Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future
On Thu, 10 May 2012, Chris Cannam wrote: On 10 May 2012 12:38, Richard Bown richard.b...@ferventsoftware.com wrote: On one point - who hosts the RG website currently and any chance making this editable with some non stone-age tools and for multiple users? I host it. It gets updated automatically from the Subversion repo. (https://rosegarden.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/rosegarden/website) So can I add a song and some text/images there or would it be better to setup an own page and link there? -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future
On Wednesday, May 09, 2012, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: ...It's a prettier example of the same sort of breed as that car. After a bit more reflection, it occurs to me the real problem is not the eclectic design, but that every neat little gizmo bolted onto this thing was manufactured by a different company. We've got imperial and metric measurements, different voltage standards, three-phase motors that have to be fed with a rotary converter, etc. All the parts were made to different standards, and most of the manufacturers are long since out of business, so if you call the number stamped on the part to ask someone a question, you're going to get a disconnected message, and then you're going to have to figure it out for yourself, or build a new part from scratch. I usually get stuck doing the latter myself, because I'm just no good at getting into other people's heads. I guess this problem affects all software development, but I wouldn't know that, because I'm not a professional by any means. I guess Rosegarden is my rude awakening to all the jubilation and glee I missed out on by being a liberal arts major. No great loss. Software is a pain in the ass. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future
liberal arts major. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu1VhsNOwPU No great loss. Software is a pain in the ass. It is. And any professional software of this size and complexity would be equally gnarly. It's just the way it is and we all learn to accept this eventually because for some of us it enables us to earn money. I no longer complain how shit software is because I know it's keeping me employed. On that score you could very easily get a job as a software developer if you do wished! Right - I'm going to crawl through this weeks conversations on rg-devel and rg-user and see if I can put some names next to things to do. Or at least get a feel for level of support for future directions. On one point - who hosts the RG website currently and any chance making this editable with some non stone-age tools and for multiple users? R -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future
On 10 May 2012 12:38, Richard Bown richard.b...@ferventsoftware.com wrote: On one point - who hosts the RG website currently and any chance making this editable with some non stone-age tools and for multiple users? I host it. It gets updated automatically from the Subversion repo. (https://rosegarden.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/rosegarden/website) I don't disagree in principle that the site could usefully be shinier and easier to edit -- it does date from 2004 after all. But don't forget that overhauling websites (regardless of tools) is a time sink almost comparable to developing software, especially since everyone always has an opinion... Chris -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future
I guess this problem affects all software development, but I wouldn't know that, because I'm not a professional by any means. I guess Rosegarden is my rude awakening to all the jubilation and glee I missed out on by being a liberal arts major. No great loss. Software is a pain in the ass. -- D. Michael McIntyre I guess people like me are part of the problem in this regard, turn up one day, chuck something in to do with linked segments and then f. off into the sunset. Fly-by-night, here today and gone tomorrow contributors :-( While dusting off my jack-midi code I noticed I was also halfway through implementing a scheme for copy/pasting linked segments more flexibly, but I got scared of committing it for fear of bringing the whole pack-o-cards down around my ears. If it's any consolation (which I'm sure it isn't), I'm currently making my living from code development, and the codes I work on which pay my wages are much much MUCH worse than Rosegarden under the hood. Doing it for a living though you do at least get the pleasant face-to-face company of your fellow developers to share a laugh with at tea break time. That helps A LOT. I guess one possible way to ameliorate the bejeesus, this codebase is an unmaintainable spaghetti! problem is automated testing. Given that RG is command driven it might be possible to put a command serialisation scheme in place to generate a sort of composition building script (basically a dump of the command stack). Sarcasm Merely requires a pure virtual serialise() function in the Command class, and the appropriate implementation in all 150,000 commands currently in RG /Sarcasm. Then if you do some work and the tests still pass, you can't have done too much wrong, even if you don't understand every other part of the code, you just know you haven't broken it too badly. Which part of the whole RG workflow is being the most unstable atm? Composition creation/editing? Recording/playback? Ian. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future
