Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden App Icon

2020-05-23 Thread Chris Cannam
I rather liked the geometrical ones (6, 7, 8) that everyone else seems so 
averse to!

I do agree that 1 is quite likeable though. I didn't go for 2, 3, 4, or 9 for 
one reason or another.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] New Rosegarden Logo

2019-03-16 Thread Chris Cannam


On Sat, 16 Mar 2019, at 06:49, david wrote:
> Where's the original rose photo? Might be fun to see about SVGing it myself.

See https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/mailman/message/36401431/ (there is an 
attachment link).

Nobody should listen to me, but I will say that I'm totally fine with changing 
the logo. If it makes active developers and users feel a happy sense of 
ownership then that's a jolly good thing. I quite like the proposed one as it 
happens, but again, don't listen to me.

Website could do with a redesign too, not to mention tightening up the 
content...


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] No more 64Studio distro

2018-08-14 Thread Chris Cannam



On Fri, 10 Aug 2018, at 17:56, Ted Felix wrote:
>I think at least part of that page is computer-generated.  Chris 
> would know more.  Not sure exactly what is safe to change and what isn't 
> on that page.

I updated the page. It's generally fine to change anything in there, so long as 
the table at the bottom with its virtual include directive is left unchanged in 
the HTML, so do feel free to update it further if you like.

If the contents of the distro table need to be fixed, then that happens in 
scripts/distro-versions.sh in the Rosegarden source tree -- that's a rather 
obscure shell script, that should retrieve and print the contents of the distro 
table when run.

(I see that at the moment a couple of rows of that table are missing or wrong, 
so it probably needs fixing now...)


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Is there a new release coming ahead?

2017-04-07 Thread Chris Cannam


On Fri, 7 Apr 2017, at 19:41, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
> On 04/07/2017 10:51 AM, Ted Felix wrote:
> 
> >Lemme know if you want me to do it.
> 
> It seems like a fitting moment to acknowledge that I finally burned out. 

Ow.

> The website is in SVN somewhere, and Chris has a script to publish it 
> periodically.

Yes, it should get updated automatically at some point after anything
gets committed to the repo.

Let me know if you run into any trouble with that side of things. I do
monitor this and the devel list, although I don't usually have much time
to read them closely.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] (no subject)

2014-05-19 Thread Chris Cannam
(sorry about the empty mail just now -- it's early)

On Sun, May 18, 2014, at 06:47 AM, shelagh.man...@gmail.com wrote:
 Rubberband is also meant to be able to do this.
 
 You can find a ladspa plugin as well as a cli version for it, which
 means,
 I guess as I've never played with it myself, that you can fiddle with
 this stuff in Rosegarden.

I missed this thread until just now, apologies.

The Rubber Band LADSPA plugin only does pitch shifting, not time
stretching (which isn't possible with the LADSPA API as it needs
different numbers of samples at input and output).

But Rosegarden actually has this feature built in -- just resize the
audio clip with the Ctrl button held down. It doesn't use the Rubber
Band library, instead it uses a slightly simpler method which is
basically a precursor to the Rubber Band code.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] (no subject)

2014-05-19 Thread Chris Cannam


On Mon, May 19, 2014, at 05:12 PM, Abrolag wrote:
 
 I never knew that!

It's interesting that nobody, including other RG developers, seems to
have known (or remembered?) about this feature. I only dimly remembered
it myself. Yet it's been there for over 7 years, since the KDE3 version,
and is mentioned in the manual:

http://rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/doc:manual-en#stretching_and_squashing_segments


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] [Rosegarden-devel] Update on tuplet rewrite

2013-11-16 Thread Chris Cannam

On Fri, Nov 15, 2013, at 10:05 PM, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
 On 11/15/2013 04:40 PM, Chris Cannam wrote:
 
  released, most probably, but if it *just* gets merged and released
  without really being exercised, it won't work.
 
 I agree, though it's a problematic situation in that I just never deal 
 with tuplets much, and any testing I do will be naive.  We really need 
 some tuplet nut other than Tom himself to check out the branch and go 
 crazy with it.
 
