[Rosegarden-user] Re" Questions about audio playback and MIDI connections

2020-07-02 Thread rhkramer
Resending an email from Dan Ritter (from the Debian user list) -- he sent it 
to the rosegarden-user list (basically at my request), but I looked in the 
archives and didn't see it there, so I suspect it did not get to the list.

(I suspect the email threading will be wrong.) 

I think the genesis of the message is fairly well explained in what I wrote, 
and a way to deal with the changing MIDI ports is explained in what Dan wrote.


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Subject: 
Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2020, 11:32:34 AM
From: Dan Ritter 
To: rhkra...@gmail.com
CC: debian-u...@lists.debian.org, rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net

rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: 
> (Intentionally cross posted)
> 
> The following quotes are from an email to a rosegarden mail list -- 
Rosegarden 
> is a music notation (mcow) program.
> 
> A user is describing a problem in which it appears the MIDI ports (connected 
> via USB ports) change on each boot (or maybe even each start of the 
Rosegarden 
> program).
> 
> I just wondered if this is similar to the current Linux behavior related to 
> disks wherein, in the old days, disks came up in a consistent order, but 
> nowadays (maybe because of systemd?) they (or some of them) can start in 
> parallel and thus their device numbers are not consistent.
> 
> If a similar problem does exist with USB ports, is there a way to force them 
> to be identified in a consistent way on each boot (i.e., something like using 
> UUIDs or labels for disks)?
> 

Yes, and yes-but-no.

You want to ignore the USB ports and focus on the attached
devices. udev is the mechanism here.

For example, in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-ups  I have:

SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTR{idVendor}=="0764", ATTR{idProduct}=="0501", 
SYMLINK+="ups0", GROUP="nut"

Which means that /dev/ups0 will be assigned to the USB device
that has an idVendor of 0764 and an idProduct of 0501, and be
accessible by anyone in the group nut.

So if you have a MIDI keyboard with idVendor 0499 (Yamaha) and 
idProduct 1617 (PSR-E353 digital keyboard) then you could plug
those numbers into a rule like the one above and whenever it was
connected, it would appear at, say, "/dev/midikb0".

SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTR{idVendor}=="0499", ATTR{idProduct}=="1617", 
SYMLINK+="midikb0", GROUP="audio"

lsusb (possibly with a -v) will help you find the currently
attached devices and their numbers.

Does that help?



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Re: [Rosegarden-user] (no subject)

2020-06-30 Thread rhkramer
On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 11:32:34 AM Dan Ritter wrote:
> Does that help?

It sounds like it should help, but not being my problem, I won't be following 
up on it -- I hope it will help the OP and maybe others on the Rosegarden 
list.

If more questions come up, I might (again) forward them to the debian-users 
list.

Thank you very much!


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[Rosegarden-user] OT (for the debian-list): Re: Questions about audio playback and MIDI connections

2020-06-30 Thread rhkramer
(Intentionally cross posted)

The following quotes are from an email to a rosegarden mail list -- Rosegarden 
is a music notation (mcow) program.

A user is describing a problem in which it appears the MIDI ports (connected 
via USB ports) change on each boot (or maybe even each start of the Rosegarden 
program).

I just wondered if this is similar to the current Linux behavior related to 
disks wherein, in the old days, disks came up in a consistent order, but 
nowadays (maybe because of systemd?) they (or some of them) can start in 
parallel and thus their device numbers are not consistent.

If a similar problem does exist with USB ports, is there a way to force them 
to be identified in a consistent way on each boot (i.e., something like using 
UUIDs or labels for disks)?

Thanks!

