, even with the Lyric Editor there is insufficient space
> for the lyrics.)

Inserting text with the text tool opened the text dialog where the
style can be selected.

> 
> Maybe there are some features in Rosegarden 17 that are not present
> in Rosegarden 12 (the version that I am using because my OS
> supports / supplies this version)?

There should not be such new features related to text.

> 
> Sorry for being obtuse--thanks for any additional help you can offer.
> 
You are welcome.

Yves

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Lyric space

2018-04-04 Thread rhkramer
Thanks very much for your reply!  I have some comments / questions 
interspersed below:

On Wednesday, April 04, 2018 10:23:06 AM Yves Guillemot wrote:
> Le  4 avril 2018 à 08H42 (-0400)
> 
> rhkra...@gmail.com a écrit :
> > At the moment, I can't find the worst example, but this file will be
> > enough to give you the idea.  If you view the "line" named "Words" in
> > the notation editor, you should see the problem, and if you increase
> > the "Spacing" in the notation editor to 220%, you will see that the
> > situation improves, but is not completely gone.
> > 
> > You can also look at the line named "Melody" where I started to also
> > add the lyrics in the hope that I could do better--I realized I could
> > not and quit.
> 
> There are several styles of text in RG. You used text for dynamics
> instead of lyrics.

How do you know I used dynamics instead of lyrics?

These questions might all be resolved by some explanation--I'm asking lots of 
questions in hopes of helping you understand / spot where my lack of 
understanding / knowledge lies.

Until you sent this reply, I thought the font I was using was Feta size 8.  I 
now understand that is apparently the font for the notes and such, and I found 
on the preferences menu (which I had not looked at prior to today) that I am 
using "Bitstream Vera Serif 9" as both the Text and San-serif font.

I did experiment with changing the text font to 6, which I was surprised to 
find is readable on my screen, and helps with the lack of space for lyrics, but 
does not completely solve it.

I don't remember if it was on this song or not, but I have used the Lyric 
Editor (and, then, typically, used the fine spacing feature to try to move the 
lyrics around to try to get them closer to the right notes).

(Aside: When I got this file as a MIDI file, the Words line (with the words 
against rests) was already there, as was the Melody line.  I started to add 
the lyrics to the Melody line, but do not recall whether I simply inserted 
text or used the Lyric Editor.)

In songs where I used the Lyric Editor, I still had the problem with 
insufficient space for the lyrics.  

I don't see a place to specifically choose the "lyrics text style".  Hmm, maybe 
in this file I did insert the lyrics with the Text tool instead of the Lyric 
Editor, and maybe that's what you refer to as lyrics text style (i.e., the 
style inserted by the Lyric Editor)?  (As I said, even with the Lyric Editor 
there is insufficient space for the lyrics.)

Maybe there are some features in Rosegarden 17 that are not present in 
Rosegarden 12 (the version that I am using because my OS supports / supplies 
this version)?

Sorry for being obtuse--thanks for any additional help you can offer.

> Unlike other text styles, the places of lyrics and notes are
> computed in relation to each other when they are displayed in the
> notation editor. This should fix your problem.
> 
> First you should add the lyrics to the segment on the "Melody" track
> because without notes (as on the "Words" track which has only rests) RG
> can't display lyrics at the right place.
> 
> Next you have to use the lyrics text style.
> The better way to insert lyrics is to use the lyric editor from the
> notation editor with "View -> Open Lyric Editor".
> 
> Some documentation is here:
> https://www.rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/doc:lyriceditdialog-en
> 
> You may see lyrics in some RG examples as Hallelujah_Chorus or
> aylindaamiga.
> 
> Yves

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Lyric space

2018-04-04 Thread Yves Guillemot
Le  4 avril 2018 à 08H42 (-0400)
rhkra...@gmail.com a écrit :
> 
> At the moment, I can't find the worst example, but this file will be
> enough to give you the idea.  If you view the "line" named "Words" in
> the notation editor, you should see the problem, and if you increase
> the "Spacing" in the notation editor to 220%, you will see that the
> situation improves, but is not completely gone.
> 
> You can also look at the line named "Melody" where I started to also
> add the lyrics in the hope that I could do better--I realized I could
> not and quit.

There are several styles of text in RG. You used text for dynamics
instead of lyrics.
Unlike other text styles, the places of lyrics and notes are
computed in relation to each other when they are displayed in the
notation editor. This should fix your problem.

First you should add the lyrics to the segment on the "Melody" track
because without notes (as on the "Words" track which has only rests) RG
can't display lyrics at the right place.

Next you have to use the lyrics text style.
The better way to insert lyrics is to use the lyric editor from the
notation editor with "View -> Open Lyric Editor".

Some documentation is here:
https://www.rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/doc:lyriceditdialog-en

You may see lyrics in some RG examples as Hallelujah_Chorus or
aylindaamiga.

Yves


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Lyric space

2018-04-04 Thread rhkramer
On Wednesday, April 04, 2018 03:40:46 AM Yves Guillemot wrote:
> Le  2 avril 2018 à 14H02 (-0400)  rhkra...@gmail.com a écrit :
> > It is nice to see that this list is not totally dead.
> 
> Sorry for this late reply.
> I'd no time to reply the first time I read your
> post then I forgot it.

No problem, thanks for replying now!

