Re: [Rosegarden-user] Saving projects
On December 9, 2023 12:59:55 AM HST, Will Godfrey wrote: > On Fri, 8 Dec 2023 16:53:52 -1000 > david wrote: > > >On 12/8/23 01:46, Will Godfrey wrote: > >> On Thu, 7 Dec 2023 23:22:11 -1000 > >> david wrote: > >> > >>> On 12/7/23 16:13, mark_at_yahoo via Rosegarden-user wrote: > >>>> On 12/7/23 13:22, david wrote: > >>>>> RCS sounds interesting. I used to work with enterprise content > >>>>> management (ECM) systems. Is it command line only or is there a GUI > >>>>> for it? > >>>> I've only ever used RCS from the commandline, but quick search yields: > >>>> > >>>> https://www.compuphase.com/software_rcsbrowser.htm > >>>> https://docs.hpc.cam.ac.uk/storage/rcs/gui.html > >>>> https://filezilla-project.org/ > >>>> > >>>> although I can't immediately see how FileZilla relates, despite it > >>>> being recommended by the cam.ac.uk page. > >>>> > >>>> CVS is a higher-level layer built atop RCS, and there seem to be more > >>>> GUI support for it: > >>>> > >>>> https://cvsgui.sourceforge.net/ > >>>> https://eclipse.dev/eclipse/platform-cvs/ > >>>> https://apps.kde.org/cervisia/ > >>>> https://github.com/KDE/cervisia > >>>> > >>>> Again, I haven't used any of the above systems and only found them > >>>> because your question piqued my curiosity. > >>> Ah, thanks. I should have thought to check my repository! > >>> > >> These suggestions are all quite interesting but seem to be massive > >> overkill for > >> what (to me) is just wanting a simple warning > >> > >Sorry, since I don't still have the original email around - what was the > >original idea? > > > I simply want a warning message so that I don't overwrite and existing > project. > > This has happened to me on a number of occasions. > > A typical scenario is where I load an existing one, then while playing it > have a > bit of inspiration for an alternative version, get deeply engrossed in this > and > *forget* that I haven't saved it to a new project name. Stop and save. Bang! > I've just wiped out the original that I wanted to keep. Ah, thanks for the reminder. Yeah, the source code control idea would be way over the top for that. So, when would the warning show up? First time you went to save a project after modifying it? First time you open an existing project, something like, "Do you want to open a copy of this project?" Both? --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com exploring the landscape of god http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] wrong synth on segment
On May 16, 2023 8:09:06 PM HST, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: > I will say I use Yoshimi (stand-alone) a _lot_ and always control instrument > parameters from Yoshimi directly. If this is interesting I can go more into > the set-up maybe in another thread. YES! Please. I am considering replacing my 61-key basic Yamaha PSR series keyboard with an 88-key MIDI controller driving Yoshimi, QSynth, and Aeolus and other softsynths. > As an aside, because both Rosegarden _and_ Yoshimi will have upcoming > releases quite soon I was thinking of maybe doing a quick 'how-to' video on > 'quick piece prototyping with Rosegarden and Yoshimi'... If it is interesting > for people :-) Yes, please! --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com exploring the landscape of god http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Thanks to Rosegarden developers and wondering if I'm still on list
On September 2, 2022 11:55:27 PM HST, Will Godfrey wrote: > On Fri, 2 Sep 2022 16:04:08 -1000 > david wrote: > > >So what Raspberry Pi kits do you use? What are your prices? > > > >The Raspberry Pi 400 seems good to me. I like the idea of having a > >keyboard unit and a touch screen. Although something bigger than 7" > >would be better. I have an 8" Samsung tablet. If I can get it working > >again and replace the Samsung Android with /e/os, then it can be used as > >a tablet on other computers. I think they can also be used as a screen. > > Just adding a link, then taking this off list, before the Rosegarden devs > start > jumping up and down! > http://www.musically.me.uk/YoshimiPi/index.html Thanks. But your product does include Rosegarden...so they might not jump up and down too much. --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com exploring the landscape of god http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
[Rosegarden-user] Sorry, haven't seen any email for a couple of days
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] quantizing intelligently
On June 15, 2022 4:04:31 AM HST, "Tom Breton (Tehom)" wrote: > > I use heuristic quantizer after recording a playing session. My problem is > > I'm not good at keeping machine-perfect tempi. (Well, I don't think any > > human can be as precise as MIDI). So it usually needs a lot of tweaking. I > > usually add a new track below the recorded track and manually put new > > notes in the right places on the new track. > > That's what I wrote the FitToBeats command to help fix. Even aside from > keeping machine-perfect tempi, if you use any rubato at all you'll quickly > disagree with the metronome. The idea is that you play it with as much > rubato as you want, then you make Rosegarden's tempo conform to that by > selecting notes on the beats and then FitToBeats. It's been a while so I > don't remember how it got the old notes into the new tempo but there was > something to do it and then it lined up nicely. > > Tom Breton (Tehom) Why, thank you, Tom! I didn't know that command existed at all. :) --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com exploring the landscape of god http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] quantizing intelligently
I use heuristic quantizer after recording a playing session. My problem is I'm not good at keeping machine-perfect tempi. (Well, I don't think any human can be as precise as MIDI). So it usually needs a lot of tweaking. I usually add a new track below the recorded track and manually put new notes in the right places on the new track. When focussed on putting notes into a score, I manually put notes on the score using the mouse pointer. I don't think either quantizer does a good job for scores. Especially if there's more than one melody on a track. Example, 4-part harmony, RG has a propensity for misaliging notes of different durations, like 1/8, 1/4, 1/2. If I have a held half note in the bass and other voices have 1/8 notes, I have to turn the half note into 1/8 notes and tie them together to get melodies aligned right on the score. This happens even if I do them each on a seperate track, then merge tracks together into a single staff. On June 13, 2022 3:09:08 PM HST, prad via Rosegarden-user wrote: > i understand from the wiki that heuristic notation quantization is for > adjusting > "note start times and durations so as to produce readable notation" > > the segment on > Notation from performance data > gives some tips on how to use it, even saying > "Rosegarden includes a quantizer designed to do a slightly better job of this > than > the plain grid quantizer." > > however, i haven't had much luck so far - there is always an excess of rests. > > possibly i'm doing things wrong. > > if i use grid quantization though, i tend to have better results. > > anyone here use an effective system for quantization? > or do most people just use step recording to produce notation? > --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com exploring the landscape of god http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] OT: My (new) sig (was: Re: Documentation, tutorials, videos? [WAS]: Re: Do we want LV2 and jack-midi?)