On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 10:46:30 AM Ted Felix wrote:
> On 6/30/20 5:20 AM, Malhaire Christophe wrote:
> > 1) While using Rosegarden, I cannot play a video on Youtube, or play a
> > piece of music using Parole Media Player.
> 
>Off the top of my head, it sounds like those programs likely use
> ALSA, but you have JACK running.  When JACK is running, it takes over
> ALSA and anything trying to use ALSA will be "broken".
> 
>There may be a way to get ALSA and JACK apps to cooperate.  I seem to
> remember an article on the JACK website.  This is a common complaint.
> 
> > 2) Each time the PC and Rosegarden are restarted, I have to check and
> > change my MIDI connections because the MIDI ports of my external USB
> > sound modules are systematically inconsistent (MIDI Playback devices
> > related to MIDI Outputs).
> 
>This is interesting as we've had this complaint before.  I really
> would like to work on fixing this, if possible, but the other user
> reported that the problem went away.
> 
>To get a closer look at what rg is doing to make those connections,
> load a composition, then go to Edit > Preferences... and press the
> "Details..." button next to "Sequencer Status".  This should show you
> the connections it is trying to make.  If you can post what's in there,
> that might help with figuring out what we might be able to do to fix this.
> 
> > I believe Rosegarden has an internal function
> > for "smartly" attaching a MIDI device, according to its name, but it
> > doesn't work for me. Surely I must miss something but what?
> 
>It's all automated, so not really anything you can do.  We need to
> have a closer look and see if anything can be done at all.
> 
> > Is there anything to add to the .rgd file?
> 
>.rgd files are only relevant when you create a new device.  It is the
> .rg file that is driving things from that point on.  It's the exact same
> info, though.
> 
> > But since the port number can change at each boot, or depending on the
> > order in which the devices are turned on, maybe this is not a good
> > method?
> 
>I suspect that is what is really happening.  There's a limit to what
> we can obtain from the drivers.  Therefore there is a limit as to how
> good of a job we can do matching things up.
> 
> > 3) And by the way, where can we find a complete manual about the xml
> > format of .rgd files?
> 
>You'll have to read the code.  We've barely got time to write code
> let alone documentation.  Feel free to create some, though.  We'd be
> happy to post it to the wiki.
> 
> Ted.
> 
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden App Icon

2020-05-23 Thread rhkramer
Ted -- this is the one that didn't make it, it seems Reply went to the author 
instead of the list -- I should watch for that.

On Friday, May 22, 2020 10:58:05 PM david wrote:
> On 5/22/20 3:02 PM, Ted Felix wrote:
> > Just posted some new ideas for the rosegarden app icon on the wiki.
> > Head over to the logo page and have a look at the pdf at the top. 
> > Then let me know what you think.  We can discuss here on the list or
> > send me an email directly if you prefer a silent ballot.
> > 
> >   https://www.rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/rosegarden_logo

I find people that don't like top posting, others don't like bottom posting, so 
I took this opportunity to "middle post" ;-)

From the peanut gallery:

Of those shown, I like #1 the best (oh, I've finally learned what people mean 
when they say hashtag -- to me, that #1 is "number 1", not "hashtag 1" ;-)

In contrast to David's comments, I don't like #5 -- I like the keyboard, and 
might like #1 better if it incorporated a keyboard.

Something in your post, or David's comments gave me a mindset that the icon 
should include a rose -- I don't know if that is really appropriate / 
required, but nothing in #5 looks like a rose to me.

#9 has some appeal to me, I like the roses, but something about it isn't quite 
appealing -- maybe I'd like it better if the stems were under the roses rather 
than on top, and maybe triplets with different notes (i.e., the roses not all 
in a line but staggered (or ascending or descending).


> Thanks for sharing!
> 
> Opinions by option number:
> 
>  1. I like this. Clearly a rose, with the stem curling around. Doesn't
> say anything about music, though. I like #5 better.
>  2. Looks OK. The square frame looks like a frame rather than a rose
> stem, if it's intended to look like a rose stem.
>  3. Looks like 3 tulips to me, not roses. So far, I prefer the
> single-rose designs. With or without a solid background.
>  4. NO, just no. Not roses, looks like bars or some completely-different
> flower.
>  5. Interesting! Kind of an abstracted or deconstructed rose that I
> recognized right off. Adding the piano keys shows that it's a music
> program. I like this one best so far.
>  6. NO, no, no. Yuck. Not even close to a rose, nothing about music in it.
>  7. Abstracted geometric rose that seems to me to be more of a Star of
> David. Doesn't say "rose" or Rosegarden to me.
>  8. Even more abstracted "rose" that doesn't communicate rose,
> Rosegarden, or music to me.
>  9. Cute, but just, no. A couple of rosebuds, has music notes, but the
> music notes don't look particularly good to me.
> 
> I like #5 so much I just might screen grab it and use it for my
> Rosegarden icon here. Are the source files (preferably SVG) available?
> 
> PS: You're the first person I've ever met that uses Ubuntu's desktop,
> particularly the Gnome3 version. ;)
> 
> --
> David W. Jones
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden App Icon

2020-05-22 Thread rhkramer
Ok, another comment about #9 (added to my previous comment about maybe 
inverting the whole thing, showing triplets (or 3 notes, maybe an eighth and 
two sixteenths and maybe staggered, ascending, or descending.

