Re: [Rosegarden-user] 17.12 & 19.06 Studio>Audio-Mixer
On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 08:25:45 -0400 krsg...@trixtar.org wrote: > On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 22:10:20 -0400 > Ted Felix wrote: > > > On 8/1/19 7:28 PM, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote: > > > When I launch the mixer with no file loaded into RG the channels or > > > tracks are numbered but these number are very tiny (almost unreadable), > > > > The size is set in the code in AudioStrip.cpp, line 72. Right now > > it's 6 point, and that's pretty tiny alright. i don't think i should muck with code > > What's being displayed is the name of the Instrument which you can > > set by selecting the track in the main window and then pressing the > > microscopic button to the left of the name in the "Instrument > > Parameters" box. If you just want the numbers, 1-16, you can put those > > in there. Though that might look strange in other parts of the UI. > > Maybe A1, A2, etc great, thanks, done ..both the button AND the numbers ARE tiny :-)) Finally I just noticed that the tracks displayed are in fact only those in use, sorry about the confusion Would be nice to have a single mixer, different synths/source different colors... ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] 17.12 & 19.06 Studio>Audio-Mixer
On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 08:25:45 -0400 krsg...@trixtar.org wrote: > The mixer itself is OK! Realestate goes by like nothing when you have 28 > tracks. One thing that might help is to show only the tracks actually used in > the piece. This would also reduce the midi mixer footprint and might even > solve the subject problem. But I'm no programmer so don't hold it against me > if I destroy the case for artificial stupidity :-) About this, IF only the used tracks were to be displayed it WOULD help to keep some thin placeholder spacers to interlace the unused ones, helps out with orientation at my age :-) ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] 17.12 & 19.06 Studio>Audio-Mixer
On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 22:10:20 -0400 Ted Felix wrote: > On 8/1/19 7:28 PM, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote: > > When I launch the mixer with no file loaded into RG the channels or tracks > > are numbered but these number are very tiny (almost unreadable), > > The size is set in the code in AudioStrip.cpp, line 72. Right now > it's 6 point, and that's pretty tiny alright. > > > and they vanish altogether as soon as a file gets loaded > > The .rg file? That sounds like something is odd in the file. I have about 400 .rg files covering 40 songs and I could be mistaken but all of them behave this way. Another thing that applies to all of them is that they've evolved with versions of RG going back a good decade! (i keep working on them when i have time, finaklizing about 1 song per year :-( > What's being displayed is the name of the Instrument which you can > set by selecting the track in the main window and then pressing the > microscopic button to the left of the name in the "Instrument > Parameters" box. If you just want the numbers, 1-16, you can put those > in there. Though that might look strange in other parts of the UI. > Maybe A1, A2, etc I'll try this tonite, not on my musicbox right now, could be a workaround as all I really need are the numbers to know which is who sotospeak > > Is this a bug, is it known, any fixes? > > This is working as designed for the most part. > > I suspect that we should probably go ahead and make the audio mixer a > bit bigger to fill some sort of standard minimum monitor size. Then we > should be able to go with a slightly large point size for all the controls. > > Ted. The mixer itself is OK! Realestate goes by like nothing when you have 28 tracks. One thing that might help is to show only the tracks actually used in the piece. This would also reduce the midi mixer footprint and might even solve the subject problem. But I'm no programmer so don't hold it against me if I destroy the case for artificial stupidity :-) With a little sidebar on the questuion of font sizes, RG is not by any stretch of the imagination the only app in this situation. I always figured that font size in 'prefeences' shuld be handled on the user end as a % of monitor size, the points themselves being totally transparent, which would need a discrete interfcae (my 2 cents). ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] 17.12 & 19.06 Studio>Audio-Mixer
On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 07:52:17 -0400 "D. Michael McIntyre" wrote: >On 8/8/19 10:34 PM, David W. Jones wrote: > >> I'm planning to move to a 4K laptop. Would it be possible to use SVG >> fonts/graphics for layout? Or some way to set large font sizes? This whole >> antique "specify sizes in pixels" thing is getting pretty tedious, even on >> my present HD (1920x1080) setup. > >Rosegarden dates to a time when requiring a 1024x768 screen was a >controversial move. Getting as much out of possible out of minimal >screen real estate used to be the name of the game. > >I haven't put any thought into fonts yet. The way Rosegarden uses fonts >is pretty touchy and weird and full of legacy quirks, and getting it to >behave well with vector fonts will not be simple. > >What I have been thinking about is the icons. The horrible irony is >that when I spent some insane number of hours remaking all the icons a >few years ago, most of