The Oxford Comma is a vital part of English civilization. On June 13, 2022 12:24:42 PM HST, Al Thompson wrote: > The Oxford Comma is a vital part of written communication. > > > On Mon, Jun 13, 2022, 11:46 AM wrote: > > > On Sunday, June 12, 2022 04:37:03 PM krsg...@trixtar.org wrote: > > > On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 08:07:01 -0400 > > > rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > Thinking about it -- I don't have a sig, I might make that my sig. > > > > > > > > I'm thinking about how to incorporate into it that very short videos > > > > (15 > > > > to 60 seconds, with a minimum of "chatter" by the narrator / "host") > > > > can > > > > be useful in some cases. (Just tell me (either in written text or in > > > > the first 5 seconds what I should be seeing, then show me, maybe > > > > summarize or repeat in slow(er) motion. > > > > Just wanted to try this out, an early attempt at a sig -- I will probably > > continue to "wordsmith" it (I've made several variations already). > > > > Oh, I'm waiting for someone to ask about the Oxford comma -- when they do, > > I'll point out that one company lost $10M due to a missing Oxford comma (I > > can > > provide a link to that -- I don't know if the case has been appealed to > > the > > Supreme Court), and missing Oxford commas may lead to cannabalism (didn't > > look > > for a link to that one -- judicious googling may lead to the humorous > > examples > > (I assume none are true ;-) that involve someone getting eaten or such. > > > > -- > > A picture (or sketch, diagram, or chart) is worth a thousand words -- > > divide > > by 10 for each minute of (or audio) -- or, where feasible, create a > > transcript > > and edit it to 10% of the original! (Oxford comma included in this sig at > > no > > charge.) --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com exploring the landscape of god http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] ROSEGARDEN 22.06 RELEASED
Hurrah, sounds luscious! Time to remember how to compile! On June 8, 2022 11:46:43 AM HST, Ted Felix wrote: > == ROSEGARDEN 22.06 RELEASED == > > The Rosegarden team is proud to announce the release of version 22.06 > of Rosegarden, a MIDI sequencer that features a rich understanding of > music notation along with basic support for digital audio. > > http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/ > > Included in this release... > > = Bug Fixes = > > * Improve Cut/Copy/Delete behavior in both the matrix and the > notation editors. Bug #1601. > * "Scroll to Follow Playback" now remembers its last setting. > Bug #1606. > * Fixed a problem in notation with note selection and the blue > indication. Bug #1496. > * Fixed volume and pan issues with older .rg files. [51647cc] > * Changed "For Notation" to "Exclude from Printing" in the > Segment Parameters. > * Fix confusing relative values in the "Insert Controller Sequence" > dialog for volume and expression. [14ff99a] > * When changing the audio file path, the user is asked whether > they want to move the audio files to the new location. [71a62e6] > * Fix stuck green preview note when switching modes. Bug #1614. > * Fix modified flag (*) not cleared when saving in notation. > Bug #1617. > * Fix RG stopping JACK transport when it shouldn't. Bug #1051. > * Fixed toolbar mode buttons not reflecting current state when > Esc is pressed. Bug #1615. [f651345] > * Notation: Fix green preview only available in one staff. > Bug #1619. > * Fixed issues when building with Qt6. Feature Request #490. > * Fixed bad rendering of note heads at small font sizes. Bug #1484. > * Fixed an endless loop in notation. [7d734f7] > * Improved management of audio file paths. Bug #1283. Feature > Requests #494 and #495. > * Simplify editing of audio instrument label in audio parameters > panel. > * Fixed display bugs in matrix editor. Bug #1622. [b4425d7] > * Fix collapse notes in matrix. Bug #1575. [521ad4e] > * Fix scrollbar issues in main window combo boxes. > Feature Request #502. [abdf22b] > * Fix deletes in the tempo/time signature editor. Bug #1628. > [d55eea5] > * Fix problems editing multiple segments in matrix. Bug #1624. > [8c1c6bc] > * Notation: fix crash when segment is deleted. Bug #1260. [cf0a28d] > * Notation: fix crash when undoing an Add Layer. Bug #1260. > [7a1b6bf] > * Notation: fix note move issue. Bug #1629. [ba70dcf] > * Fix lilypond export sometimes ignores time signature. Bug #1620. > [b7b16df] > * Fix hairpins not always exported to LilyPond. Bug #1620. > [f57cbd9] > * Fix missing "StartupWMClass" in .desktop file. Bug #1635. > [d3f5298] > * Fix chord ruler. Bug #1633. [2b2fbf7] > * Fix Event Filter dialog clearing selection on first launch. > [52c2f90] > * Fix lilypond common/cut time signatures. Bug #1637. [1c83f8b] > * Fix a crash when unquantizing using the quantize combo box on the > editors. [329ab46] > * Fix a crash when resizing segments. Bug #1638. [cdec668] > * Fix a refresh issue when using the toolbar undo button. [2a01178] > > = New Features = > > * Stop playback at end of last segment. (Preference.) > * Advanced Looping. (Experimental preference.) Bug #1605. > * Keyboard shortcut editor. Feature Request #412. > > = Additional Contributors = > > * Michael Stockinger (www.stockinger.org) - German Translation > * Kevin Cole - Yamaha PSR-220/230 device file > > Ted. > > > ___ > Rosegarden-user mailing list > Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com exploring the landscape of god http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail.___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Do we want LV2 and jack-midi?
On June 8, 2022 8:06:45 AM HST, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote: > On Wed, 8 Jun 2022 14:31:26 +0200 > Lorenzo Sutton wrote: > > > I'm wondering if, maybe after the next release, it would make sense to > > have some addendums to the current documentation which in some cases > > might be a bit dated, e.g. advising to use plugins, with especially DSSI > > not being the most maintained in distributions. Even the more 'current' > > formats like videos? I think this should be a user community effort and > > I always wondered if they'd be useful or not... > > I second that, but I also understand the devs' dilema i.e. to code or to > explain? Well, as a former technical writer, I've noticed the big shortage of documentation in the open-source universe...not just for Rosegarden. Michael did a great job on the original Rosegarden manual, but that hasn't been updated. > What I do notice often is that a really valiant effort is made to teach > landing on Mars > without first showing how to hit escape-velocity back here in Earth orbit > before leaving, > if you know what I mean :-))) Yes. The very basic issue of getting sound out of audio-creation tools in Linux, for instance. > Case in point, qjackctl: the assumption seems to be made that users are > already > familiar with hardware connections. "I" have NEVER connected any hardware > other > than my guitar fx_board into the sound-card 1/4" Line-In jack, so when "I" > look at > that fancy connections graph I wear the remaining hear of my head scratching > it. >TOTALLY lost, guesswork from beginning to end! The connections graphs work for me, perhaps I'm more visual? I use Audacity instead of Ardour because I never got sound out of Ardour. Ardour's design seems to be built around the proven, industry-standard giant mixer board - great if you're fluent in audio engineering. Not so great for simpler uses! I also couldn't make heads or tails out of connecting things in Ardour. That was years ago, presumably Ardour's gotten better at it. Maybe an optional "Beginner's First Setup" wizard runs, a series of questions such as "Here's a list of your sound outputs - which do you want to use for your default output?" Maybe Rosegarden could do something similar? > My 2 cents, LOVE rosegarden btw. Me, too! Very useful hybrid that makes sense to me because I can approach it from a place I understand: music notation. If I were going to vote for features and future development, I'd vote for improving the notation editor and better score handling. But apparently that's now passé, and tools like Denemo do it so much better, so why bother? Do people actually "write" music anymore, or just "sequence" it or keep it as projects in their DAWs? Or am I just a dinosaur? I'll be retiring next month, so maybe I am a dinosaur. --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com exploring the landscape of god http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Matrix Editor Improvements (editing multiple segments)