I guess I don't like the circular "buds" behind (well, currently above) the 
red roses -- I wonder what it would look like without those.

Maybe ascending, with 2 sixteenths followed by an eighth, with the stems 
underneath and a sloped "bar" (not sure of the right word for that).

Like David said, thanks for sharing (or asking for opinions)!

On Saturday, May 23, 2020 12:03:43 AM rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> Top posting for variety -- not really -- this is a general comment without
> specifics. ;-)


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden App Icon

2020-05-22 Thread rhkramer
Top posting for variety -- not really -- this is a general comment without 
specifics. ;-)

I just realized that the icons are shown both in the upper left corner (large) 
and icon sized down in the group of icons -- I didn't really notice / look at 
those at first, and may change my opinion after spending some time looking at 
the small icons.

I always have a light background vs. a dark background, I guess I'll want to 
think about that, also.

On Friday, May 22, 2020 11:56:26 PM rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, May 22, 2020 10:58:05 PM david wrote:
> > On 5/22/20 3:02 PM, Ted Felix wrote:
> > > Just posted some new ideas for the rosegarden app icon on the wiki.
> > > Head over to the logo page and have a look at the pdf at the top.
> > > Then let me know what you think.  We can discuss here on the list or
> > > send me an email directly if you prefer a silent ballot.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Guitar to USB setup

2020-05-22 Thread rhkramer
On Friday, May 22, 2020 10:30:13 AM Mike Witt wrote:
> On 05/19/2020 06:24:31 PM, Ted Felix wrote:
> > On 5/19/20 1:57 PM, Mike Witt wrote:
> >> I see a lot of "Guitar to USB" cables advertised. They don't appear
> >> to have any "active" components. Does this really work?

I was going to ask earlier, but what does a Guitar to USB cable do -- does it 
simply take the output from the guitar pick ups (analog signal) and pass it 
through to a USB -- oh, hmm, I guess USB would have to be serial, so it must 
have some conversion, or do some A/D converters (or sound cards) accept analog 
via a USB port.

Or does it magically convert the guitar signal to MIDI?


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] LV2... Why?

2020-03-14 Thread rhkramer
On Saturday, March 14, 2020 04:31:42 AM Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
> Sorry for the long email, we are locked at home here in Italy and maybe
> more prone to techno-philosophical  thoughts :D

I hope you are reasonably comfortably locked in, stay safe, and get unlocked 
soon!


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Crashes :(

2019-04-10 Thread rhkramer
On Wednesday, April 10, 2019 11:41:21 AM D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
> On 4/10/19 8:54 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I guess you mean a retail desktop without Windows off the shelf?
> 
> No, I mean a retail desktop anything off the shelf.  Nobody stocks them
> anymore.  It's all laptops and all-in-ones, peppered with the occasional
> ridiculous "gaming PC" that has crap specs at a high price with some red
> LEDs thrown in to make it look, I don't know, gamey.

Have you checked out Newegg and TigerDirect (both for mail order).  Within the 
last year, I bought a new (not refurbished) desktop (in a mini-tower) for 
$299.  

(I don't know where in the world you are located -- it is possible they don't 
ship to your location.)

(They also sell a lot of refurbished units, but at $299 that was close to what 
I used to pay to buy components for a system, and this came with Windows, 
which I can use to update the map in my Garmin Nuvi 40 LM. ;-)

>From the order (from Tiger Direct, ordered 20180914) :


Item#: 41418724

AMD A6-8570 3.5GHz 
8GB DDR4 RAM
500GB HDD
Radeon R5 420 Graphics
6x USB 3.1, 4x USB 2.0, 1x VGA, 2x DisplayPorts
Windows 10 Professional
1XJ76US#ABA


The processor uses 65 watts, and there is a note somewhere "The APU can be 
configured to run at 45 Watt TDP."  (I like low power consumption, both to 
minimize heat and power use, as I keep my main machine up 24/7 (and on a 
UPS).)

I haven't put it in service yet -- in the old days, I watched to buy the 
components for my next machine at sale prices before I actually needed it -- I 
bought this on the same principle.  (Accepting Windows was sort of a sacrifice, 
but, as I mentioned, I should be able to update my Garmin maps (which is 
harder to do on Linux -- it can be done, most easily with 3rd party maps.)