 I know there are some true tuplet nuts out there.  Users?  Any 
 volunteers to exercise the big tuplet rewrite?

It doesn't just call for the tuplet-crazy though -- Tom's work will
affect quite a lot of things, including (hopefully) big improvements to
auto-beaming and the like. Really anyone who enters or records-and-edits
notation is likely to see some changes. You should definitely mess
around with it even if you never venture outside your most familiar
workflow.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Warning maessage resolution timer with rt kernel and hrtimer mod.

2012-10-03 Thread Chris Cannam
On 3 October 2012 11:29, D. Michael McIntyre
rosegarden.trumpe...@gmail.com wrote:
 I know Chris Cannam was completely convinced that the new 250 Hz
 timer resolution couldn't possibly reproduce MIDI correctly, and that
 concern was backed up by sound reasoning and actual math skills.  Be
 that as it may, it remains the case that not one other soul anywhere
 else on the Earth cares, and it seems to be a complete non-issue
 everywhere except here at Rosegarden.

Rosegarden is about the only major application that ever used the ALSA
sequencer timers. Others do their own timing, and consequently have
different problems.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

2012-08-30 Thread Chris Cannam
On 30 August 2012 18:47, jimmy wg20...@yahoo.com wrote:
 But the ignorant people always think because they pay for something they must 
 have something worth-while, especially the more expensive stuff.  But hey, 
 its their money.  There's one born every minute.

Nope, that's not right. There are perfectly sound (economic) reasons
why paying for software should often get you software that works
better for your needs. John is quite right.

Equally, there are reasons for the opposite. The money involved might
be a really big deal for you, and the thought of _having to make the
right choice_ that spending money entails might be an even bigger one.

Emma Coats, a former Pixar story artist who has had some publicity
recently for her series of snippets about how to make characterisation
work in stories, also posted a series of links to free-software
programs for animation and storyboarding, along these lines:

https://twitter.com/lawnrocket/status/239097181460643841

I think this line of thought is a sound one, and it isn't even an
angle I'd thought much about before.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

2012-08-29 Thread Chris Cannam
On 29 August 2012 14:48, Richard Bown richard.b...@ferventsoftware.com wrote:
 On 29 Aug 2012, at 15:36, John wildber...@cogeco.ca wrote:
 [...]
 I have reached the point in life where I become immune to the accusation of 
 being to lazy to learn how to make programs to work.  I rather prefer to 
 spend my time to smell the roses.

 Well said, sir.

I'm not sure there is such a simple dichotomy, though. It has so much
to do with temperament and perspective.

For instance, I'm sure that (of historical Rosegarden developers) you
and Guillaume would agree that your lives have been more pleasant
since you stopped having to apply the principle that it has to be
beaten into shape in order to work in Linux and switched to other
platforms in which you get things done more readily. Revisiting other
operating systems in the light of your experience with Linux, you find
one of them more satisfying and switch -- contentedly, I assume.

On the other hand I've had similar experience of other platforms and
found that, in comparison, Linux is the one I most enjoy using, for
many largely subjective reasons. So the same experience has made me
more content as well, but in a different way.

As another example -- John wrote, likely accurately,

 A number of writer to this thread made reference to their recently discovered 
 new distro [...] The next update will bring them back to reality.

But another way of looking at the ebb-and-flow is that, provided the
basics of the OS remain the things you always liked about it, you can
mostly just ignore the passing fads -- so long as you can stick with
the configuration you like and adapt away configurations you don't get
on with, the platform will always come back to you eventually.

I think the root of Michael's problem is that he feels stuck with this
one operating system -- whether for financial reasons or because of a
gloomy expectation that nothing else is going to work for him either.
So he hasn't had the opportunity either to decide to let it go, or to
relish the good things about it.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

2012-08-27 Thread Chris Cannam
On 27 August 2012 16:04, Chris Cannam can...@all-day-breakfast.com wrote:
 I think XFCE is a fair option for people who were happy with the
 previous generation of desktops and are quite content to watch history
 pass them by.

Of course, this is a problem if those people are developers, since
they end up not testing their software in the environments that most
people actually use. Recent reports of problems with RG under Ubuntu
Unity, which no RG developer really knows how to respond to, are a
case in point.