On April 19, 2022 9:21:33 AM HST, Will Godfrey wrote: > On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 09:38:16 -0700 > mark_at_yahoo via Rosegarden-user > wrote: > > >On 4/15/22 3:04 AM, Will Godfrey wrote: > >> As a compulsive matrix-er I'll give this a run :) > > > >Thanks, Will. Matrix Editor FTW! ;) I'm interested in any > >feedback/suggestions you'd care to provide. > > > >There's quite a bit more in the pipeline, some of which can be seen at: > > > >https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/bugs/ > >https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/feature-requests/ > > > >Including: > > > >Bug #1623 Matrix Editor: MIDI output should play active segment's instrument > >Feature #501 Unified Matrix/Percussion Editor > >Feature #503 Matrix Editor note colors > >Feature #504 Matrix Editor: Change active segment, alternate tools, > >context-sensitive actions > >Feature #500 Matrix Editor grid highlight modes > > > >Again, I'd be interested in your comments -- and any bug reports :( -- > >if and when these make it out into the world and you have the chance to > >test them. You could also take a pre-release look via the git branches on: > > > >https://sourceforge.net/u/thanks4opensrc/rosegarden/ci/master/tree/ > > > >They're slightly out of date but I should be pushing a lot of new code > >to there in the next few days. > > Being a bit busy myself, I can't really dedicate time to this, but will keep a > watch out generally. I'm using the Rosegarden matrix window pretty much > constantly, so should hit anything bad sooner or later. I'll let you know > if/when I do! I don't use the matrix window (I prefer seeing scores), I'm considering some ideas that might actually be easier to do in the matrix window. > >> Something I've been meaning to as for some time is (in view->rulers) > >> whether > >> some of the less used controller types such as reverb and chorus could be > >> replaced with arbitrary user definable types. I frequently MIDI-learn > >> Yoshimi's > >> internal controls and this would make things a lot easier. > > > >That's an interesting idea. You might want to write it up a an official > >Feature Request. I don't know if I'll be able to attempt implementing it > >as my interest in Rosegarden and the Matrix Editor is more geared > >towards music theory as compared to your very impressive music > >production on bandcamp. In particular, I'd like to do some work > >improving the Chord Name Ruler vs the more performance-oriented > >controllers you describe. > > Feature request now there :) > Something I didn't mention, because it's somewhat specialised and probably a > non starter, would be the ability to draw curves, rather than have straight > lines. Hey, I like drawing curves! > >Off-topic, I haven't had much luck with Yoshimi, or rather its > >predecessor zynaddsubfx. I've had much more luck with Yoshimi than Zyaddsubfx. > You've done some amazing work with the former, > >so maybe I'll ask you for some tips about using either/both of them. ;) > > Careful what you wish for. Once people start me off on Yoshimi they sometimes > have a hard time getting me to stop :) And so far the results are wonderful! > -- > Will J Godfrey > https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ > http://yoshimi.github.io > Say you have a poem and I have a tune. > Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. I have both. Will see about contacting you off-list! --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com exploring the landscape of god http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Improve the parameter knobs
Thanks. I wasn't aware of the right-click feature. So keep double-click as is, try bigger knobs. On February 13, 2022 4:11:31 PM HST, Ted Felix wrote: >Currently, the knobs work as follows: > > - Right-click resets to default. > - Center-click sets to center (64 usually). > - Double-click allows for specification of a precise value. > > Ted. > > On 2/13/22 12:02 PM, AV via Rosegarden-user wrote: > > I would like the parameter knobs on the track and instrument parameters > > to be bigger so that they can be easier to use, especially when they > > have something as important as volume control; I think they're just too > > small. And it would be good if double clicking would reset the knobs to > > their default position. --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com exploring the landscape of god http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Improve the parameter knobs
I like the double click to reset. I use RG on a 4K display, so it will be interesting seeing the usefulness of the larger knobs. Toggle buttons for on/off make sense to me. On February 13, 2022 2:49:43 PM HST, Ted Felix wrote: >Thanks for the input. I've opened Feature Request 499 to track this: > > https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/feature-requests/499/ > > Ted. > > On 2/13/22 12:02 PM, AV via Rosegarden-user wrote: > > I would like the parameter knobs on the track and instrument parameters > > to be bigger so that they can be easier to use, especially when they > > have something as important as volume control; I think they're just too > > small. And it would be good if double clicking would reset the knobs to > > their default position. --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com exploring the landscape of god http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Audio File Location Issue
Makes perfect sense to me! On January 27, 2022 4:09:04 PM HST, Ted Felix wrote: >To solve the audio file location issue (i.e. why is everything always > just dumped in ~/rosegarden), I was thinking we could have a dialog pop > up when saving with audio files for the first time. It would ask where > you would like the audio files saved and provide the following options: > > - To an "audio" directory where the document is saved. (./audio) >(Recommended.) (default) > > - To a directory named after the document in the directory where the >document is saved. (./document name) > > - To the same directory where the document is saved. (.) > > - To a central audio file repository. (~/rosegarden-audio) > >It might also have a "go with this from now on" option to avoid > showing the dialog ever again. > >I think this (along with switching to > "~/.local/share/rosegarden/audio" for audio files before saving) would > satisfy all the issues described in the bugs and feature requests > related to audio paths: > > https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/bugs/1283/ > https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/feature-requests/494/ > https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/feature-requests/495/ > >Any objections before I dig into this? The pop-up at save time is > the most annoying thing, but you really only need to configure it for > your preferred way of working once and that will be the default from > then on. > > Ted. --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com exploring the landscape of god http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] qjackctl & audio recording
On August 27, 2021 3:30:56 PM HST, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote: > > There's a bit of qJackctl footwork required > each time in order to get an armed RG audio > track to record a segment playback. > > Qsynth RG > left >Rec IN L > right >Rec IN R > > RG Sys > mast out L> PlyBck 1 > mast out R> PlyBck 2 > rec mon out L > PlyBck 1 > rec mon out R > PlyBck 2 > > https://tinyurl.com/dmawy493 > > > But I still can't get in going (it used > to work before). All I get is an empty > *.wav file in the "Manage Audio Files" > dialog. > > What am I missing? Hmm, can't all that be set up in your RG studio? --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Wandering Windows
I've never noticed. I use XFCE, but my Rosegarden window is always maximized. On August 9, 2021 1:27:07 PM HST, Patrick May wrote: > I agree with Dr. Michael McIntyre. It doesn't look like there is much > that can be done here. > > On 09/08/2021 05:23, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > > On 8/8/21 8:39 PM, Ted Felix wrote: > >> It's not wandering for me under GNOME. Not sure there's anything > >> we can do here. > > > > As I recall, we use a standard Qt mechanism in a totally standard way to > > set all this. If it doesn't actually work as advertised, what can we > > really do? --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Alternative hardware
On April 20, 2021 5:46:46 AM HST, Will Godfrey wrote: > > Has anyone tried compiling Rosegarden for the Raspberry Pi4? > If so, what is the absolute minimum required to get it up and running? > I would expect it to be extremely slow to compile :( Hmm. Couldn't you cross-compile - compile for ARM/PI 4 on your Intel? --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] beginners question : getting sound