[cc -devel] On 10 May 2012 13:41, Ian Gardner ilgard...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I guess people like me are part of the problem in this regard, turn up one day, chuck something in to do with linked segments and then f. off into the sunset. Fly-by-night, here today and gone tomorrow contributors :-( Well, you could say anyone who ever wrote any of the code is part of the problem by now! I know I am. I guess one possible way to ameliorate the bejeesus, this codebase is an unmaintainable spaghetti! problem is automated testing. Well, as you know, the difficulty with automated unit testing is the sheer effort involved in writing tests (after the fact) that cover more than a tiny percentage of possible cases. [On another project I'm currently in the middle of porting some existing unit tests to a different test framework (without changing their content) just to sit better with the rest of the code. I can't believe how much work it is -- I never really noticed the initial effort of writing the tests for that code because I did it at the same time as writing the code under test, but when you look at it afterwards there's a heck of a lot of it and I simply can't imagine doing it all at once after the fact, even if it didn't actually take any real thought.] I do like the suggestion of using slightly higher-level test cases with synthetic series of commands though (given serialisable command classes). Apart from anything else, then you could supplement human-designed tests with pseudo-random command sequences or fuzz tests, which would give quite a good tradeoff of effort against effectiveness. Chris -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future
Ok so a quick trawl of emails turned up some names perhaps that could contribute to new website/direction/developments. Just to say that this is just a quick scan and I may have missed out some people who are big current contributors. This is just to get the ball rolling so apologies in advance if your name is here in error or not here and you want it here. Songwriters Will J Godfrey Holger Marzen Neil Bryan User/Supporter Perhaps the above could contribute links/music/videos etc? Current Core Dev Michael Tom Breton Daren Beattie Ian Gardner A plan for the future Dev direction if any. Having no plan is also fine. Devs or Interested in Ports Ian Gardner Mac Port David Tisdell Mac Port potentially? Richard Windows Port. Maybe some ideas of timescales if these are real possibilities? Website Brett McCoy Michael Chris? Richard Some idea of what to do with it and how to go forward. Thoughts? R-- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future
Richard Bown wrote: Ok so a quick trawl of emails turned up some names perhaps that could contribute to new website/direction/developments. Just to say that this is just a quick scan and I may have missed out some people who are big current contributors. This is just to get the ball rolling so apologies in advance if your name is here in error or not here and you want it here. Songwriters Will J Godfrey Holger Marzen Neil Bryan User/Supporter Perhaps the above could contribute links/music/videos etc? Current Core Dev Michael Tom Breton Daren Beattie Ian Gardner A plan for the future Dev direction if any. Having no plan is also fine. Devs or Interested in Ports Ian Gardner Mac Port David Tisdell Mac Port potentially? Richard Windows Port. Maybe some ideas of timescales if these are real possibilities? Website Brett McCoy Michael Chris? Richard Some idea of what to do with it and how to go forward. Thoughts? Yes, I have some thoughts! To briefly introduce myself so I don't look like an intruder, I have been a on-off Rosegarden User for many years (and still am when I find time for making music) and my tiny contributions so far for RG have been two instrument definition files (Korg 05R/W and Yamaha RM50), a RG 1.7.3 Package for Mandriva 3 years ago and now a RG package for RHEL 6 and clones. I'm not a programmer so can't help on that side (I'm a sysadmin professionally). To get back on subject, I think RG needs to be more visible in the Linux world to attract new users and even more importantly make sure that packagers of all major Linux distros are aware of new releases, so that the latest version swiftly ends up in the repos of current distros. Without this crucial task most users will never be able to use RG as very few users are experienced enough to build from source themselves! Like I mentioned in another post I have taken the liberty to post the 12.04 release announcement to Lxer.com and linuxtoday.com. IMHO this should be standard practice at every new release as it keeps RG in the news (at least occasionally) and it might alert packagers that there is a new version out. But since it's far from certain that all or even most packagers read these Linux newssites, it would maybe be useful to set up a rosegarden-announce mailing list just for new release announcements and then contact packagers of linux distros that have packaged up previous versions of RG encouraging them to subscribe to that list so that they stay informed about new releases. Regards, Andy -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Holger Marzen hol...