For my part, these days, most of the software I write is (sadly) used
on other platforms more than on Linux -- this does at least mean I get
to develop on Linux as a sort of neutral platform that I can align
more to my own preferences and habits than to anyone else's. In fact,
I am probably as happy with it now as I ever have been.

I use Arch Linux, which has a rolling update schedule without any
numbered releases. It's worked well for me. They seem to be getting
more and more ambitious in the sorts of changes they include in
rolling updates, which is sometimes problematic -- this year there
have been three updates requiring significant manual input -- but it
has never yet actually broken anything for me, it always just refuses
to update until I go back and read the instructions. If you don't mind
reading instructions, and remember to do so, it's fine. It has the
benefit of clarity, it's generally easier to fix than Ubuntu (or other
operating systems) if it does break.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

2012-08-27 Thread Chris Cannam
On 27 August 2012 18:02, S. Christian Collins
s_chriscoll...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Sorry to hear your upgrade didn't go well, Michael.  I've had a few things
 break over the years during upgrades, but nothing so completely trashed as
 what it seems you experienced.  I'm currently using the latest Kubuntu
 12.04, and I have to say I'm quite spoiled by KDE.

That's interesting -- I was put off KDE4 very quickly when it first
appeared, simply because of the ugly putty-like theme it used by
default, and I probably never gave it the time it really deserved.
It's good to hear from people who have found that it all works out for
them. I'm happy at the moment with XFCE4, but alternatives are always
nice.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Busted Examples

2012-05-18 Thread Chris Cannam
On 18 May 2012 01:06, steve conrad steve.x.con...@gmail.com wrote:
 Was that meant to be snide?

Haha -- as in, if your examples don't work, just delete them! and you're done

I read Michael's reply as meaning that he'd already found and fixed
this in the example pieces in the source tree, but that the examples
quick-link in the RG file dialog points to a cached set of example
files so you might simply be looking at an older version. Hence,
delete the cache and restart.

Of course, I might be misinterpreting too.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] One Further Thought on RGD

2012-05-17 Thread Chris Cannam
On 17 May 2012 09:10, Gary G. happyr...@yahoo.com wrote:
 How do you attach anything to this Listserv?  Actually is it a Listserv or
 an NNTP server?

It's a mailing list, i.e. like a listserv though not actually running
listserv software.

http://rosegardenmusic.com/support/lists/

Gmane provides a web interface and NNTP interface for a number of
mailing lists, including ours -- we don't particularly support or
endorse them, but the interface can be useful for some.

If you don't like Gmane, subscribe to the list directly via email
instead. Subscription details can be found through the page above.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] [Rosegarden-devel] Fwd: Rosegarden's Future

2012-05-14 Thread Chris Cannam
On 13 May 2012 23:56, Cláudio Pinheiro taup...@gmail.com wrote:
 Rosegarden needs broad visibility by potential users, so it can generate a
 critical mass that would attract developers that would maintain a sustained
 growth and (even) better codebase and documentation. To achieve it
 Rosegarden must walk the multiplatform path. It must be the top priority now
 for the future's greater good.

I appreciate this argument, and thank you for articulating it well.
But I'm afraid I just don't see the evidence in other applications
that broadening your user base, by porting to other platforms with a
smaller proportion of developers, helps a great deal with development
effort.

I think that the difference between Mixxx and Rosegarden is something
else. It's focus. Mixxx has a very clear purpose, every developer has
pretty much the same focus, and every developer is able to exercise
that purpose very clearly in testing the application. So although
Mixxx has about the same number of active developers as Rosegarden,
they're able to pull it along more efficiently because it's a simpler
and smaller application with a much clearer goal.