them were in a vector format before I committed >them as raster images. The problem we used to have was half pixeling. >This is hugely obvious on note stems, which want to be one straight >line. If we stored the icons as SVG and left it up to Qt to rasterize >them, they looked awful. That's why I manually diddled thousands upon >thousands of pixels. > >In the age of 4K, now we're looking at an entirely different set of >problems. I don't have a 4K monitor yet, but I do have a 4K TV, and the >writing is on the wall. This is going to be one of those things where >if we don't fix it, Rosegarden is going to fade into history. I >understand there are workarounds right now, but they probably look like >crap. > >I am thinking about this problem with the intent to roll my sleeves back >up and do some work on this in the relatively near future. I haven't >actually conducted any experiments yet, but I aim to do that sooner, >rather than later. I figured I would start by doing a new set of SVG >icons, and making sure they look decent on my standard 1920x1080 display. > >I should get thinking about fonts too. Everything should scale nicely. >The technology to do this is there, and we simply don't make use of it yet. > Welcome back - you never really went away did you? :) Oh, and I feel your pain! -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] 17.12 & 19.06 Studio>Audio-Mixer
On 8/8/19 10:34 PM, David W. Jones wrote: I'm planning to move to a 4K laptop. Would it be possible to use SVG fonts/graphics for layout? Or some way to set large font sizes? This whole antique "specify sizes in pixels" thing is getting pretty tedious, even on my present HD (1920x1080) setup. Rosegarden dates to a time when requiring a 1024x768 screen was a controversial move. Getting as much out of possible out of minimal screen real estate used to be the name of the game. I haven't put any thought into fonts yet. The way Rosegarden uses fonts is pretty touchy and weird and full of legacy quirks, and getting it to behave well with vector fonts will not be simple. What I have been thinking about is the icons. The horrible irony is that when I spent some insane number of hours remaking all the icons a few years ago, most of them were in a vector format before I committed them as raster images. The problem we used to have was half pixeling. This is hugely obvious on note stems, which want to be one straight line. If we stored the icons as SVG and left it up to Qt to rasterize them, they looked awful. That's why I manually diddled thousands upon thousands of pixels. In the age of 4K, now we're looking at an entirely different set of problems. I don't have a 4K monitor yet, but I do have a 4K TV, and the writing is on the wall. This is going to be one of those things where if we don't fix it, Rosegarden is going to fade into history. I understand there are workarounds right now, but they probably look like crap. I am thinking about this problem with the intent to roll my sleeves back up and do some work on this in the relatively near future. I haven't actually conducted any experiments yet, but I aim to do that sooner, rather than later. I figured I would start by doing a new set of SVG icons, and making sure they look decent on my standard 1920x1080 display. I should get thinking about fonts too. Everything should scale nicely. The technology to do this is there, and we simply don't make use of it yet. -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] 17.12 & 19.06 Studio>Audio-Mixer
On August 8, 2019 4:10:20 PM HST, Ted Felix wrote: >On 8/1/19 7:28 PM, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote: >> When I launch the mixer with no file loaded into RG the channels or >tracks are numbered but these number are very tiny (almost unreadable), > > The size is set in the code in AudioStrip.cpp, line 72. Right now >it's 6 point, and that's pretty tiny alright. > >> and they vanish altogether as soon as a file gets loaded > > The .rg file? That sounds like something is odd in the file. > > What's being displayed is the name of the Instrument which you can >set by selecting the track in the main window and then pressing the >microscopic button to the left of the name in the "Instrument >Parameters" box. If you just want the numbers, 1-16, you can put those > >in there. Though that might look strange in other parts of the UI. >Maybe A1, A2, etc > >> Is this a bug, is it known, any fixes? > > This is working as designed for the most part. > > I suspect that we should probably go ahead and make the audio mixer a >bit bigger to fill some sort of standard minimum monitor size. Then we > >should be able to go with a slightly large point size for all the >controls. > >Ted. I'm planning to move to a 4K laptop. Would it be possible to use SVG fonts/graphics for layout? Or some way to set large font sizes? This whole antique "specify sizes in pixels" thing is getting pretty tedious, even on my present HD (1920x1080) setup. --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] 17.12 & 19.06 Studio>Audio-Mixer