@marzen.de wrote: On Thu, 10 May 2012, Richard Bown wrote: Ok so a quick trawl of emails turned up some names perhaps that could contribute to new website/direction/developments. Just to say that this is just a quick scan and I may have missed out some people who are big current contributors. This is just to get the ball rolling so apologies in advance if your name is here in error or not here and you want it here. Songwriters Will J Godfrey Holger Marzen Neil Bryan User/Supporter Perhaps the above could contribute links/music/videos etc? Yep. Songs to be downloaded. And maybe hints and some technical notes how the songs were made. Maybe screenshots. I can definitely contribute under this area also. Every piece of music I have online (and it's quite a bit) was done with Rosegarden and Ardour. -- Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.brettwmccoy.com In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, it would overturn the world. -- Jelaleddin Rumi -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future
I can try and recruit some Mac developers but I am not a developer myself. I know how to compile things but not write code. I could also contribute something in the songwriting area. Another thought is that Debian used to post a list of consultants (probably still does) where people could go for learning or support. Perhaps Rosegarden could add that to the web site. I could easily do trainings in the New England/New York area. If we had a list of people who were willing and able to present on the software, we could expand the user base which should attract some new developers. Dave On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Brett McCoy idragos...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Holger Marzen hol...@marzen.de wrote: On Thu, 10 May 2012, Richard Bown wrote: Ok so a quick trawl of emails turned up some names perhaps that could contribute to new website/direction/developments. Just to say that this is just a quick scan and I may have missed out some people who are big current contributors. This is just to get the ball rolling so apologies in advance if your name is here in error or not here and you want it here. Songwriters Will J Godfrey Holger Marzen Neil Bryan User/Supporter Perhaps the above could contribute links/music/videos etc? Current Core Dev Michael Tom Breton Daren Beattie Ian Gardner A plan for the future Dev direction if any. Having no plan is also fine. Devs or Interested in Ports Ian Gardner Mac Port David Tisdell Mac Port potentially? Richard Windows Port. Maybe some ideas of timescales if these are real possibilities? Ok so a quick trawl of emails turned up some names perhaps that could contribute to new website/direction/developments. Just to say that this is just a quick scan and I may have missed out some people who are big current contributors. This is just to get the ball rolling so apologies in advance if your name is here in error or not here and you want it here. Songwriters Will J Godfrey Holger Marzen Neil Bryan User/Supporter Perhaps the above could contribute links/music/videos etc? Yep. Songs to be downloaded. And maybe hints and some technical notes how the songs were made. Maybe screenshots. I can definitely contribute under this area also. Every piece of music I have online (and it's quite a bit) was done with Rosegarden and Ardour. -- Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.brettwmccoy.com In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, it would overturn the world. -- Jelaleddin Rumi -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future
On Wed, 9 May 2012 07:20:25 +0200 (CEST) Holger Marzen hol...@marzen.de wrote: On Tue, 8 May 2012, Abrolag wrote: On the promotional side... For what it's worth, absolutely every track on my website - and there are one or two there :) - was developed and performed using Rosegarden. This includes controlling both hardware and soft synths, hydrogen drum machine and embedded audio. As a 50 years old man I started again making music after 25 years of being busy with other things. Its now a few weeks since I noticed Rosegarden, and I liked it from the first moment on. To get rid of big latencies and jitter I used fluidsynth as a plugin. This is the only synth I used in the song Die Nacht am Meer, even for the drums. My wife was so happy with the results that she placed the song on her blog: http://sally13.de/blog/?p=2935 (http://sally13.de/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/die_nacht_am_meer.mp3) Of course she placed a Rosegarden-Link as well there. I am very, very happy that development goes on. Unfortunately I cannot install all the neccessary header files on my Ubuntu 11.10 to compile the most recent version of Rosegarden because of dependency conflicts. I guess on this Ubuntu there's still a little mess when you have 64 and 32 bit software mixed However, Rosegarden is my favourite tool. Regards Holger Enjoyed this. Very nice vocal harmonies. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future