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Crashes :(

2019-04-10 Thread rhkramer
On Tuesday, April 09, 2019 04:37:15 AM D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
> I had gotten in the habit of just buying a retail desktop PC off the
> shelf, but you can't buy those anymore.  

I guess you mean a retail desktop without Windows off the shelf?




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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Gruesome gotcha: Import MIDI

2019-02-28 Thread rhkramer
On Thursday, February 28, 2019 04:03:52 AM Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
> On 28/02/19 01:06, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, February 27, 2019 06:03:59 PM D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
> >> Open   - opens a native file
> > 
> > Ok
> > 
> >> Import - opens a non-native file
> > 
> > I don't like this -- the word import is not sufficiently intuitive for
> > the behavior -- if that has to stick (I'm not sure it does), then there
> > should be a warning dialog following selection of import, something like
> > "this will wipe out any existing music / information in the Rosegarden
> > buffer"
> 
> Honestly I'm not sure what the fuss is about... If I try to an "Import"
> with a non-saved file open Rosegarden *does* warn me: "The current file
> has been modified. Do you want to save it?" which I think is pretty
> standard behaviour. This is the same exact behaviour as trying to "Open"
> a file while there is an unsaved one.

Ok -- I reacted without having tried the import -- a warning like that should 
do the job.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Gruesome gotcha: Import MIDI

2019-02-27 Thread rhkramer
On Wednesday, February 27, 2019 06:03:59 PM D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
> Open   - opens a native file

Ok

> Import - opens a non-native file

I don't like this -- the word import is not sufficiently intuitive for the 
behavior -- if that has to stick (I'm not sure it does), then there should be 
a warning dialog following selection of import, something like "this will wipe 
out any existing music / information in the Rosegarden buffer"

> Merge  - merges any supported file into the current composition

Ok

> We debated the nomenclature years ago, and this is what stuck.

I'm not the op, but, obviously, it was not intuitive for him, resulting in 
work / data loss.  Something should be improved.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Gruesome gotcha: Import MIDI

2019-02-25 Thread rhkramer
On Monday, February 25, 2019 04:32:57 PM Al Thompson wrote:
> On 2/25/2019 10:56 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, February 25, 2019 08:27:56 AM msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca wrote:
> >> On Mon, 25 Feb 2019, Håkan Söderström via Rosegarden-user wrote:
> >>> I make this note while still a beginner: Rosegarden would need a
> >>> terminology overhaul in order not to trip up new users completely.
> >>> 
> >>> "Import MIDI" really means: "New session based on MIDI file". It scraps
> >>> whatever you did before importing, warning that "File has not been
> >>> saved". "File"? It's the session that's not saved. Rosegarden needs to
> >>> be consistent
> >> 
> >> I strongly disagree.
> > 
> > I am not the OP, but you confused at least me.  I think you (strongly)
> > agree that "Import MIDI" is a bad name, you don't like the proposed new
> > name, but I had to do a lot of "gratuitous" reading to figure that out.
> 
> Yeah, I had to really parse through that too.  I think that "import
> MIDI" is fine, because "to import" means to bring in from somewhere
> else, and it also implies that it's going to import it into what you are
> currently working on, rather than delete it or close your current
> project.  

Yes, but note that the OP said that the import MIDI "scraps whatever you did 
before importing" -- that's not what I would expect from an import -- the 
import should be merged with whatever you did before then (imho).




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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Gruesome gotcha: Import MIDI

2019-02-25 Thread rhkramer
On Monday, February 25, 2019 08:27:56 AM msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Feb 2019, Håkan Söderström via Rosegarden-user wrote:
> > I make this note while still a beginner: Rosegarden would need a
> > terminology overhaul in order not to trip up new users completely.
> > 
> > "Import MIDI" really means: "New session based on MIDI file". It scraps
> > whatever you did before importing, warning that "File has not been
> > saved". "File"? It's the session that's not saved. Rosegarden needs to
> > be consistent
> 
> I strongly disagree. 