On February 8, 2021 6:35:09 PM HST, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote: > On Mon, 8 Feb 2021 17:19:58 -1000 > david wrote: > > > On 2/8/21 1:00 PM, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote: > > > On Mon, 8 Feb 2021 14:05:04 +0100 > > > Tom Peters wrote: > > > > > >> Chuck, Michael, Lorenzo: > > >> thank you very much for your input. > > >> Michael, Lorenzo, I share your sentiment. I think it is fair now > in the > > >> 22nd year of the 21st century to expect from a computer > application: > > >> 1) that the package management system like apt is configured that > an > > >> application will get all its dependencies so that it will > actually work; > > >> 2) that an application is configured with sensible defaults so > that it > > >> actually works out of the box. > > > agreed > > > > > > I sympathize with the devs who want to > > > just improve the product that is but its > > > extremely frustrating to have to hunt for > > > basics. Let's not forget that a user may > > > well be a novice to both musicware AND Linux. > > > Again, I wanna stress that I'm trying to > > > throw pebbles but leaving earth orbit should > > > kinda come before nuclear sails or mars > > > landings. Is it THAT difficult to hardwire > > > SOME minimal sound ability if only to show > > > that the right software is being tried? > > > Other apps can do it, at least at some > > > rudimentary level at first. > > > > So far, PulseAudio seems to have basic sound sorted out upon > > installation - if you only have one audio device and want to use it > for > > everything. > > > > Package management systems depend on humans to specify what to > include > > in or require for a package. The package maintainers decide how > heavy or > > light they want their package to be. Say your package wants MIDI > output. > > Does it require a particular MIDI output application like Timidity, > > Fluidsynth, Qsynth, etc? Do you make that application a requirement > for > > someone that already has another MIDI output set up on their system? > Do > > you make it optional so someone that installs just the application > has > > no MIDI output after installation and has to install/configure yet > > another application? > > > > Also, what's a "sensible default" vs something that someone else > might > > consider a headache or bloatware? On all my systems, PulseAudio my > > systems defaulted to one form or another of on-board audio - either > the > > built-in hardware connected to laptop speakers/headphone jack, or > HDMI. > > The PA default was useless on one system, a headache to deal with on > my > > main laptop, and suitable only on the netbook. None of my HDMI > monitors > > include speakers, so no sound output. > > > > Doing pro audio/MIDI is not in the same league as just playing MP3s > or > > Youtube videos. I read about some of the MIDI setups people on the > list > > have - multiple hardware synths, external keyboards, multichannel > sound > > cards, softsynths running on multiple machines, etc. Seems to me > like > > there's *no* "sensible default" that would apply to every situation. > > > > I remember discussion years back in the RG world: should RG require > > Lilypond for printing scores. > > > > I have a friend, singer/songwriter, that's exclusively used Windows > > audio systems setup by professional techs. It seems to me that not > even > > Windows has it sorted out if you need a professional to set up your > > Windows audio system! > > > Ok, I guess I wrote something that asks for it, > should have written > > "I wanna stress that I'm _NOT_ trying to throw pebbles" :) > > If it were MY watch I'd make it make a sound, > however unsophisticated, until the user can > sort things out. I understand, I wasn't referring to any 'pebble throwing' about anything. Sorry if my response sounded like that. My intent was that "making a sound" isn't always very simple. The flexibility makes things difficult for "default" assumptions. Perhaps an initial setup "wizard" that lists available audio outputs, inputs, MIDI ports, asks user for what to use by default, offers a button to test, lets user change/test until working? --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] A small request
Hmm, useful if not set to remove references automatically. More useful: Show me which ones have been moved, let me right-click it, then give me the option to remove the orphaned reference or change the location by navigating to the new target. The ability to do this may be dependent on the user's desktop enviroment. When I used OS/2 Warp ages ago, IBM'S Workplace Shell automatically updated the target of any link/shortcut whenever you moved the target file. I don't think any Linux desktop environment does that. Neither does Windows. Don't know about the Mac UI. On January 22, 2021 10:48:52 AM HST, Will Godfrey wrote: > When Rosegarden scans the 'recent' list, can it please check the > existence of a > file, and if it's not there remove it from its list? > > I frequently start projects in a development directory, and when > complete move > them into a 'done' one, which leaves these orphan references behind. > > -- > Will J Godfrey > http://www.musically.me.uk > http://yoshimi.github.io > Say you have a poem and I have a tune. > Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. > > > ___ > Rosegarden-user mailing list > Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to > unsubscribe > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail.___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] ROSEGARDEN 20.12 (Altissimo) RELEASED
Once I have a DEB or RPM package, I have a running executable without the needless bloat of duplicated libraries. I haven't tried an appimage for over a year. The appimage version of the app crashed and burned. *The same version installed from a DEB worked fine.* I think that adding another layer of complexity is not the way to stability. I'm also allergic to the idea that an ordinary user can just download an appimage, make it executable, and run it. Could you make an appimage for RG releases? On December 9, 2020 6:29:53 PM HST, r...@hydrophones.com wrote: > Seems to me, that once one has a running executable, getting an > AppImage is straightforward: > > https://appimage.org/ > > > > > For those that like AppImages, SNAPS, flatpacks and other such > wasteful > > (IMHO) things: have fun with them. > > > > I've been unable to make them reliably work on my Debian system and > don't > > see any value I trying to make them work. I would much rather have > > developers put their time into developing RG and provide proven > packages > > like DEB (covers all Debian derivatives) and RPM. I think RG is only > > distributed as source right now, right? > > > > I've been able to compile RG, including dev snapshots without > > problems. > > Sorting out dependencies was a one-time thing for me. I don't think > > RG's dependencies change very often. > > > > Perhaps the "dependency hell" was more due to dated documentation on > > the RG website about dependencies and compiling? > > > > On December 9, 2020 1:52:57 PM HST, r...@hydrophones.com wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> Thanks to the whole team for your continuing efforts to improve > >> Rosegarden. > >> > >> One thing, however, I would like to see happen: the release of > >> Rosegarden > >> as an AppImage so users with work machines not connected to the > >> Internet > >> and perhaps not as up to date as developer machines, can run the > >> latest > >> Rosegarden. The last few times I tried compiling from source I > >> rapidly > >> found myself in "dependency hell". Some other large Linux audio > >> applications such as LMMS are already making an AppImage available > >> with > >> their most recent releases. > >> > >> Thanks again, > >> > >> Stay safe all, > >> > >> Rich Marschall --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] ROSEGARDEN 20.12 (Altissimo) RELEASED