On Thu, 10 May 2012 17:18:11 +0200 Richard Bown richard.b...@ferventsoftware.com wrote: Ok so a quick trawl of emails turned up some names perhaps that could contribute to new website/direction/developments. Just to say that this is just a quick scan and I may have missed out some people who are big current contributors. This is just to get the ball rolling so apologies in advance if your name is here in error or not here and you want it here. Songwriters Will J Godfrey Holger Marzen Neil Bryan User/Supporter Perhaps the above could contribute links/music/videos etc? Just checked, and there still is a link to my homepage from Rosegarden's 'Community' page :) -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future
On 05/10/2012 05:46 AM, Andy wrote: Richard Bown wrote: Ok so a quick trawl of emails turned up some names perhaps that could contribute to new website/direction/developments. Just to say that this is just a quick scan and I may have missed out some people who are big current contributors. This is just to get the ball rolling so apologies in advance if your name is here in error or not here and you want it here. Songwriters Will J Godfrey Holger Marzen Neil Bryan User/Supporter Perhaps the above could contribute links/music/videos etc? Current Core Dev Michael Tom Breton Daren Beattie Ian Gardner A plan for the future Dev direction if any. Having no plan is also fine. Devs or Interested in Ports Ian Gardner Mac Port David Tisdell Mac Port potentially? Richard Windows Port. Maybe some ideas of timescales if these are real possibilities? Website Brett McCoy Michael Chris? Richard Some idea of what to do with it and how to go forward. Thoughts? Yes, I have some thoughts! To briefly introduce myself so I don't look like an intruder, I have been a on-off Rosegarden User for many years (and still am when I find time for making music) and my tiny contributions so far for RG have been two instrument definition files (Korg 05R/W and Yamaha RM50), a RG 1.7.3 Package for Mandriva 3 years ago and now a RG package for RHEL 6 and clones. I'm not a programmer so can't help on that side (I'm a sysadmin professionally). To get back on subject, I think RG needs to be more visible in the Linux world to attract new users and even more importantly make sure that packagers of all major Linux distros are aware of new releases, so that the latest version swiftly ends up in the repos of current distros. Without this crucial task most users will never be able to use RG as very few users are experienced enough to build from source themselves! Like I mentioned in another post I have taken the liberty to post the 12.04 release announcement to Lxer.com and linuxtoday.com. IMHO this should be standard practice at every new release as it keeps RG in the news (at least occasionally) and it might alert packagers that there is a new version out. But since it's far from certain that all or even most packagers read these Linux newssites, it would maybe be useful to set up a rosegarden-announce mailing list just for new release announcements and then contact packagers of linux distros that have packaged up previous versions of RG encouraging them to subscribe to that list so that they stay informed about new releases. Announcements on linux-audio-announcements? During an email chat with one of the KDE4 developers a few years ago, I mentioned that Rosegarden 10 was coming out. He said that was great news, that RG was one of our major audio applications. So not just musicians think so! -- David gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://clanjones.org/david/ http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/ -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future
Actually, this David was only semi-joking about the matrix editor. I look at pieces of programs as resource costs. Resources spent on the matrix editor are not available for use on what I consider more important parts of the program. For what it's worth, I've have liked matrix editors for music. It's like trying to read a player piano score: useless to anything except machines. (Like writing a score in Lilypond using a text editor.) But RG is very flexible and I enjoy that. On 05/07/2012 02:36 PM, David Tisdell wrote: When I am writing, I almost always begin with the notation editor. Vitally important tool. One of the things I like about RG is that it adapts well whatever your approach to composition. Dave On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 8:07 PM, PMA wrote: Abrolag wrote: On Mon, 07 May 2012 18:08:43 -0400 PMApeterarmstr...@aya.yale.edu mailto:peterarmstr...@aya.yale.edu wrote: david wrote: ... I think RG could profitably get rid of the matrix editor. ;-) For the record just in case, that would end my interest in RG. methinks david was having his little joke ;-) i saw the ;-) but didn't get it. sorry, naive me. -- David gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://clanjones.org/david/ http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/ -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future