I am not the OP, but you confused at least me.  I think you (strongly) agree 
that "Import MIDI" is a bad name, you don't like the proposed new name, but I 
had to do a lot of "gratuitous" reading to figure that out.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] email is consistently rejected by sf

2018-04-19 Thread rhkramer
On Wednesday, April 18, 2018 11:38:25 PM Ted Felix wrote:
>My email is consistently getting rejected as spam by sourceforge.  I
> will have to switch to emailing directly in response to requests here.
> Sorry about that.

Like I mentioned in my reply to your direct email, I have received several of 
the messages you have sent to sourceforge--I'm not sure what / where your 
message is getting rejected as spam--maybe it is from some subscriber's ISPs 
rather than from the sourceforge.net list handler?

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Standardized Scroll Wheel Behavior

2018-04-18 Thread rhkramer
Thanks!

On Wednesday, April 18, 2018 11:06:42 AM Ted Felix wrote:
> On 04/18/2018 10:53 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Well, I'm not Lorenzo, but how about a feature to expand the notation
> > editor horizontally by more than 220%--220% is not always enough to
> > allow all lyrics to show without overlap or similar problems.
> 
>Should be easy to adjust the zoom limit upwards.
> 
> > It would be nice then if the horizontal expansion would be saved (with
> > the file) so it wouldn't have to be reapplied each time a file is
> > opened.
> 
>Slightly harder to do.  I'll put it on my near-term todo to have a look.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Standardized Scroll Wheel Behavior

2018-04-18 Thread rhkramer
On Wednesday, April 18, 2018 10:41:49 AM Ted Felix wrote:
> On 04/18/2018 05:46 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
> > Fantastic! This is a much appreciated and needed feature IMHO.
> 
>You're not the only one.  Let me know what else you want.

Well, I'm not Lorenzo, but how about a feature to expand the notation editor 
horizontally by more than 220%--220% is not always enough to allow all lyrics 
to show without overlap or similar problems.

It would be nice then if the horizontal expansion would be saved (with the 
file) so it wouldn't have to be reapplied each time a file is opened.

Thanks for your consideration!

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Lyric space

2018-04-04 Thread rhkramer
Thanks very much for your reply!  I have some comments / questions 
interspersed below:

On Wednesday, April 04, 2018 10:23:06 AM Yves Guillemot wrote:
> Le  4 avril 2018 à 08H42 (-0400)
> 
> rhkra...@gmail.com a écrit :
> > At the moment, I can't find the worst example, but this file will be
> > enough to give you the idea.  If you view the "line" named "Words" in
> > the notation editor, you should see the problem, and if you increase
> > the "Spacing" in the notation editor to 220%, you will see that the
> > situation improves, but is not completely gone.
> > 
> > You can also look at the line named "Melody" where I started to also
> > add the lyrics in the hope that I could do better--I realized I could
> > not and quit.
> 
> There are several styles of text in RG. You used text for dynamics
> instead of lyrics.

How do you know I used dynamics instead of lyrics?

These questions might all be resolved by some explanation--I'm asking lots of 
questions in hopes of helping you understand / spot where my lack of 
understanding / knowledge lies.

Until you sent this reply, I thought the font I was using was Feta size 8.  I 
now understand that is apparently the font for the notes and such, and I found 
on the preferences menu (which I had not looked at prior to today) that I am 
using "Bitstream Vera Serif 9" as both the Text and San-serif font.

I did experiment with changing the text font to 6, which I was surprised to 
find is readable on my screen, and helps with the lack of space for lyrics, but 
does not completely solve it.

I don't remember if it was on this song or not, but I have used the Lyric 
Editor (and, then, typically, used the fine spacing feature to try to move the 
lyrics around to try to get them closer to the right notes).

(Aside: When I got this file as a MIDI file, the Words line (with the words 
against rests) was already there, as was the Melody line.  I started to add 
the lyrics to the Melody line, but do not recall whether I simply inserted 
text or used the Lyric Editor.)

In songs where I used the Lyric Editor, I still had the problem with 
insufficient space for the lyrics.  

I don't see a place to specifically choose the "lyrics text style".  Hmm, maybe 
in this file I did insert the lyrics with the Text tool instead of the Lyric 
Editor, and maybe that's what you refer to as lyrics text style (i.e., the 
style inserted by the Lyric Editor)?  (As I said, even with the Lyric Editor 
there is insufficient space for the lyrics.)

Maybe there are some features in Rosegarden 17 that are not present in 
Rosegarden 12 (the version that I am using because my OS supports / supplies 
this version)?