On 8/1/19 7:28 PM, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote: When I launch the mixer with no file loaded into RG the channels or tracks are numbered but these number are very tiny (almost unreadable), The size is set in the code in AudioStrip.cpp, line 72. Right now it's 6 point, and that's pretty tiny alright. and they vanish altogether as soon as a file gets loaded The .rg file? That sounds like something is odd in the file. What's being displayed is the name of the Instrument which you can set by selecting the track in the main window and then pressing the microscopic button to the left of the name in the "Instrument Parameters" box. If you just want the numbers, 1-16, you can put those in there. Though that might look strange in other parts of the UI. Maybe A1, A2, etc Is this a bug, is it known, any fixes? This is working as designed for the most part. I suspect that we should probably go ahead and make the audio mixer a bit bigger to fill some sort of standard minimum monitor size. Then we should be able to go with a slightly large point size for all the controls. Ted. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] 17.12 & 19.06 Studio>Audio-Mixer
> -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 19:28:11 -0400 > From: krsg...@trixtar.org > To: rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: [Rosegarden-user] 17.12 & 19.06 Studio>Audio-Mixer > Message-ID: <20190801192811.7c831c8d5ac500cf8aecf...@trixtar.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > When I launch the mixer with no file loaded into RG the channels or tracks > are numbered but these number are very tiny (almost unreadable), and they > vanish altogether as soon as a file gets loaded > > Suse Tumbleweed/Leap-15.1, 1920x1200 resolution > > Is this a bug, is it known, any fixes? > -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 12:15:15 +0200 > From: Lorenzo Sutton > To: rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Rosegarden-user] 17.12 & 19.06 Studio>Audio-Mixer > Message-ID: <7e6deeb1-c5e8-0909-fb34-3af634ece...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Hi krsgrdn, > > On 02/08/19 01:28, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote: > > > > Hi, I'm new to this list (again) > > > > When I launch the mixer with no file loaded into RG the channels or tracks > > are numbered but these number are very tiny (almost unreadable), and they > > vanish altogether as soon as a file gets loaded > > > > Suse Tumbleweed/Leap-15.1, 1920x1200 resolution > > For a higher resolution screen you might look into higher DPI settings > for QT which Rosegarden is using. I'm not sure what Desktop Environment > your distribution is using. In my case (I am using XFCE) changing DPI > for X as described in the Arch Wiki [1][2] : essentially QT applications > pick-up the settings and you should get everything bigger and more > combfortable for the eyes. > > Hope this helps. > Lorenzo. > > [1] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/HiDPI#X_Server > [2] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg#Display_size_and_DPI I use a laptop (daytime 1920x1080, Suse-Leap-15.1) and a desktop (evening 1920x1200, Suse Tumbleweed), both must use the proprietary nvidia driver or google-earth won't work. I should have included that I use kde5 or splashma5 (don't know what the difference is). On the laptop I just did xdpyinfo | grep -B 2 resolution screen #0: dimensions:1920x1080 pixels (381x211 millimeters) resolution:128x130 dots per inch There is a GTK (gnome) font-setting in KDE (Appearance>App-Style>Gnome) but this has no effect on Rosegarden, it does on Sylpheed, my mailer. Nor does it have any effect on Nedit menubar fonts, the other problematic app. editing into the end of /etc/X11/Xresources: nedit*fontList: -adobe-helvetica-bold-r-normal--20-*-*-*-*-*-* USED to fix Nedit but no longer does. All the other fonts in Rosegarden are OK as per the KDE font settings, like window title fontsize, etc. I can also boot XFCE on my Suse intalls so I did. There I can adjust fonts size and/or DPI, no changes observed. Finally at the bottom of ~/.config/Trolltech.conf there is: [qt] ... font="Adobe Helvetica,14,-1,5,75,0,0,0,0,0,Bold" changing this to font="Adobe Helvetica,34,-1,5,75,0,0,0,0,0,Bold" has no effect but it gets overwritten to 14 again on reboot or on relaunch of KDE I'm no guru and am at wit's end (after like 3 hours) ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] 17.12 & 19.06 Studio>Audio-Mixer
Hi krsgrdn, On 02/08/19 01:28, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote: Hi, I'm new to this list (again) When I launch the mixer with no file loaded into RG the channels or tracks are numbered but these number are very tiny (almost unreadable), and they vanish altogether as soon as a file gets loaded Suse Tumbleweed/Leap-15.1, 1920x1200 resolution For a higher resolution screen you might look into higher DPI settings for QT which Rosegarden is using. I'm not sure what Desktop Environment your distribution is using. In my case (I am using XFCE) changing DPI for X as described in the Arch Wiki [1][2] : essentially QT applications pick-up the settings and you should get everything bigger and more combfortable for the eyes. Hope this helps. Lorenzo. [1] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/HiDPI#X_Server [2] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg#Display_size_and_DPI Is this a bug, is it known, any fixes? Thanks ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
[Rosegarden-user] 17.12 & 19.06 Studio>Audio-Mixer
Hi, I'm new to this list (again) When I launch the mixer with no file loaded into RG the channels or tracks are numbered but these number are very tiny (almost unreadable), and they vanish altogether as soon as a file gets loaded Suse Tumbleweed/Leap-15.1, 1920x1200 resolution Is this a bug, is it known, any fixes? Thanks ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