For those that like AppImages, SNAPS, flatpacks and other such wasteful (IMHO) things: have fun with them. I've been unable to make them reliably work on my Debian system and don't see any value I trying to make them work. I would much rather have developers put their time into developing RG and provide proven packages like DEB (covers all Debian derivatives) and RPM. I think RG is only distributed as source right now, right? I've been able to compile RG, including dev snapshots without problems. Sorting out dependencies was a one-time thing for me. I don't think RG's dependencies change very often. Perhaps the "dependency hell" was more due to dated documentation on the RG website about dependencies and compiling? On December 9, 2020 1:52:57 PM HST, r...@hydrophones.com wrote: > Hi all, > > Thanks to the whole team for your continuing efforts to improve > Rosegarden. > > One thing, however, I would like to see happen: the release of > Rosegarden > as an AppImage so users with work machines not connected to the > Internet > and perhaps not as up to date as developer machines, can run the > latest > Rosegarden. The last few times I tried compiling from source I > rapidly > found myself in "dependency hell". Some other large Linux audio > applications such as LMMS are already making an AppImage available > with > their most recent releases. > > Thanks again, > > Stay safe all, > > Rich Marschall > > > > > > The Rosegarden team is proud to announce the release of version > 20.12 > > of Rosegarden, a MIDI sequencer that features a rich understanding > of > > music notation along with basic support for digital audio. > > > >http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/ > > > > Included in this release... > > > > = Bug Fixes = > > > >* Fix QPainterPath compilation error (r15845) > >* Fixed several SysEx-related bugs in the Event editor (r15853) > > * SysEx load now remembers the last used path. > > * SysEx load now strips the F0/F7 bytes from the file when > reading. > > * SysEx save now remembers the last used path. > > * SysEx save now fills in the FileDialog fields correctly. > > * SysEx save now adds the F0/F7 bytes to the data before > saving. > >* Event Editor: Fix garbage on SysEx load error (r15855) > >* Event Parameter Dialog: Fix incorrect window title (r15857) > >* Fix length of notes added in percussion matrix (r15870) > >* Fix compilation error with Qt < 5.8 (r15872, r15896, others) > >* Fix issues with ALSA port name matching at file load (r15875, > > r15879, r15893-r15895, r15906, r15909) > >* Fix "&" in device name renders file unreadable. Bug #1586. > (r15886) > >* Matrix editor: Fix control rulers not appearing. Bug #1543. > > (r15887) > >* Event editor: Fix crashes when editing (r15899, r15902, r15903) > >* Reduce connection check interval to 1 second (r15912) > >* Fix external controller port not working (r15915, r15916, > r15919, > > r15927, r15929) > >* Fix ALSA timer selection persistence (r15936) > >* Fix disabled button text color (r15938) > >* Fix plugins not found (r15947) > >* Send proper CCs out the external controller port for motorized > > control surfaces. Bug #1587. (r15952, r15954) > >* Fix unwanted CCs going out with old files. Feature #482. > (r15961) > >* Fix slow load time with many segments. Bug #1589. (r16026) > > > > = New Features = > > > >* Enable/Disable external controller port in the preferences > (r15932, > > r15946, others) > >* Transport buttons (play, stop, etc...) on MIDI controllers are > now > > supported so long as they use Pro Tools standard CCs (110-118). > > Feature #423. (r15962-r15964) > >* Korg nanoKONTROL2 support (r15994-r16013, r16015, r16016, > r16021) > > > > = Significant Code Cleanups = > > > >* Icon Loader (r15862-r15865, r15868) > >* New ExternalController class (r15922) > >* Preferences dialog (r15939-r15944) > >* ALSA MIDI interface (r15975-r15993) > > > > = Additional Contributors = > > > >* Michael Stockinger (www.stockinger.org) - German Translation > >* Hugo van Galen - Help with bug #1586 and #1543. > >* Piotr Golonka - Roland-Fantom-678.rgd > >* Arthur Baran - Casio-PX-5S.rgd > > > > > > ___ > > Rosegarden-user mailing list &
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Canon like midis?
The I, IV, V chords? Those cover every note in the scale. On November 24, 2020 6:01:31 AM HST, msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca wrote: > On Tue, 24 Nov 2020, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote: > > songs of a particular nature: ones that use > > all of but only the standard chords for the > > key in question. I would then transpose a few > > How do you define "the standard chords" for a key? The obvious thing > that > occurs to me would be the seven triads that can be made with the scale > degrees (three major, three minor, and one diminished); but the > dominant > seventh chord is not on that list and is probably more commonly-used > than > the diminished triad. > > -- > Matthew Skala > msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca People before tribes. > https://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/ > > > ___ > Rosegarden-user mailing list > Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to > unsubscribe > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail.___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Crucial: Help needed with Rosegarden Crashing:
Hey, Michael! Long time no hear but yeah 80 hour weeks are killers... Ideas for our original poster to possibly produce an alternative 'backup' recording. If recording audio, start a jack_record command line session with the "-jt" option. When you start Rosegarden recording, jack_record will also be recording the audio. If recording MIDI, have an amidi command line session running with the "-r" option followed by a filename? That will record a file containing same midi events as Rosegarden. If Rosegarden crashes, it won't affect what those have recorded unless it takes down the whole computer. On August 10, 2020 6:05:22 PM HST, "D. Michael McIntyre" wrote: >On 8/10/20 8:37 PM, liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote: > >> Rosegarden crashes deleting my recording in the process. >> >> This is painful. Those ideas wont come around again. Lost forever. > >I very definitely feel your pain here. It happened to me more times >than >I want to remember. So much creativity right out the window. One of the >most frustrating things we used to have was this stupid composition of >preset length. You're playing along, in the pocket, really coming up >with great ideas, and then WHAM, it just stops recording! I got that to >go away a long time ago, but the memories of all those notes still >linger. > >Anyway, for the most part, Rosegarden is vastly more stable than it >used >to be. Thanks in great measure to Ted Felix coming along, and making >diligent and methodical efforts to improve this sort of thing. He was >generally very successful, but I guess we've experienced some kind of >regression. > >All you can really do is start using a debug build from an environment >that allows core dumps. > >The usual thing is to start running from development source, from a >debug environment. It's not absolutely necessary to run from >development >source, but it will help you in the long run. If the crash is >repeatable >(we hope it is!) and somebody (Ted Felix most likely) fixes it, then >you will want to be in a position to test the result. > >Here are the instructions from the wiki: > >How to get devel source: >https://www.rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/development_from_svn > >How to get a stack trace for a crash > >First, make sure you are running a version of rosegarden that was built > >with debugging turned on. > >-DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug > >Without debugging, there will be no symbols in the binary, and the >backtrace will be useless. You'll likely need to build rosegarden on >your own to get a debug version. Instructions can be found here: Using >the Eclipse IDE to work on Rosegarden > >Open a terminal window, and check to ensure that applications will be >able to produce core dumps. The exact command and syntax may vary from >shell to shell, but for bash it is ulimit -a: > >$ ulimit -a >core file size (blocks, -c) 0 >data seg size (kbytes, -d) unlimited >scheduling priority (-e) 20 >... > >The above example is quite typical for an end-user desktop system. >Having the “core file size” set to 0 prevents the creation of very >large >core dump files in unexpected places, and is generally a good thing. >However, this also prevents you from generating a stack trace. You need > >to change the limit to something larger than 0, but many systems >prevent >you from setting this to unlimited, so we suggest > >$ ulimit -c 100 > >Now start a debug version of rosegarden from the command line, and >reproduce the crash. You should now have a core file in your current >directory. The core file is either named core or core.. > >Run gdb: > >$ gdb rosegarden > >Then once you get the gdb prompt, use the command 'bt' to get the stack > >trace, and mail it to the authors or to the Rosegarden development >mailing list, or include it in a bug report. > > >Anyway, I hope this helps. I haven't been involved with development for > >quite a number of years now, and I'm semi-retired. I still monitor >things, and still care. It's just my life went in a different >direction, >I guess. Especially in terms of working hours. When I was most >passionate about Rosegarden, and most active, I had the luxury of >making >a decent living working only 45 hours per week. Now it's closer to 80 >with my commute. > >Anyhoo brother, if I could turn back the hands of time and save your >ideas from getting obliterated, I would. I really hate it for you. So >much so that you inspired me to write the longest message I've posted >in >probably going on 10 years. > >-- >D. Michael McIntyre > > >