Yes, but for the windows port so far audio isn't in scope. And if it was I probably wouldn't do it with JACK I have to say. Purely because I've got bored of fancy APIs for stuff and different models you're forced to adopt to use them, ALSA and JACK did it for me. Midi with Rtmidi and ? for audio. Maybe portaudio. Cross that bridge as and when. And if. Agree that website and docs and tutorials require a refresh. IMHO would be nice to have a clean, modern, fresh approach to website and shift the black /italics. But yes, we've been here before.. On 8 May 2012, at 17:31, David Tisdell david.tisd...@gmail.com wrote: I agree on the More bang for the buck on a Windows port but JACK already runs on OS X as do some JACK aware apps. Percentage of the user base wise, the Mac has historically more people creating content (Don't know if that is true today) and it is fully POSIX compliant whereas Windows is not. It may be easier to get a full port over to the Mac. Not being a coder, I can't say for sure but the Ardour people ran into a significant road block on Windows because it wasn't fully POSIX compliant. On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Brett McCoy idragos...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:02 AM, David Tisdell david.tisd...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps as a starting point we could shake the tree for developers on Linux audio user lists, wikis, etc. since Linux is the platform of origin. The core work should begin here and ports created as new features are worked out. As a member of the Rosegarden community, I would be happy to do that but I would like some guidance from people like Michael who are working on the project as to what should be said and who and how to contact to get more involved. I don't have the time to help with C++ development (and I definitely can't help with Windows porting), but I can certainly help with maintaining the website or Wiki pages and documentation. For instance, we need to better showcase some of the music being composed on Rosegarden (allow me to toot my horn here, but I recently completed a 2 year study of Orchestration via Berklee and used Rosegarden for every single one of my projects). Maybe some video tutorials would help also (I'd definitely be up for making some of those). Pushing stuff out to Windows and OS X would help exposure also. Graphics apps like GIMP, MyPaint and Krita have gotten a lot of adoption from those worlds as alternatives to expensive commercial apps, and there is definitely room for something like Rosegarden there, too, especially since it offers notation, whereas apps like Reaper and Reason don't, and have MIDI Audio capabilties way beyond what Finale or Sibelius provide. -- Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.brettwmccoy.com In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, it would overturn the world. -- Jelaleddin Rumi -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future
The attempt at a Mac port was done before the codebase had been moved to qt. It was installed through fink. I exchanged email with the person who had tried it and he had run into significant problems because of KDE dependencies and he gave up. Nice to hear about the commercial version of Ardour that runs on Windows. That gives lots of hope for doing the same with Rosegarden; especially since Richard is focusing on the MIDI components first. Dave On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Richard Bown richard.b...@ferventsoftware.com wrote: Yes, but for the windows port so far audio isn't in scope. And if it was I probably wouldn't do it with JACK I have to say. Purely because I've got bored of fancy APIs for stuff and different models you're forced to adopt to use them, ALSA and JACK did it for me. Midi with Rtmidi and ? for audio. Maybe portaudio. Cross that bridge as and when. And if. Agree that website and docs and tutorials require a refresh. IMHO would be nice to have a clean, modern, fresh approach to website and shift the black /italics. But yes, we've been here before.. On 8 May 2012, at 17:31, David Tisdell david.tisd...@gmail.com wrote: I agree on the More bang for the buck on a Windows port but JACK already runs on OS X as do some JACK aware apps. Percentage of the user base wise, the Mac has historically more people creating content (Don't know if that is true today) and it is fully POSIX compliant whereas Windows is not. It may be easier to get a full port over to the Mac. Not being a coder, I can't say for sure but the Ardour people ran into a significant road block on Windows because it wasn't fully POSIX compliant. On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Brett McCoy idragos...