> Le 18 février 2018 à 19H00 (-0500)
> 
> rhkra...@gmail.com a écrit :
> > (Note: I am using Rosegarden 12 instead of the latest version because
> > that is what is supported on my Debian Wheezy based computer.  If
> > this problem is solved in a later version of Rosegarden, I will look
> > (harder) into ways to upgrade.)
> 
> I don't think lyrics had have any fix related to your problem since
> 12.4.
> 
> > My problem is this--in some songs, when I add lyrics, there is not
> > enough space for the lyrics (that is, for each syllable or measure)
> > so words or syllables are cut off and not displayed and/or
> > overwritten (and therefore garbled).  (This being on the Notation
> > display, the one that displays musical notes and lyrics (if present).)
> > 
> > I did find the spacing "control" and adjusting it does improve the
> > situation, but even on the song I'm looking at now, 220% does not
> > eliminate the problem.
> 
> I can't reproduce this issue here.
> Moreover I don't see any noticeable effect of the spacing percentage on
> the readability of lyrics.
> 
> > I can email the particular song to anyone that is interested--iirc, I
> > got the MIDI part from someone on the Internet, which had the lyrics
> > in a separate "voice", and I've started to add the lyrics to the
> > melody.  (But, even the lyrics in that separate voice have the same
> > problem (they are displayed against a musical clef with rests of
> > varying duration.)
> 
> Please, send me this song or some example showing the problem and
> I'll try to fix it.

I've attached the rg file to a copy of this email that I'll send to you 
immediately after sending this to the list without the file (I don't want to 
spam the list nor do I know if files are allowed on this list).  Oh, and also, 
I downloaded the file from the Internet and don't know its original source--I'm 
not sure I have the legal right to post it anywhere.

At the moment, I can't find the worst example, but this file will be enough to 
give you the idea.  If you view the "line" named "Words" in the notation 
editor, you should see the problem, and if you increase the "Spacing" in the 
notation editor to 220%, you will see that the situation improves, but is not 
completely gone.

You can also look at the line named "Melody" where I started to also add the 
lyrics in the hope that I could do better--I realized I could not and quit.

In some songs, I've used the "fine positioning" mechansim to try to position / 
space out the lyrics to fix the problem--I may have done some of that in this 
file--I do not recall.

I'm not expecting you to put any significant effort into trying to fine tune 
the 
positioning of the lyrics to make the situation better, I'm just looking for a 
way (beyond the spacing conntrol) to spread the notes out to allow more room 
for lyrics.

(I did think about trying to rewrite the songs with maybe a different time 
signature to allow more space for the lyrics (I mean, maybe if I did something 
like rewrote this song in 2/4 time and then made some adjustment (like 
changing the duration of the notes  (e.g., quarter note to eighth note??), or 
changing the tempo, but, that would be a lot of work, and I'm not sure it 
would be worth it.)

(The other example was in 6/8 time, and maybe I never saved in rg format--I 
have a lot of MIDI files, and it will only be by luck that I find it again (or 
find some notes).)

Thanks for any suggestions you might offer.

PS: I can send this to others on request.




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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Auto-scrolling

2018-04-04 Thread Ted Felix

On 04/03/2018 12:24 PM, Will Godfrey wrote:

On 04/02/2018 01:36 PM, Will Godfrey wrote:

Would some kind person please provide a way to switch this off, or at least
make it *much* slower and less aggressive.

   I fixed this on the "segment canvas".  Is the auto-scroll behavior
there OK for you?  If so, we can go ahead and copy that behavior to all
of the other editors.

Yes! That's a much better idea.


  I've opened bug #1558 to track this.

Ted.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Lyric space

2018-04-04 Thread Yves Guillemot
Le  2 avril 2018 à 14H02 (-0400)
rhkra...@gmail.com a écrit :
> 
> It is nice to see that this list is not totally dead.
> 
Sorry for this late reply.
I'd no time to reply the first time I read your
post then I forgot it.


Le 18 février 2018 à 19H00 (-0500)
rhkra...@gmail.com a écrit :

> (Note: I am using Rosegarden 12 instead of the latest version because
> that is what is supported on my Debian Wheezy based computer.  If
> this problem is solved in a later version of Rosegarden, I will look
> (harder) into ways to upgrade.)

I don't think lyrics had have any fix related to your problem since
12.4.

> 
> My problem is this--in some songs, when I add lyrics, there is not
> enough space for the lyrics (that is, for each syllable or measure)
> so words or syllables are cut off and not displayed and/or
> overwritten (and therefore garbled).  (This being on the Notation
> display, the one that displays musical notes and lyrics (if present).)
> 
> I did find the spacing "control" and adjusting it does improve the
> situation, but even on the song I'm looking at now, 220% does not
> eliminate the problem.

I can't reproduce this issue here.
Moreover I don't see any noticeable effect of the spacing percentage on
the readability of lyrics.

> 
> I can email the particular song to anyone that is interested--iirc, I
> got the MIDI part from someone on the Internet, which had the lyrics
> in a separate "voice", and I've started to add the lyrics to the
> melody.  (But, even the lyrics in that separate voice have the same
> problem (they are displayed against a musical clef with rests of
> varying duration.)
> 
Please, send me this song or some example showing the problem and
I'll try to fix it.

Yves


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