Re: [Rosegarden-user] a duo of ethicall questions
On August 9, 2020 11:21:37 PM HST, "D. Michael McIntyre" wrote: >As the owner of a copyright, I can say I really don't care if you steal >my stuff, because the people who create things don't make money from >their creations anyway. > >Just don't steal anything from the Beatles. Fuck the Beatles! Or Metallica. They do protect their stuff. --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Fixed Midi Configuration Setup
Hmm, I thought that was set under Studio settings? Set up your studio, save it as your default studio? On August 6, 2020 11:37:52 AM HST, liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote: >Every time I start Rosegarden after USB devices were shut down, >Rosegarden comes up being connected to absurd devices and lost all its >midi device configs > >Is there not a way to PIN Rosegarden to a specific device ? >This morning when I started up Rosegarden, it connected itself toan APC > >MINI Pad controller for inout and My Motif Keyboard for Output. >It was however confiogured with an UNO Midisport before that. > >Is there not a way to make midi device configurations permanent ? >This takes an awful amount of unnecessary time to reconfigure every >day. --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] [Solved] CPU load rises when Rosegarden is idle
Hmm, maybe with your old "unfavorable" settings the new auto routing change process was still running? re: CPU load > 100%. The joys of multicore processors. On my old i7 (4 core + hyperthreading), htop could show CPU usage hitting 400% or more. The i9 (8 core + HT) I have now can hit 100% on each core/thread, with htop showing a total of 1600% during heavy panorama stitch jobs. What processor do you have? Even the lowly Pentium 4 in my server box has 2 cores. On August 6, 2020 11:16:01 AM HST, MST wrote: >Hi Ted! >My "unfavorable" settings in the recording parameter menu (all midi >input devices, all channels, midi through auto routing) are causing a >cpu load of 104% according to "top" - didn't know that is possible :-) >Choosing only one midi input device, one fixed midi channel and midi >auto routing to off solves this problem. >Thank you and cheers, Michael >= >Try using the "top" command (at the command line) to make sure >Rosegarden is to blame. It will show you the processes that are using >the most CPU. > >Ted. >= >Hi there! >Does anybody experience this behaviour too: >Since the latest commitments (code version 1589x - 15904) the cpu load >rises strongly (in my case 45-60% and more) when Rosegarden is idle and >in QJackCtl a lot of xruns are generated. After loading a song into >Rosegarden and starting to play this song the CPU load falls again >(maybe 5%) and no more xruns are generated. > >I am using Debian 10 with a RT-kernel. Ardour and other Softwares >behave properly, so I think it is Rosegarden. I didn't see this >behaviour before the latest ALSA-Midi-Port commitments where added >(code version 1588x). > >Greetings Michael --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] midi commands from Rosegarden
My interpretation of Alexandre's post below is you create separate events for each value to send - two CC events to set the MSB and LSB values, then a Program Change. That would send three succesive MIDI values, yes? Knowing nothing about this level of MIDI, I'm just trying to make sense of things and hope it helps. On August 4, 2020 4:04:47 PM HST, liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote: >I will make it easier to understand >I want to send data as follows see the image below. >What is in red I want to have sent. >There is no way to configure an event to do this, although the 3 word >instruction is standard for synths, but Rosegarden has all 3 the fields > >but there is no way in the editor I can enter all three values. >The event editor only allows me to enter the first two values. > >That is the problem. >How do I get around this ? > >"https://i.imgur.com/uDXF9Py.png; > > >On 2020-08-04 05:24, Alexandre DENIS wrote: >> On Tue, 04 Aug 2020 04:35:10 -0400 >> liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote: >> >>> I reversed engineered all the patch select midi and I can change to >>> any patch I want through Midi Ox. So, I know the exact midi >commands. >>> Dont worry about the values I have them all covere. >>> >>> My problem is to enter an event at the start of the track so it >plays >>> that patch rfor the entire patch >>> >>> Unfortunately there is no way in the event editor to enter all three >>> values for the controller function. Only two is seemingly allowed. >>> >>> The third is labeled but never used. the advanced configuration also >>> dont allow the third value. >>> >>> It doesnt seem Rosegarden can do it, ubless someone can show me how >>> to edit an even to include all three the fields as show in the event >>> editor namely >>> >>> Type(Data1) Type(Data1) Value(Data2) >>> >>> "https://i.imgur.com/5im3AQH.png; >>> >>> Or ANY way to send three successive midi values >>> >> >> Hello, >> >> You have to send 3 separate MIDI messages, each with one data: >> -- MIDI CC #0 for bank MSB >> -- MIDI CC #32 for bank LSB >> -- Program Change for Number. >> >> -a. --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden source make error
Hmmm, the newest version is 20.06, not 19.12, yes? https://rosegardenmusic.com/getting/source/ On June 18, 2020 11:21:37 PM HST, liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote: >Trying to install the newest version of rosegarden from source. > >Make exists with the following errors. >Any idea what is causing it. >I cannot see any dependency problem. > > > >[100%] Building CXX object >src/CMakeFiles/rosegarden.dir/gui/application/main.cpp.o >/home/testuser/Downloads/rosegarden/rosegarden-19.12/src/gui/application/main.cpp: > >In function ‘void convert(const QStringList&)’: >/home/testuser/Downloads/rosegarden/rosegarden-19.12/src/gui/application/main.cpp:352:18: > >error: no matching function for call to >‘Rosegarden::RosegardenDocument::RosegardenDocument(std::nullptr_t, >std::nullptr_t, bool, bool, bool)’ > false); // m_useSequencer > ^ >In file included from >/home/testuser/Downloads/rosegarden/rosegarden-19.12/src/gui/application/main.cpp:22:0: >/home/testuser/Downloads/rosegarden/rosegarden-19.12/src/document/RosegardenDocument.h:105:5: > >note: candidate: >Rosegarden::RosegardenDocument::RosegardenDocument(const >Rosegarden::RosegardenDocument&) > RosegardenDocument(const RosegardenDocument ); > ^~ >/home/testuser/Downloads/rosegarden/rosegarden-19.12/src/document/RosegardenDocument.h:105:5: > >note: candidate expects 1 argument, 5 provided >/home/testuser/Downloads/rosegarden/rosegarden-19.12/src/document/RosegardenDocument.h:98:5: > >note: candidate: >Rosegarden::RosegardenDocument::RosegardenDocument(QObject*, >QSharedPointer, bool, bool, bool) > RosegardenDocument(QObject *parent, > ^~ >/home/testuser/Downloads/rosegarden/rosegarden-19.12/src/document/RosegardenDocument.h:98:5: > >note: no known conversion for argument 2 from ‘std::nullptr_t’ to >‘QSharedPointer’ >src/CMakeFiles/rosegarden.dir/build.make:62: recipe for target >'src/CMakeFiles/rosegarden.dir/gui/application/main.cpp.o' failed >make[2]: *** [src/CMakeFiles/rosegarden.dir/gui/application/main.cpp.o] > >Error 1 >CMakeFiles/Makefile2:172: recipe for target >'src/CMakeFiles/rosegarden.dir/all' failed >make[1]: *** [src/CMakeFiles/rosegarden.dir/all] Error 2 >Makefile:140: recipe for target 'all' failed >make: *** [all] Error 2 --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Fuzzy Quantisation
On May 23, 2020 11:19:18 PM HST, Will Godfrey wrote: >Has anyone thought of this? 'Hard' quantisation tends to take the life >out of >an otherwise mostly OK performance. > >My guess is that you could apply something like a square law to the >error >quantity so that notes that are furthest away would get the most >adjustment. >Also, the ability to dial in the degree of correction being applied. > >Possible? Sounds fantastically useful to me, too! --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] LV2... Why?