Compare this with Audacity, perhaps the world's most widely-used audio
application -- inching along much like Rosegarden does, with a
similarly-sized developer team who spend most of their time
integrating occasional external contributions and trying to fix the
bugs those contributions bring in. Their wider user base gives them a
lot more tricky single-platform bug reports and causes years of delays
to stable releases. Or the Gimp, spending the last four years on a
bunch of changes finally released to a collective response of is that
_it_ for the last four years? (and I'm sympathetic, but it's true
that almost every change in Gimp 2.8 seems to make my life more
difficult instead of easier). Or Ardour, a fine application perhaps
unique among these in having had a developer working full time on it
for many years, but again with only two or three really active
developers and not an enormous amount of visibility. No, most of the
cross-platform projects are more like Rosegarden than like Mixxx.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

2012-05-10 Thread Chris Cannam
On 10 May 2012 12:38, Richard Bown richard.b...@ferventsoftware.com wrote:
 On one point - who hosts the RG website currently and any chance making this 
 editable with some non stone-age tools and for multiple users?

I host it. It gets updated automatically from the Subversion repo.
(https://rosegarden.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/rosegarden/website)

I don't disagree in principle that the site could usefully be shinier
and easier to edit -- it does date from 2004 after all.

But don't forget that overhauling websites (regardless of tools) is a
time sink almost comparable to developing software, especially since
everyone always has an opinion...


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

2012-05-10 Thread Chris Cannam
[cc -devel]

On 10 May 2012 13:41, Ian Gardner ilgard...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 I guess people like me are part of the problem in this regard, turn up one 
 day, chuck something in to do with linked segments and then f. off into the 
 sunset. Fly-by-night, here today and gone tomorrow contributors :-(

Well, you could say anyone who ever wrote any of the code is part of
the problem by now! I know I am.

 I guess one possible way to ameliorate the bejeesus, this codebase is an 
 unmaintainable spaghetti! problem is automated testing.

Well, as you know, the difficulty with automated unit testing is the
sheer effort involved in writing tests (after the fact) that cover
more than a tiny percentage of possible cases.

[On another project I'm currently in the middle of porting some
existing unit tests to a different test framework (without changing
their content) just to sit better with the rest of the code. I can't
believe how much work it is -- I never really noticed the initial
effort of writing the tests for that code because I did it at the same
time as writing the code under test, but when you look at it
afterwards there's a heck of a lot of it and I simply can't imagine
doing it all at once after the fact, even if it didn't actually take
any real thought.]

I do like the suggestion of using slightly higher-level test cases
with synthetic series of commands though (given serialisable command
classes). Apart from anything else, then you could supplement
human-designed tests with pseudo-random command sequences or fuzz
tests, which would give quite a good tradeoff of effort against
effectiveness.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

2012-05-08 Thread Chris Cannam
On 8 May 2012 08:23, Richard Bown richard.b...@ferventsoftware.com wrote:
 I have failed.

 What absolute self indulgent rubbish.

Though a very nicely constructed extended metaphor.

I think you're sort-of right that the proper answer ought to be a nice
brisk one about how it's just going the way it has to go and if it
isn't working out for you, well, those are the breaks. And it's been
around this long, people are still enjoying it and developers are
doing new things -- what should we do next to build on this?

But you and I have had a lot of time off from this project, and I
guess both of us did that because we felt a bit like Michael -- as if
every little bug fix ended up being an exploratory dive down a
stinking rabbit hole and each small new idea was a major project to be
written up on a board in marker pen and deliberated over for three
months because it would inevitably break half a dozen other things.
This isn't a codebase that lends itself well to an enjoyable agile
process.

I'm with PMA that you're being far too hard on yourself, Michael -- in
a project like this you don't need to be in a position where you have
an answer for everything. You've been pretty vital to this program's
survival so far, but you know, it is only a computer program -- you
could walk away tomorrow and just see what happens to it. It'd
probably stick around one way or another, and if it didn't, that might
be enough to suggest it didn't matter much to enough people in the
first place. I'm not suggesting you should necessarily do that, but it
might be no bad thing to remember that you can.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Ramped tempo changes aren't ramped when exported as MIDI?

2011-10-22 Thread Chris Cannam
On 22 October 2011 18:51, D. Michael McIntyre
michael.mcint...@rosegardenmusic.com wrote:
 When I think about it, I'm surprised more people haven't run into this.  Tempo
 ramps were never fully implemented from the beginning, years ago now, and
 nobody ever came back to finish the job.  If my memory is correct, the MIDI
 export side of things is the one bit nobody ever finished.