Sorry for being obtuse--thanks for any additional help you can offer.

> Unlike other text styles, the places of lyrics and notes are
> computed in relation to each other when they are displayed in the
> notation editor. This should fix your problem.
> 
> First you should add the lyrics to the segment on the "Melody" track
> because without notes (as on the "Words" track which has only rests) RG
> can't display lyrics at the right place.
> 
> Next you have to use the lyrics text style.
> The better way to insert lyrics is to use the lyric editor from the
> notation editor with "View -> Open Lyric Editor".
> 
> Some documentation is here:
> https://www.rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/doc:lyriceditdialog-en
> 
> You may see lyrics in some RG examples as Hallelujah_Chorus or
> aylindaamiga.
> 
> Yves

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Lyric space

2018-04-04 Thread rhkramer
On Wednesday, April 04, 2018 03:40:46 AM Yves Guillemot wrote:
> Le  2 avril 2018 à 14H02 (-0400)  rhkra...@gmail.com a écrit :
> > It is nice to see that this list is not totally dead.
> 
> Sorry for this late reply.
> I'd no time to reply the first time I read your
> post then I forgot it.

No problem, thanks for replying now!

> Le 18 février 2018 à 19H00 (-0500)
> 
> rhkra...@gmail.com a écrit :
> > (Note: I am using Rosegarden 12 instead of the latest version because
> > that is what is supported on my Debian Wheezy based computer.  If
> > this problem is solved in a later version of Rosegarden, I will look
> > (harder) into ways to upgrade.)
> 
> I don't think lyrics had have any fix related to your problem since
> 12.4.
> 
> > My problem is this--in some songs, when I add lyrics, there is not
> > enough space for the lyrics (that is, for each syllable or measure)
> > so words or syllables are cut off and not displayed and/or
> > overwritten (and therefore garbled).  (This being on the Notation
> > display, the one that displays musical notes and lyrics (if present).)
> > 
> > I did find the spacing "control" and adjusting it does improve the
> > situation, but even on the song I'm looking at now, 220% does not
> > eliminate the problem.
> 
> I can't reproduce this issue here.
> Moreover I don't see any noticeable effect of the spacing percentage on
> the readability of lyrics.
> 
> > I can email the particular song to anyone that is interested--iirc, I
> > got the MIDI part from someone on the Internet, which had the lyrics
> > in a separate "voice", and I've started to add the lyrics to the
> > melody.  (But, even the lyrics in that separate voice have the same
> > problem (they are displayed against a musical clef with rests of
> > varying duration.)
> 
> Please, send me this song or some example showing the problem and
> I'll try to fix it.

I've attached the rg file to a copy of this email that I'll send to you 
immediately after sending this to the list without the file (I don't want to 
spam the list nor do I know if files are allowed on this list).  Oh, and also, 
I downloaded the file from the Internet and don't know its original source--I'm 
not sure I have the legal right to post it anywhere.

At the moment, I can't find the worst example, but this file will be enough to 
give you the idea.  If you view the "line" named "Words" in the notation 
editor, you should see the problem, and if you increase the "Spacing" in the 
notation editor to 220%, you will see that the situation improves, but is not 
completely gone.

You can also look at the line named "Melody" where I started to also add the 
lyrics in the hope that I could do better--I realized I could not and quit.

In some songs, I've used the "fine positioning" mechansim to try to position / 
space out the lyrics to fix the problem--I may have done some of that in this 
file--I do not recall.

I'm not expecting you to put any significant effort into trying to fine tune 
the 
positioning of the lyrics to make the situation better, I'm just looking for a 
way (beyond the spacing conntrol) to spread the notes out to allow more room 
for lyrics.

(I did think about trying to rewrite the songs with maybe a different time 
signature to allow more space for the lyrics (I mean, maybe if I did something 
like rewrote this song in 2/4 time and then made some adjustment (like 
changing the duration of the notes  (e.g., quarter note to eighth note??), or 
changing the tempo, but, that would be a lot of work, and I'm not sure it 
would be worth it.)

(The other example was in 6/8 time, and maybe I never saved in rg format--I 
have a lot of MIDI files, and it will only be by luck that I find it again (or 
find some notes).)

Thanks for any suggestions you might offer.

PS: I can send this to others on request.