Hmm. How is polyphonic aftertouch different from regular aftertouch? Not that I have a keyboard that supports aftertouch, but someday I'll get one. On March 15, 2020 9:50:31 AM HST, Will Godfrey wrote: >On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 20:06:27 -0400 >Ted Felix wrote: > >>On 3/12/20 3:25 AM, Will Godfrey wrote: >>> People want it so that they can use various effects and instrument >plugins, >>> some of which don't have stand-alone versions. >> >> Thanks, Will. >> >> BTW, have you been working with the latest svn? Some recent >changes >>might affect you. Hopefully you have time to run it through the >wringer. >> >>Ted. > >I've been somewhat tied up with Yoshi stuff at the moment, but I'll try >to find >time to give it a spin. > >P.S. Advance warning! > >I'm currently working on polyphonic aftertouch, and as far as I can >tell there >is no controller support for this in Rosegarden. > >-- >Will J Godfrey >http://www.musically.me.uk >Say you have a poem and I have a tune. >Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. > > >___ >Rosegarden-user mailing list >Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to >unsubscribe >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail.___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] ROSEGARDEN 19.12, codename "Yesterday" RELEASED
Stay safe, Rich Marschall! On December 13, 2019 11:17:06 PM HST, r...@hydrophones.com wrote: >Hi all, > >This is great news. Hopefully I get to try it. Busy right now >fighting >fires (literally) in the Blue Mountains of NSW Australia. > >Wishing all of you the best. > >Regards, > >Rich Marschall > > >> The Rosegarden team is proud to announce the release of version 19.12 >> of Rosegarden, a MIDI sequencer that features a rich understanding of >> music notation along with basic support for digital audio. >> >>http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/ >> >> Included in this release... >> >> = Bug Fixes = >> >>* Fix synth plugin Send Test Note button (r15502) >>* Plugin Editor: Fix Send Test Note not sustaining (r15511) >>* Treat Left + Right mouse buttons as Middle button in Matrix and >> Notation editors (r15522) >>* Matrix: Fix no update on delete. Bug #1569. (r15616) >>* Fix missing metronome beat when expanding end during recording >> (r15621) >>* Style: Make QLineEdit text gray when disabled (r15631) >>* Fix transposing keys by interval (r15632) >>* RMW: Reduce calls to leave/enterActionState() (r15641) >> >> = New Features = >> >>* Matrix Editor: Implement new auto-scroll behavior (r15525 - >r15544) >>* Segment Canvas: Implement new auto-scroll behavior >> (r15546 - r15551) >>* Notation Editor: Implement new auto-scroll behavior >> (r15553 - r1) >>* Add --convert command line option (r15607) >>* Add quaver triplet to standard quantizations (r15613) >>* Quantize: Add arbitrary quantization units. Feature #477. >(r15630) >>* Preferences: Allow dangerous operations during playback. >> Feature #478. (r15643, r15646, r15647, r15651) >>* Add ability to enable metronome during count-in and >enable/disable >> during recording. Feature #453. (r15649) >> >> = Significant Code Cleanups = >> >>* Segment Parameters box cleanup (r15562 - r15597, r15604) >>* Replace FastVector with std::vector (r15609) >>* Quantize dialog cleanup (r15611 - r15614, r15617 - r15620, >> r15623 - r15629) >>* Preferences cleanup (r15634 - r15640) >> >> = Additional Contributors = >> >>* Hubert Figuiere >>* lman >>* David P. Sicilia >> >> Ted. >> >> >> ___ >> Rosegarden-user mailing list >> Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to >unsubscribe >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user >> > > > > >___ >Rosegarden-user mailing list >Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to >unsubscribe >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail.___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden and qsynth
On November 25, 2019 9:09:22 PM HST, "D. Michael McIntyre" wrote: >On 11/26/19 12:07 AM, Ted Felix wrote: > >> easier to see. This is how I was able to improve rg performance >> significantly. > >Just to jump in here randomly... Ted, you really impressed me with how > >much you did improve performance, with so little downside it's kind of >ridiculous. You, sir, are truly a shining example of your craft, and I > >nod to you out of deep respect. > >Also, I haven't gotten on it yet at all, but I am kind of casually >meandering toward tackling the 4k challenge, and I will probably diddle >the GUI before the end of 2020. That would be nice since I plan to be receiving a machine with such a display capability. --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden and qsynth
On November 22, 2019 10:59:42 AM HST, Ted Felix wrote: >On 11/20/19 10:56 AM, Will Godfrey wrote: >> There was one thing that grabbed my attention. That was when you say >> Zyn uses a lot of CPU when idling. >> >> I very much doubt that. > > I'm looking right at it. I see an idling fluidsynth using 1%, jackd > (which is never idling) using 2%, and an idling zynaddsubfx (3.0.3) > using 35% cpu. Hmm, that Zyn using its new GUI? > Yoshimi 1.5.6 uses 20% cpu when idling. Have never noticed Yoshi's CPU use. --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden and qsynth
On November 19, 2019 8:19:17 AM HST, Ted Felix wrote: >On 11/18/19 6:15 PM, Tim Burgess via Rosegarden-user wrote: >> If I start rosegarden, I can see messages go by and the Qsynth1 light > >> flash, but no audio. When I exit rosegarden, I get a blare of sound (as >> if all notes sent are played at once). > > Sounds like the events aren't actually being consumed by fluidsynth >and are piling up. I see this behavior if I press keys on my keyboard >before launching rg. Then they all appear at once. > >> I'd appreciate any input/thoughts about how to resolve this. > > I don't know a lot about qsynth, but it sounds like it might be a >good idea to run fluidsynth without qsynth to see if that helps at all. Another option: Use the fluidsynth DSSI plugin in RG. Works for me and seems to handle instrument changes better than RG interacting with Qsynth. >This is covered in my Linux MIDI Guide. > > Since you seem to be OK with building software, you will probably >find my MIDI Guide interesting. It covers almost everything and might >get you to a new and more specific place where the trouble may lie: > > http://tedfelix.com/linux/linux-midi.html > >Ted. Hey, that guide is great. Thanks for making it! --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Percussion Clef
On September 2, 2019 12:09:12 PM HST, Demonic Sweaters wrote: > >Hey all, > >I would love if rosegarden were friendlier to drum notation. For >example I would love to have a percussion clef and the ability to >create drum notation with separate voicing for hands and feet. Anyone >else need this? Sounds interesting. I'd think that using 2 drum tracks would be all that's needed to separate hands and feet, yes? --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Play/stop transport with space bar?