That's right -- I left that part undone when I added the ramped tempo
feature in 2006, and as far as I know nobody has looked at it since.

MIDI doesn't have any way to represent a ramped tempo, so to implement
it would, I think, mean having to emit a tempo change at each event,
calculated so as to give the correct time gap to the next event.  That
is, using e.g. Composition::getRealTimeDifference to convert the gap
to real time, and then picking the fixed tempo that would result in
the musical time gap being converted to the same real time.

This is not _hard_ as such, but it is fiddly, and it's worth noting
that the exported MIDI files would end up with multiple fixed tempi in
them if re-imported, rather than ramped tempi.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Choose Text Encoding

2011-10-19 Thread Chris Cannam
On 19 October 2011 18:42, D. Michael McIntyre
michael.mcint...@rosegardenmusic.com wrote:
 On Wednesday, October 19, 2011, Johan Vromans wrote:

 Is there a way I can instruct RoseGarden to *always* use UTF-8 and not
 bother me with encoding selection?

 Rosegarden has to ask, because there's nothing in the standard that can tell
 us what encoding to use, and we don't trust ourselves to guess.

Does the dialog at least give you the right default?  There's quite a
big difference in annoyance between just clicking OK and having to
select from the menu first.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Choose Text Encoding

2011-10-19 Thread Chris Cannam
On 19 October 2011 22:48, Johan Vromans jvrom...@squirrel.nl wrote:
 Yes. That's the surprising part. Apparently Rosegarder *does* have a
 clue. (Unless it always presents UTF-8 as default choice.)

No, I think it tries to guess from the content.  The problem is that
the guess isn't terribly reliable; it goes for UTF-8 if it isn't very
sure.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Problems with printing

2011-04-11 Thread Chris Cannam
On 10 Apr 2011 21:39, D. Michael McIntyre 
michael.mcint...@rosegardenmusic.com wrote:
 What about quantizing though?  I never could use any combination of
quantizers
 to get that original performance lined up mechanically on precise
boundaries

Oh!  I simply didn't try any edits on the piece in Rosegarden, I just saw
that it didn't work as it should with the default output and went straight
after that bug first.

If a quantize in the main window didn't make it work, then that sounds like
there's something else wrong as well. I should rewind and look at that as
well, then - if I can find another handy moment.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Problems with printing

2011-04-10 Thread Chris Cannam
On 10 Apr 2011 10:21, D. Michael McIntyre 
michael.mcint...@rosegardenmusic.com wrote:
 I can't get acceptable results out of Rosegarden, pulling out all the
tricks
 at my disposal after all these years.

Wow, you don't hear that every day. I've got to have a look at this one! I
think I should be able to find a few moments a bit later on today.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Call for alpha testers: FLAM

2011-03-02 Thread Chris Cannam
On 28 February 2011 01:19, D. Michael McIntyre
michael.mcint...@rosegardenmusic.com wrote:
 On Sunday, February 27, 2011, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:

 Where I'm expecting this to lead, eventually, is that there will be much
 better external GUIs available for these plugins by way of FLAM...

 By way of example, here's my first attempt at an improved interface for the
 AmpVTS plugin, with Rosegarden's presentation of the same for comparison.

Nice.  I think this is a great idea -- it'd be lovely to have some
more GUIs that worked with the plugins and hosts we already have, with
minimal development work.

(Though I wonder why our native host editor window is so wide? That
doesn't help, does it?)

There's been a lot of talk about GUIs on the LAD list recently, mostly
to do with how LV2 supports them.  Historically the situation there
has been very problematic for any host that isn't written using GTK,
but it looks like things are on the up, as David Robillard has been
working on a library to adapt plugins written for different toolkits
from the hosts.

That's of no immediate use to Rosegarden since it doesn't support LV2
plugins, but it does suggest that one obstacle to supporting LV2 may
be disappearing.  Leaving only the biggest one: time.  In the world of
realistic immediate solutions to problems, FLAM user interfaces for
LADSPA plugins look like a very good idea with essentially nothing to
lose.


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