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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Auto-scrolling

2018-04-03 Thread rhkramer
On Monday, April 02, 2018 10:20:19 PM D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
> On 04/02/2018 05:22 PM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Thanks--at least I know my messages are getting to the list.
> 
> I'm very much less active than I used to be, but I still monitor the
> lists, and I still look out for messages nobody else is answering.  I
> looked back through my inbox, and see no other messages from you.  They
> may be in the list archives, but I didn't get them.

Ok, I checked the archives, and my email is one of 2 in the February archive, 
it is time stamped: 2018-02-19 00:43:03.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Auto-scrolling

2018-04-03 Thread rhkramer
On Monday, April 02, 2018 10:20:19 PM D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
> On 04/02/2018 05:22 PM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Thanks--at least I know my messages are getting to the list.
> 
> I'm very much less active than I used to be, but I still monitor the
> lists, and I still look out for messages nobody else is answering.  I
> looked back through my inbox, and see no other messages from you.  They
> may be in the list archives, but I didn't get them.

Hmm, I'll look in the list archives, then find my original emails and send them 
again if they are not in the archives.  Probably not today.

> 
> While I'm writing, I may as well let people know what I've been up to
> lately.

Very interesting stuff snipped--good luck with all that and your commercial 
venture...

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Auto-scrolling

2018-04-02 Thread rhkramer
On Monday, April 02, 2018 04:44:11 PM Will Godfrey wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Apr 2018 14:02:11 -0400
> 
> rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> >I presume you're not looking for the little icon near the playback icons
> >(things like Play, Stop, Rewind) which is labeled "Scroll to Follow
> >Playback (Pause)"?
> 
> No, I'm manually editing in the matrix editor and dragging notes around.

Ok, I guess I can't help you, then.

> 
> P·S.
> This list has always been a relatively low traffic one.

Thanks--at least I know my messages are getting to the list.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Auto-scrolling

2018-04-02 Thread rhkramer
I presume you're not looking for the little icon near the playback icons 
(things like Play, Stop, Rewind) which is labeled "Scroll to Follow Playback 
(Pause)"? 

(I responded to you primarily because I was glad to see someone actually post 
to this list--I had posted one (or two?) question(s) here maybe a month ago, 
and did not get a response (and rarely, if ever see a post on this list).)

It is nice to see that this list is not totally dead.

(One of my questions had to do with having enough space for lyrics which might 
use longer words--I guess I've done the best I can for now by setting the 
spacing to 220% on the Notation Editor, and I am constrained to (at least for 
the time being) use version 12.04 of Rosegarden as that is what is supported 
on my Wheezy version of Debian.)

On Monday, April 02, 2018 01:36:20 PM Will Godfrey wrote:
> Would some kind person please provide a way to switch this off, or at least
> make it *much* slower and less aggressive.
> 
> Today I was editing multiple tracks in the matrix editor and it was driving
> me nuts. It is especially bad when moving notes pitch-wise :(

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[Rosegarden-user] Lyric space

2018-02-18 Thread rhkramer
(Note: I am using Rosegarden 12 instead of the latest version because that is 
what is supported on my Debian Wheezy based computer.  If this problem is 
solved in a later version of Rosegarden, I will look (harder) into ways to 
upgrade.)

My problem is this--in some songs, when I add lyrics, there is not enough 
space for the lyrics (that is, for each syllable or measure) so words or 
syllables are cut off and not displayed and/or overwritten (and therefore 
garbled).  (This being on the Notation display, the one that displays musical 
notes and lyrics (if present).)

I did find the spacing "control" and adjusting it does improve the situation, 
but even on the song I'm looking at now, 220% does not eliminate the problem.

I can email the particular song to anyone that is interested--iirc, I got the 
MIDI part from someone on the Internet, which had the lyrics in a separate 
"voice", and I've started to add the lyrics to the melody.  (But, even the 
lyrics in that separate voice have the same problem (they are displayed 
against a musical clef with rests of varying duration.)

Suggestions?

Like I say, if this is solved in a later version of Rosegarden, I will try to 
upgrade (although that may take me a while--I'll consider upgrading my 
computer, then Debian, and then use the Rosegarden supported by that version 
of Debian (if it has the "fix").

(I'm not much of a musician (if any ;-), I'm doing this to practice for 
karaoke, but I have vague thoughts of trying to change the time signature and 
put fewer notes in each measure--not sure if that would work or how to do it 
while maintaining the same tempo.)

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