On August 14, 2019 12:48:12 AM HST, Arnaldo Pirrone wrote: >Hi, >It would be great if we had the play/stop transport shortcut key on >space >instead of CTRL+ENTER, and the rec button on CTRL+R, or just R to start >recording when the transport is rolling. Can it be done? Don't know. >Also, it would just be great if the default double click action on >tracks >opens the piano roll/matrix editor by default instead of the sheet. No, that would be awful. I hate the piano roll/matrix editor. >Have you ever considered changing this? I think the sheet vs piano roll editor is controlled via a preference setting. Don't know about the space vs ctrl+enter or record button. --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] 17.12 & 19.06 Studio>Audio-Mixer
On August 8, 2019 4:10:20 PM HST, Ted Felix wrote: >On 8/1/19 7:28 PM, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote: >> When I launch the mixer with no file loaded into RG the channels or >tracks are numbered but these number are very tiny (almost unreadable), > > The size is set in the code in AudioStrip.cpp, line 72. Right now >it's 6 point, and that's pretty tiny alright. > >> and they vanish altogether as soon as a file gets loaded > > The .rg file? That sounds like something is odd in the file. > > What's being displayed is the name of the Instrument which you can >set by selecting the track in the main window and then pressing the >microscopic button to the left of the name in the "Instrument >Parameters" box. If you just want the numbers, 1-16, you can put those > >in there. Though that might look strange in other parts of the UI. >Maybe A1, A2, etc > >> Is this a bug, is it known, any fixes? > > This is working as designed for the most part. > > I suspect that we should probably go ahead and make the audio mixer a >bit bigger to fill some sort of standard minimum monitor size. Then we > >should be able to go with a slightly large point size for all the >controls. > >Ted. I'm planning to move to a 4K laptop. Would it be possible to use SVG fonts/graphics for layout? Or some way to set large font sizes? This whole antique "specify sizes in pixels" thing is getting pretty tedious, even on my present HD (1920x1080) setup. --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Crashes :(
On April 9, 2019 1:49:22 AM HST, Sami Jumppanen wrote: > Out of curiosity, what is the problem? > > > > >I had gotten in the habit of just buying a retail desktop PC off > the > > >shelf, but you can't buy those anymore. Getting Linux onto a > retail > > >Windows PC is a huge pain in the ass anyway. I guess I have to go > > >figure out what components to buy and roll my own like it's 1995. > I am > > >not looking forward to this at all. > > > > - Buy a computer > - Put in another hard drive, I bought a cheap SSD > - (Unplug the supplied Windows drive if you're not going to use it for > now) > - Install Linux > > I did find the new Linux installer (with Ubuntu Studio) a bit strange. > It > seemed all logical with empty HDD, but when having another HDD in the > computer with Ubuntu Studio, the installer says there were no other OS > found and logical volume management options and all the talk of > deletion > look strange or scary :D > > I am using now a 2006 era dual core and everything looks ok. Maybe the > newest computers bring new problems? > > Sami My wife's Asus is 2014 or 2015. Booted it from a USB stick, got to see all the lovely partitions Window 10 scattered all over the drive. Xubuntu 18.04 installed over it with no problems. That wasn't Ubuntu Studio. Maybe they're behind the times? -- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] New Rosegarden Logo
On March 14, 2019 8:56:10 AM HST, Dave Serls wrote: > On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 01:22:06 -0400 > Ted Felix wrote: > > >I've got a graphic designer working on a new logo for us. Here's > one > > of her ideas. Let me know what you all think. > > > >https://www.rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/rosegarden_logo > > > > Ted. > > I can be as arbitrary and idiotic as the next fellow. > Enlarge the elephant "G" a couple of font sizes and fill with pastel > green. I like that idea. Or leave it red and add pastel green background. I like this logo design idea. -- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] ROSEGARDEN 18.12, codename "Worcestershire" RELEASED
On December 13, 2018 4:56:55 AM HST, Ted Felix wrote: > On 12/13/18 3:05 AM, david wrote: > > Just curious. I used the SVN line from the website, compiled, and > the > > newly-built Rosegarden reports version 19.06? > > Yes. I bump the version immediately after a release in preparation > for the next release. > > Ted. Thanks, Ted. Looking forward to how 18.12 is. -- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] ROSEGARDEN 18.06, codename "Vesper" RELEASED
Hurrah! How can I get the update? Debian Testing has been at 17.12 for ages now. On June 6, 2018 8:46:44 AM HST, Ted Felix wrote: > The Rosegarden team is proud to announce the release of version 18.06 > of Rosegarden, a MIDI sequencer that features a rich understanding of > music notation along with basic support for digital audio. > > http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/ > > Along with some bug fixes and a few new features, 18.06 brings more > simplification of the code and further progress toward simplifying the > UI notification mechanisms that keep the UI in sync with the > underlying > Composition. > > Bug Fixes > >* Fix misc spelling errors flagged by lintian (Bug #1556, r15149) >* Fix soft synth tracks not responding to volume fader changes. > (Bug #1557, r15189) >* Fix Receive External checkbox not cleared. (r15194) >* Fix key map popup menu position on the Manage MIDI Banks and > Programs window. Current key map is now under the mouse as it > should be. (r15221) >* Fix a memory leak. (r15235) >* Fix gray leftovers when going out of Archive. (r15240) >* Fix Track preset name not loaded from .rg file. (r15242) >* Fix TrackButtons flicker when switching files. (r15244) >* Fix vertical zoom reset on the Matrix editor. (r15267) >* Fix vertical zoom reset on the Notation editor. (r15268) > > New Features > >* Manage MIDI Banks and Programs window now uses a scroll area > instead of tabs. (r15227) >* Add "Reset to Defaults" button to Track Parameters. (r15241) > * Standardized scroll wheel behavior. (Feature #445, r15245, r15246, > r15248, r15265) >* Notation: Offer spacing up to 400%. (r15266) >* Notation spacing is now saved to the .rg file. (r15269) > > Other people who contributed to Rosegarden development: > >* Stuart Prescott > > People who contributed device files to the Rosegarden Library > >* Henk de Groot -- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail. -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
[Rosegarden-user] RGD 'device' file for Yoshimi or Zyn?
Would make working with them much easier. When I set up a patch (one of the included ones) in Yoshimi, RG seems to set it back to YoshimI's default patch. -- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail.-- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] email is consistently rejected by sf
On April 18, 2018 5:38:25 PM HST, Ted Felix <t...@tedfelix.com> wrote: > My email is consistently getting rejected as spam by sourceforge. I > will have to switch to emailing directly in response to requests here. > > Sorry about that. > > Ted. > > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > Rosegarden-user mailing list > Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to > unsubscribe > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user Hmm, maybe your ISP's mail server is listed on spam block lists? -- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail.-- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden 17.12 crashes with errors when started
On April 17, 2018 3:54:54 PM HST, Ted Felix <t...@tedfelix.com> wrote: > On 04/17/2018 04:53 AM, david wrote: > > When I start it from a terminal, I get this: > > free(): invalid pointer > > There are only 10 calls to free() in rg. The ones in JackDriver are > the only ones that look like they might actually get called at > startup. > And per the JACK API docs, it appears that we shouldn't be calling > free(), we should be calling jack_free() here. That's a fair amount > of > evidence pointing to a very specific problem. > >Digging around indicates that even if you could run a debug build, > you would get no helpful debug output if free() is actually crashing > rg. > JackDriver uses something called Audit which performs delayed logging. > > This means in the event of a crash, absolutely no logging occurs. > Seems like a bit of a problem. > > I'm going to switch to jack_free() and see if that still works fine > for me. If so, then we should probably figure out a way to get you > compiling from source so that you can get more details when things go > wrong. > > I think I'll also try and force free() to fail (with a bogus pointer) > and see if the debug logging is lost as I suspect. If so, I'll get > rid > of Audit and go direct to RG_DEBUG. > > Ted. Thanks. Keep me posted. RG on my laptop works, RG on desktop is the broken one. Same RG version on both. Laptop has jackd2 1.19.12 from KXstudio. Desktop has jackd2 1.19.12 from Xenial. Would be quite happy to compile from source. -- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail. -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user