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:02 AM, David Tisdell david.tisd...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps as a starting point we could shake the tree for developers on Linux audio user lists, wikis, etc. since Linux is the platform of origin. The core work should begin here and ports created as new features are worked out. As a member of the Rosegarden community, I would be happy to do that but I would like some guidance from people like Michael who are working on the project as to what should be said and who and how to contact to get more involved. I don't have the time to help with C++ development (and I definitely can't help with Windows porting), but I can certainly help with maintaining the website or Wiki pages and documentation. For instance, we need to better showcase some of the music being composed on Rosegarden (allow me to toot my horn here, but I recently completed a 2 year study of Orchestration via Berklee and used Rosegarden for every single one of my projects). Maybe some video tutorials would help also (I'd definitely be up for making some of those). Pushing stuff out to Windows and OS X would help exposure also. Graphics apps like GIMP, MyPaint and Krita have gotten a lot of adoption from those worlds as alternatives to expensive commercial apps, and there is definitely room for something like Rosegarden there, too, especially since it offers notation, whereas apps like Reaper and Reason don't, and have MIDI Audio capabilties way beyond what Finale or Sibelius provide. -- Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.brettwmccoy.com In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, it would overturn the world. -- Jelaleddin Rumi -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future
D. Michael McIntyre wrote: On Tuesday, May 08, 2012, PMA wrote: Waay too hard on yourself. You need a (free) weekend in Acapulco! There is real truth in that. I've literally never taken a proper go somewhere and see something sort of vacation since the last one I took with my family as a kid. That was 1987. Well, your constitution must be incredible. After that, I'd have been in a Happy Farm long since! -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future
Hello everyone! That's a lot that does not speak in this ml-list! I also have something to say on the future of rosegarden. I really like rosegarden. But I'm a maniac lilypond, mainly by Frescobaldi, because exploitation of power by lilypond rosegarden is, forgive me, ridiculous and depressing: 1) the management of the position of breaks does not exist and creates file.pdf terrible. 2) is also not possible to setup the page layout. My use of rosegarden boils down to this: 1) Rapid re-edit of file.midi frescobaldi created for a quick check of the sound changes. I repeat: I really like rosegarden, but I also think that a better integration of lilypond would attract many potential users. Best regards and w rosegarden! -- oiram/bin/selom Da ognuno secondo le proprie capacità ad ognuno secondo i propri bisogni. MIB Frescobaldi Rosegarden -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
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On 8 May 2012 08:23, Richard Bown richard.b...@ferventsoftware.com wrote: I have failed. What absolute self indulgent rubbish. Though a very nicely constructed extended metaphor. I think you're sort-of right that the proper answer ought to be a nice brisk one about how it's just going the way it has to go and if it isn't working out for you, well, those are the breaks. And it's been around this long, people are still enjoying it and developers are doing new things -- what should we do next to build on this? But you and I have had a lot of time off from this project, and I guess both of us did that because we felt a bit like Michael -- as if every little bug fix ended up being an exploratory dive down a stinking rabbit hole and each small new idea was a major project to be written up on a board in marker pen and deliberated over for three months because it would inevitably break half a dozen other things. This isn't a codebase that lends itself well to an enjoyable agile process. I'm with PMA that you're being far too hard on yourself, Michael -- in a project like this you don't need to be in a position where you have an answer for everything. You've been pretty vital to this program's survival so far, but you know, it is only a computer program -- you could walk away tomorrow and just see what happens to it. It'd probably stick around one way or another, and if it didn't, that might be enough to suggest it didn't matter much to enough people in the first place. I'm not suggesting you should necessarily do that, but it might be no bad thing to remember that you can. Chris -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
